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Title: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on September 19, 2016, 04:00:02 AM
3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville

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Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: BakeryRibault5PTS on September 19, 2016, 08:45:07 AM
Southern Grounds in Neptune Beach, NOT Southern Toots.

Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: TheCat on September 20, 2016, 03:21:49 PM
Thanks for the catch!
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on February 22, 2018, 11:07:15 AM
Pura Bean is expanding into Riverside, where Yummy Crepes used to be.

Nice people, good coffee.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/pura-bean-coffee-co-expanding-into-riverside
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: riverside_mail on February 25, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
Any recent news on the coffee shop on Oak St. or is that project DOA?
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: JPalmer on February 26, 2018, 01:45:22 PM
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Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on February 28, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
Thank God those heroic San Marco residents were brave enough to block outside seating at Bold Bean.

SOMEONE HAS TO THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/planning-commission-denies-arlington-liquor-store

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Bold Bean withdraws

Bold Bean Retailers Inc. withdrew its application for a zoning exception that was approved by the commission in September 2017.

Bold Bean sought outside sales and service at its coffee shop at 1905 Hendricks Ave., but withdrew the application after a pair of appeals was introduced to council to overturn the exception decision from the planning commission. Neighbors cited parking concerns.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Spitfire on March 12, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
Thank God those heroic San Marco residents were brave enough to block outside seating at Bold Bean.

SOMEONE HAS TO THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/planning-commission-denies-arlington-liquor-store

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Bold Bean withdraws

Bold Bean Retailers Inc. withdrew its application for a zoning exception that was approved by the commission in September 2017.

Bold Bean sought outside sales and service at its coffee shop at 1905 Hendricks Ave., but withdrew the application after a pair of appeals was introduced to council to overturn the exception decision from the planning commission. Neighbors cited parking concerns.

I've been pretty disgusted anytime I've gone to Bold Bean or Good Dough and I see the signs from the neighboring businesses that say "Help Good Dough be a good neighbor and don't park here." You would think their neighbors would be happy to see traffic come into the neighborhood. Seeing signs like those makes me less likely to frequent any of the neighboring businesses.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: JBTripper on March 12, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
I know for a fact that the "parking" issue with Bold Bean was 100 percent related to their sale of alcohol. They had a handshake agreement with Southside Baptist Church to use their parking lot until they wanted to serve beer outside. When that happened, suddenly parking became an issue. Those two tables outside pushed them right over the parking limit... they weren't a problem when you couldn't take your beer out there, of course.  ::)

It's strange that nobody has raised any question about where the patrons and staff of Industry West will park. It seemed like it was a pretty big deal when Flying Iguana wanted to move into that space.  :o

Hey, I guess we shouldn't complain too much. If it was another local Baptist group we might not even have The Loop.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on March 12, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Can someone explain to me where the moral objection from churches in Jacksonville to outside beverages comes from?

I'm not even being sarcastic.

Like, why do they take such offense//what are they so afraid is going to happen?
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: dbjax on March 12, 2018, 04:07:38 PM
Can someone explain to me where the moral objection from churches in Jacksonville to outside beverages comes from?

I'm not even being sarcastic.

Like, why do they take such offense//what are they so afraid is going to happen?

I'm not the epitome of understanding different religious philosophies, but this joke from George Carlin seems to sum this up:

There are three religious truths:
I don't believe it's just Jacksonville, but there is an preference by churches not wanting to be located near establishments that sell alcohol. This was evident last year with a lot of breweries opening up and zoning variance requests (Springfield specifically).
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on March 12, 2018, 04:20:31 PM
Can someone explain to me where the moral objection from churches in Jacksonville to outside beverages comes from?

I'm not even being sarcastic.

Like, why do they take such offense//what are they so afraid is going to happen?

I'm not the epitome of understanding different religious philosophies, but this joke from George Carlin seems to sum this up:

There are three religious truths:
  • Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
  • Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith.
  • Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters.
I don't believe it's just Jacksonville, but there is an preference by churches not wanting to be located near establishments that sell alcohol. This was evident last year with a lot of breweries opening up and zoning variance requests (Springfield specifically).

This might be an ignorant question, but is drinking frowned upon by Baptists?

I grew up Catholic, and the booze flowed freely.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Tacachale on March 12, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
Can someone explain to me where the moral objection from churches in Jacksonville to outside beverages comes from?

I'm not even being sarcastic.

Like, why do they take such offense//what are they so afraid is going to happen?

