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Jacksonville by Neighborhood => The Burbs => Southside => Topic started by: river4340 on May 09, 2018, 09:50:05 PM

Title: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: river4340 on May 09, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
Last of the large Skinner family pieces.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/1-000-acres-near-st-johns-town-center-proposed-for-development
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: TimmyB on May 09, 2018, 10:16:44 PM
Where's the soccer stadium???   ;D  ;D  ;D

Seriously, though, it was going to happen sooner rather than later.  I just hope they a better job planning for traffic movement and pedestrian/cycling activity than the people who thought up the SJTC area.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: thelakelander on May 09, 2018, 10:37:47 PM
The road connection between Kernan, Gate and East Baymeadows will actually help divert some traffic off I-295 and JTB.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: jaxnyc79 on May 10, 2018, 12:09:30 AM
"something a little more urban in a suburban area..."  I wonder what that means.  Could he mean functionally walkable and not as auto-centric?  new urbanism design standards?  Twenty years ago, I seem to recall the same thing being said about St. Johns Town Center. 
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: JaGoaT on May 10, 2018, 01:07:43 AM
"something a little more urban in a suburban area..."  I wonder what that means.  Could he mean functionally walkable and not as auto-centric?  new urbanism design standards?  Twenty years ago, I seem to recall the same thing being said about St. Johns Town Center.
Im thinking they realized their mistake with the town center and are actually going to build something more urban
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Kerry on May 10, 2018, 09:34:39 AM
1000 acres and this is what they come up with?  I don't think they know what "urban" means.  Labeling something Mixed-Use doesn't make it so.  Looking at the site plan all I see are curvilinear suburban stroads and freeway fronting retail.  Thank goodness I moved out of this part of the City.

Wish they would do something like this?

http://glenwoodpark.com
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 10, 2018, 09:40:29 AM
1000 acres and this is what they come up with?  I don't think they know what "urban" means.  Labeling something Mixed-Use doesn't make it so.  Looking at the site plan all I see are curvilinear suburban stroads and freeway fronting retail.  Thank goodness I moved out of this part of the City.
Yeah the road "connecting" Kernan to Gate is going be a real hassle. It looks like the road through residential is faster.  Why not a more gridded street plan to give multiple options and not overload the two main roads?
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Kerry on May 10, 2018, 09:47:22 AM
Don't worry - they will probably put speed bumps on the residential road and post plenty of "Drive like your kids live here" signs because they will design it for 65 mph and then scratch their @$$ trying to figure out why people are speeding.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: CityLife on May 10, 2018, 10:13:19 AM
One of the residential concepts being considered is somewhat of a new urbanist style that is fairly dense by suburban standards in Jax.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Kerry on May 10, 2018, 10:50:52 AM
One of the residential concepts being considered is somewhat of a new urbanist style that is fairly dense by suburban standards in Jax.

They better change their site plan then, otherwise they just have a lot of people living really close to each other with none of the benefits.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: RatTownRyan on May 10, 2018, 04:52:03 PM
Is there a height limit for buildings around the town center area?? Is it possible that an office or residential building could be built to more than 10 stories?
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Kerry on May 10, 2018, 04:59:31 PM
The netting at the Golf place is probably the height of 10 stories.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: jaxnyc79 on May 10, 2018, 05:18:55 PM
Is there a height limit for buildings around the town center area?? Is it possible that an office or residential building could be built to more than 10 stories?

High-rises are not what this part of town needs.  You can have density and walkability without skyscrapers.  Something like this would suit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_examples_of_New_Urbanism#/media/File:Downtown_baldwin_park.JPG

But yes, curvilinear streets are not a foundation for real urbanity and "soft modes of mobility."  Gathering places, pedestrian access, village-style clustering, those would all be nice changes if we must tear up green space.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: thelakelander on May 10, 2018, 05:47:04 PM
Don't worry about highrises. The burbs can't support that type of high cost construction either. My guess is the urban the developer mentions isn't the same type of urban most people think of. You'll likely get the same style of development around Gate, Town Center Parkway and Deerwood Park Blvd with a slightly better street grid and scale at the pedestrian level. However, don't expect historic downtown type density.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: avonjax on May 11, 2018, 06:26:42 AM
I'm a cynic these days. They will blow it.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: ronchamblin on May 13, 2018, 09:19:13 AM
How about a park ... a sort of natural zoo … with minimal trails for the occasional human visitor ... wit perhaps a tower or two for observation?  Or …. How about just letting nature be ... in that 1,000 acres?  There could be nature study areas ... wit the goal of observing specific "stuff".   

Do we need more malls ... concrete, asphalt, cute facades, to offer more entertainment and plastic stuff to satisfy the increasing population of humans too easily satisfied with these disneyesk superficialities?  Why not just buy everything we need from Amazon cause we gotta help JB become the richest man in history.

The quest for riches by a few, at the expense of the survival and reasonable comfort of the many, is partially the result of a culture created by a bimbo brained media.  JB, allowed to run free with the new mechanism of the Internet is destroying the lives of millions, as he avoids taxes, puts millions of traditional small shops out of business, and pays poverty wages in near slavery work conditions.  The dumbed down and clueless legislators, voted into office by our mentally calmed population over recent decades, are incapable of empathy toward the millions suffering as a consequence of the new god of america -- the god of riches and wealth. 

The twin religions -- the worship of riches ... and the worship of gods ... both being absurd and destructive to the human condition ... apparently are destined to work together to perpetuate the suffering of not only humans, but of all the animals and the earth ... the fragile home of all.

What does all this have to do wit the 1000 acres?   
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Lostwave on May 14, 2018, 01:08:00 PM
This is going to be just like Town Center.  Only two ways in or out, both already busting at the seams with traffic.  Now lets just add a ton more traffic.  Its going to be another mess.  Kernan at JTB is already backed up half the day.  Now we want to add another XX residents, retail and office workers.  They really need to add more small roads in/out of developments like this.
Title: Re: 1,000-acre development planned near the Town Center
Post by: Kerry on May 15, 2018, 07:43:56 AM
I'm a cynic these days. They will blow it.

That is just being a realist.