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Title: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on July 25, 2008, 05:00:00 AM
Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan

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There are some things that you just can't compare.  Holding Urban Jacksonville up against Manhattan just doesn't seem fair.  Today, from the top of a double decker tour bus, Metro Jacksonville shares sights from America's premier urban center: New York.

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/849
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: jeh1980 on July 25, 2008, 05:31:18 AM
We can learn a lot from Manhattan. I think that in my opinion, a little bit of New York's Times Square will definately be needed in downtown Jacksonville soon...perhaps on some parts of Bay Street or Laura Street. Good article. Jacksonville, do lose hope. Expand your vision! 8)
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: copperfiend on July 25, 2008, 07:26:31 AM
I have friends and family in Brooklyn and try to make it up there as much as possible. It's great how many historic structures have beens saved in the city. I love the neighborhoods and how each one is self sufficient. It's an amazing place.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: pwhitford on July 25, 2008, 09:59:01 AM
I was born and raised in NYC (in The Bronx, in fact) and didn't leave it until 2003.  I can't tell you how good it feels just seeing these pictures.  I recognize almost every single location and most of them evoke very specific memories for me.  Beautiful job on the pictures.  Thank you. 

Of course, now having said that, it's time to get back to making Jacksonville, especially downtown, the vibrant, desirable destination it should be.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: brooklynborn on July 25, 2008, 11:35:33 AM
hi guys. First off I want to tell u how I enjoy this site. I like to see people who want to see there city grow and become what it should be. im also from nyc(brooklyn) and my wife and we been here for a year and some months. we love the weather but unfortunately we r a little bored,not bashin jax because I have some family here and i had alot of fun when I was young visting but I dont understand the city's downtown fabric. I thought a city's downtown is supposed to be the happening spot and everything is so far away. Im Afraid to bring my cousin and friends( they from brooklyn too so u guys know how that goes)because they r used to doing things all day and all night. There's nuthin wrong with taking elements from the greatest city in the world and adding ur own southern history to it(look at atlanta). love the pics from nyc and keep this up guys it will continue to visit this site. P.S Where do u guys hold ur meeting or do u have meetings?
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: thelakelander on July 25, 2008, 12:06:44 PM
We hold our meetings 6pm, every Tuesday night at the Hola Mexican Restaurant (1001 North Main Street).
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: Jason on July 25, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
Manhattan.... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drooling/drooling-2.gif)

Soon my dream to visit the NYC will come true.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: ProjectMaximus on July 25, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
When was MJ in NYC? I just got back after spending most of this week there.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: thelakelander on July 25, 2008, 12:52:31 PM
Tuesday and Wednesday of last week and Monday of this week.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: brooklynborn on July 25, 2008, 01:17:52 PM
thanks. I will be there.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: brooklynborn on July 25, 2008, 01:22:52 PM
It does really seem unfair to compare jax to nyc.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: pwhitford on July 25, 2008, 01:49:22 PM
The skyline in that first shot (with the cruise liner) still looks weird to me without the WTC.  But it’s nice to see scenes of “normalcy” in the other shots showing the area around the reconstruction effort.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: RiversideGator on July 26, 2008, 01:18:13 AM
Great shots of one of the greatest cities in the world.  Thanks for posting them.  Who took these BTW?

Also, I thought the Russian Tea Room had been closed yet there is some sort of sign for it here:

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Anyone know about this?  I dined there in 2001 and it was great.  I heard it had closed but hopefully it has been revived.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: Ocklawaha on July 26, 2008, 01:55:54 AM
I'm waiting for the "learning from Starke, Palatka, Lulu and Two Egg" segments to start. I figure they're much more important to me then New York City.

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: thelakelander on July 26, 2008, 06:13:11 AM
Great shots of one of the greatest cities in the world.  Thanks for posting them.  Who took these BTW?

I took some last Wednesday and a few more this past Monday.  Its the first of about 15 Northeast cities I spent time in over the last week or so.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: ProjectMaximus on July 26, 2008, 11:29:54 AM
Great shots of one of the greatest cities in the world.  Thanks for posting them.  Who took these BTW?