I'm not the epitome of understanding different religious philosophies, but this joke from George Carlin seems to sum this up:

There are three religious truths:
  • Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
  • Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith.
  • Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters.
I don't believe it's just Jacksonville, but there is an preference by churches not wanting to be located near establishments that sell alcohol. This was evident last year with a lot of breweries opening up and zoning variance requests (Springfield specifically).

This might be an ignorant question, but is drinking frowned upon by Baptists?

I grew up Catholic, and the booze flowed freely.

Baptists tend to frown on drinking, more so than many other churches. How much it had to do with the parking dispute between Bold Bean, Southside Baptist, and another nearby business is debatable.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Adam White on March 12, 2018, 05:36:28 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why a coffee shop has to serve beer.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Tacachale on March 12, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why a coffee shop has to serve beer.

Two things off the top of my head: higher margins and appealing to people who don't drink coffee, or don't drink coffee at night.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: DTJAXEYE on March 12, 2018, 05:44:55 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Tacachale on March 12, 2018, 05:51:30 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.

LOL! Because that's definitely the clientele that Bold City and San Marco in general typically attract.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: fieldafm on March 12, 2018, 06:06:44 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.

I've spent three afternoons at Bold Bean San Marco over the last week.  About half of the afternoon/evening crowd were high school kids. I sat next to a woman and her child for the better part of two hours the other day.

The scene you are describing simply does not exist, whatsoever.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: remc86007 on March 12, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.

Have you ever been to Bold Bean or San Marco for that matter? I'm guessing not...

Beyond that, have you ever seen such a thing as you suggest even around the worst bars in the city? Unless the church decides to hold a service at 2AM it's extremely unlikely that people will need to step over drunks or endure "wolf whistles and cat calls."
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: lastdaysoffla on March 12, 2018, 08:41:28 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.

We found the time traveler from Prohibition or the person in charge of buying all the liquor licenses for FBC every year.


There is no easy solution that I can see to this problem. From an infrastructure standpoint San Marco in general has a lack of parking and there are two perfectly functioning crosswalks at either end of the block that Bold Bean is on. Although the one at Hendricks and Atlantic is not exactly safe. The Church's lot may be the biggest surface lot in San Marco immediately surrounding the Square. Bold Bean patrons would never use any where near the capacity of that lot at any given time.

I'm surprised a compromise cannot be reached. A vast majority of the congregation at the Church must be drinkers and they seem to have no problem with people drinking on the deck at Hurricane Wings just another block down.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: JBTripper on March 12, 2018, 10:00:12 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.

This has to be satire.

I'm still trying to figure out why a coffee shop has to serve beer.

And I’m still trying to figure out why a church has to serve grape juice with communion.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on March 12, 2018, 10:05:20 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why a coffee shop has to serve beer.

Two things off the top of my head: higher margins and appealing to people who don't drink coffee, or don't drink coffee at night.

Uppers in the morning, downers at night.

Even Starbucks is doing beer and wine now at a lot of locations.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on March 12, 2018, 10:10:39 PM
The answer is very simple:

Families attending church do not want to have to step over drunks lying, or worse, on the sidewalk.

Women walking to church should not have to endure wolf whistles and cat calls from drunken beer drinkers.

I'm almost positive this is sarcasm.

Either way, it's one of my favorite posts in a long time on MetroJacksonville.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: JBTripper on March 14, 2018, 05:03:33 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why a coffee shop has to serve beer.

Two things off the top of my head: higher margins and appealing to people who don't drink coffee, or don't drink coffee at night.

Uppers in the morning, downers at night.

Even Starbucks is doing beer and wine now at a lot of locations.

It's probably worth noting here that Starbucks wanted to sell beer and wine in their San Marco store. I'll give you one guess as to who organized the opposition campaign that shut it down...
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Adam White on March 14, 2018, 07:24:19 PM
Even Starbucks is doing beer and wine now at a lot of locations.

Really? That's sad. It's a shame everything has to end up being a bar. At least there's great public transport, so you don't have to get behind the wheel of your car after knocking back a few at the local 'coffee house'.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Adam White on March 14, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
And I’m still trying to figure out why a church has to serve grape juice with communion.

