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Title: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on December 08, 2016, 08:45:01 AM
4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center

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Over the next year, Town Center Parkway will continue to be a major Southside Jacksonville construction zone. Here's a look at developments currently underway and the mixed-use tenants they'll be bringing with them.

Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-dec-4-projects-changing-the-face-of-st-johns-town-center
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on December 08, 2016, 09:07:56 AM
Town Center has really changed the face of the SS, its almost like another city in that area. I tend to avoid that area though b/c of the traffic/construction
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: Snufflee on December 08, 2016, 09:31:40 AM
Town Center has really changed the face of the SS, its almost like another city in that area. I tend to avoid that area though b/c of the traffic/construction

My Question especially as someone not well versed on urban sprawl and development is; is this healthy for the city of Jacksonville to be this fragmented?
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: KenFSU on December 08, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
Town Center has really changed the face of the SS, its almost like another city in that area. I tend to avoid that area though b/c of the traffic/construction

My Question especially as someone not well versed on urban sprawl and development is; is this healthy for the city of Jacksonville to be this fragmented?

People can speak to other aspects, but socioeconomically, it's crushing. Particularly in the absence of reliable mass transportation. Any time you have a job center this big that isn't easily accessible to the working poor, you can't have a truly healthy city. It's one of the bigger failure of our BRT plans, in my opinion. All of the new development at the Town Center will create thousands of low-skilled jobs that our poorest neighborhoods will be largely cut off from, lest they endure four-to-five hour round-trip bus rides (longer on Saturday), including dangerous walks through the elements. I honestly don't think that people give a tenth as much attention to transit as they should in terms of economic mobility and providing opportunity for the working poor to better their situations. 
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: acme54321 on December 08, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
It's a zoo out there on the weekends as it is right now!  I can't imagine what that area is going to be like after all of this is open.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: jaxjaguar on December 08, 2016, 11:39:56 AM
I'd imagine it'll turn out similar to the millennia area in Orlando. A massive sprawl of high end shops that isn't easily navigated and always overcrowded.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: TimmyB on December 08, 2016, 11:54:36 AM
It's a zoo out there on the weekends as it is right now!  I can't imagine what that area is going to be like after all of this is open.

Could not agree more.  We are moving to JAX next fall and we LOVE the SJTC area, but the thought of living around all of that traffic, which is going to get exponentially worse, is enough to make me shudder.  As KenFSU was saying above, IF it had a mass-transit system that could get people in and out of there efficiently, it would be great, but without that, it is a bunch of parking lots, connected by more parking lots which are masquerading as roads!
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: pierre on December 08, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
I'd imagine it'll turn out similar to the millennia area in Orlando. A massive sprawl of high end shops that isn't easily navigated and always overcrowded.

At this point, it's almost worse than the Millenia area. At least with Millenia there are three ways in and out of there.

The Gate Pkwy/Town Center intersection is a disaster now. I cannot imagine what it will be like after this.

And there does not appear to be any plan to improve traffic coming off of JTB to Gate Pkwy from either direction.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: brainstormer on December 10, 2016, 11:34:36 AM
All of these developments have absolutely horrible designs and Town Center Parkway is going to be just another San Jose Blvd, Atlantic Blvd, Blanding Blvd, etc. Massive congestion, lots of rear-end accidents, small building after small building surrounded by tons and tons of asphalt. Ugly, dysfunctional, unsafe for pedestrians. They are built to encourage driving from one shop/restaurant to the next which results in even more congestion. When designed in this way, customers arrive with the assumption that they should be able to park right in front of the establishment they are visiting, so they drive around waiting for that perfect parking spot. Parking lots become a random sea of cars and pedestrians because none of the stores are safely connected to each other.

Think about when you visit Disney Springs. You drive there planning to park in a massive ramp and then walk to all of the restaurants/stores you want to go to. No one assumes they have the right to park right in front of their restaurant. It is designed in a way that encourages exercise, is aesthetically pleasing, and provides safety for pedestrians.

I loved the original town center concept but the surrounding development has completely destroyed that concept. I avoid the area now as much as possible.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: jaxjaguar on December 10, 2016, 12:46:51 PM
I agree. The original strip of the Town Center was reall promising. I held out hope for a while that they would connect it to the two other strips where REI and Best Buy are. But sadly they quickly gave up on that design.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: thelakelander on December 10, 2016, 05:20:39 PM
^Connecting those centers was never proposed. The town center was always envisioned to be a mall without a roof. The development pattern around it will be pretty similar to that of most regional shopping centers built over the last 30 years.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: BenderRodriguez on December 11, 2016, 10:26:26 AM
From what I understand, SJTC served as one of the early prototype of the outdoor mall design by Simon Malls. Which would contribute to the "compact" design of the actual strip section (phase 1-3). The rest of the area is surrounded by the old outlet and asphalt sea that we all know and love so much. We can pretty much count out any further innovation of the area. That includes any future modes of alternate transportation.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 13, 2018, 10:08:29 AM
I feel completely lost.  Yesterday I went to the town center for the first time in probably 6 months and I didn't even recognize the place.  So many new places that I don't know what to make of it all.  Chuey's, Mission BBQ, 2nd and Charles.... YOGURT MOUNTAIN! WTF is that?  Where is Glenn to guide me through all of this and tell me what the new hot spots are?  Glenn, where are you!?
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: billy on April 13, 2018, 11:01:39 AM
+1 regarding Glenn
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: Tacachale on April 13, 2018, 11:06:37 AM
He showed up briefly here:

https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,34626.0.html
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: ErikSetzer on July 06, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Oh, man, 2nd and Charles is my new crack...  I moved to that area last September (Sail Cove condos), and that place is amazing to wander through.  But only when I have money.  My DVD collection has grown a lot (I love finding good unopened movies for $2, or even an unopened copy of the original X-Men trilogy for just $10), and I've been able to get some books, comics, and other assorted stuff there.  It's a great place to just go and check out all of the stock and see what interesting stuff has come in since the last time you were in.

Personally, I've felt okay with the additions so far.  They did improve the intersection at Gate Parkway and Town Center Parkway, so that helps.  I like being able to just walk over to 2nd & Charles, Hobby Lobby, Best Buy, Barnes & Noble, GameStop, all those restaurants and other stores (and soon an ABC, when they build it... Total Wine's got a good selection, but is the opposite end of the center).  Yeah, the traffic's messy, but I ride public transit, and luckily there's a bus line that goes from where I live to about a block from the building I work in, and I try to head home a little early, but if I do get stuck in it, I can just read or watch videos.

Not sure how Town Center Parkway will fare once they've got the new apartments (and hotel) opened up.  Guess we'll see.
Title: Re: 4 projects changing the face of St Johns Town Center
Post by: Kerry on July 06, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
2nd and Charles is pretty good.  Just watch out for some of the book prices as I found the Barnes and Noble down the street to have better prices on a lot of what I read.