I took some last Wednesday and a few more this past Monday.  Its the first of about 15 Northeast cities I spent time in over the last week or so.

Well, terrific pics! You must have had a blast with your travels. I hit up DC and Philly (and the aforementioned Manhattan) last week. Lot of nice things in those places as well.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: thelakelander on July 26, 2008, 02:29:24 PM
I had a blast indeed.  I'll have to hit up DC and Philly soon.  There's a lot of good things happening in those places.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: RiversideGator on July 26, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
Great shots of one of the greatest cities in the world.  Thanks for posting them.  Who took these BTW?

I took some last Wednesday and a few more this past Monday.  Its the first of about 15 Northeast cities I spent time in over the last week or so.

Wow.  That sounds like a lot of fun.  I am jealous now, Lake.   ;D
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: winlewis123 on July 29, 2008, 01:55:01 PM
The pics literally almost bought tears to my eyes.  I too am from NY and the pics alone gives me the sense of communities, family and friends.  I love the vibrancy of the state.  I live in Orlando now and am hoping to relocate to Jacksonville as I feel they have a lot of potentials.  However, I must agree that it we don't get some new ideas and younger folks up in Tallahasse to make some sound decisions as well as our local politicians FLORIDA as a whole we cease and Disney will eventually move on.  I truly love this website as it gives great information regarding the city of Jacksonville. Fantastic work to all involved and I look forward to reading and viewing more pics and hopefully sharing in the vision of a VIBRANT JACKSONVILLE...............
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: brooklynborn on August 01, 2008, 02:12:40 PM
I need to understand something here, does jacksonville love parking lots? I mean they are huge here. If u look at nyc everthing is streetfront with a large sidewalk for foot traffic, me and my wife love to walk around back home. U cant do that here. Is there a law here that u cant build storefront propertys here? That creates a walkable city
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: Fishy Books on August 01, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
Why in god's unspoken name would we want our city to be anything like what is in these pics? I think that growth is all well and good as long as it is controlled and purposeful (which Jax has not been). I think the things that we can learn from NYC are few and far between and most of them entail what not to do.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: Lunican on August 02, 2008, 10:04:50 AM
Here's why:

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(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/then_and_now/Adams-at-Davis-Now.jpg)

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/then_and_now/Adams-at-Julia-Now.jpg)

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/then_and_now/Forsyth-Midblock-Now.jpg)
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: jeh1980 on December 10, 2008, 03:34:30 AM
I need to understand something here, does jacksonville love parking lots? I mean they are huge here. If u look at nyc everthing is streetfront with a large sidewalk for foot traffic, me and my wife love to walk around back home. U cant do that here. Is there a law here that u cant build storefront propertys here? That creates a walkable city
Why in god's unspoken name would we want our city to be anything like what is in these pics? I think that growth is all well and good as long as it is controlled and purposeful (which Jax has not been). I think the things that we can learn from NYC are few and far between and most of them entail what not to do.
Here's why:

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(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-4640-p1090989.JPG)

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/then_and_now/Adams-at-Davis-Now.jpg)

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/then_and_now/Adams-at-Julia-Now.jpg)

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/then_and_now/Forsyth-Midblock-Now.jpg)
We all due respect. Jacksonville had every good intention of wanting to make this city a very vibrant city...it is just that we all need to come up with more better ideas than what we're having. I don't think we ever wanted this city to be mediocre or status quo. We had ideas that succeeded and failed just like New York. New York is a great city. Jacksonville is a great city. We will get projects built that will be far more better than the ones that are either dead or indefinately delayed. And I still believe that we can a great walkable city one day. But there's one think I don't understand. What was the purpose of those photos of Jacksonville's empty lots and surface parking lots anyway. I don't like how we comparing us to them with all of that.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: Manhattan
Post by: thelakelander on December 10, 2008, 07:11:08 AM
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  At some point, you have to learn from your mistakes.  Downtown's atmosphere won't improve until we stop making the same mistakes we've been making over the last couple of decades.