It was always wine at the churches I was forced to attend as a kid. Shitty wine, but wine.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: JBTripper on March 15, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
Baptists and Methodist serve grape juice, lest mothers and children will be stumbling over fornicators in the pew.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: thelakelander on March 15, 2018, 02:21:06 PM
Serving diabetes in a cup. You're probably better off drinking wine as opposed to some these juice products they sell in grocery stores today.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: funwithteeth on March 15, 2018, 02:49:36 PM
Even Starbucks is doing beer and wine now at a lot of locations.

Really? That's sad. It's a shame everything has to end up being a bar. At least there's great public transport, so you don't have to get behind the wheel of your car after knocking back a few at the local 'coffee house'.
Starbucks stopped this service over a year ago: http://time.com/money/4629133/starbucks-evenings-beer-wine-menu/ (http://time.com/money/4629133/starbucks-evenings-beer-wine-menu/)

I'm completely and totally fine with coffee shops having a small beer and wine menu as long as it's a good fit. The one time I got a beer at Starbucks it didn't feel that way at all; there was this cognitive dissonance in drinking alcohol in Starbucks that I couldn't shake.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on March 15, 2018, 03:01:57 PM
For what it's worth, the church claims to have pulled parking because of liability, rather than morality.

If that's the case, I'm a little more understanding.

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When the popular coffee shop first opened, customers were allowed to park at Southside Baptist’s lot. But after Bold Bean began serving alcohol, the church withdrew its permission, citing concerns over the safety of potentially inebriated customers crossing the street, and the church’s liability if they were injured.

Source: https://residentnews.net/2018/03/07/coffee-shops-popularity-creates-headaches-for-nearby-residents/
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: fieldafm on March 15, 2018, 03:35:43 PM
For what it's worth, the church claims to have pulled parking because of liability, rather than morality.

If that's the case, I'm a little more understanding.

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When the popular coffee shop first opened, customers were allowed to park at Southside Baptist’s lot. But after Bold Bean began serving alcohol, the church withdrew its permission, citing concerns over the safety of potentially inebriated customers crossing the street, and the church’s liability if they were injured.

Source: https://residentnews.net/2018/03/07/coffee-shops-popularity-creates-headaches-for-nearby-residents/

When the San Marco Starbucks' submitted a zoning application to serve beer/wine (later withdrawn), a representative from the church told the Planning Commission that their basis for opposition was that children could be exposed to alcohol. I find it curious then that the opposition to Bold Bean's application now has to do with insurance concerns, when before they opposed a similar application on an entirely different basis. Convenient.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: jax_hwy_engineer on March 15, 2018, 03:58:35 PM
All this just seems so goofy and crazy... the majority of people who go to a coffee shop that serves beer go there for the coffee primarily, and may have one or two beers before moving on to a different location to eat, continue drinking, or just go home. I personally love stopping by a coffee shop with beer because if I want to have a drink and am also tired, the coffee is a good pick-me-up and the beer is what I was going for in the first place, whereas if I were to order a coffee at a bar it would likely be crap coffee and not very energizing.

Also not a whole lot of drinking going on on a Sunday morning from what I've seen, even in the hottest weekend drinking spots in Jax...
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: JBTripper on March 16, 2018, 09:00:23 AM
For what it's worth, the church claims to have pulled parking because of liability, rather than morality.

If that's the case, I'm a little more understanding.

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When the popular coffee shop first opened, customers were allowed to park at Southside Baptist’s lot. But after Bold Bean began serving alcohol, the church withdrew its permission, citing concerns over the safety of potentially inebriated customers crossing the street, and the church’s liability if they were injured.

Source: https://residentnews.net/2018/03/07/coffee-shops-popularity-creates-headaches-for-nearby-residents/

When the San Marco Starbucks' submitted a zoning application to serve beer/wine (later withdrawn), a representative from the church told the Planning Commission that their basis for opposition was that children could be exposed to alcohol. I find it curious then that the opposition to Bold Bean's application now has to do with insurance concerns, when before they opposed a similar application on an entirely different basis. Convenient.

That's exactly right. The church opposed Starbucks on grounds that it would eliminate one of the few "hangout" spots for local kids. Nevermind that The Loop serves beer and wine and is the primary hangout for neighborhood kids over dry Starbucks anyways. My guess is the franchise owner is a church member.
Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: KenFSU on March 16, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
For what it's worth, the church claims to have pulled parking because of liability, rather than morality.

If that's the case, I'm a little more understanding.

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When the popular coffee shop first opened, customers were allowed to park at Southside Baptist’s lot. But after Bold Bean began serving alcohol, the church withdrew its permission, citing concerns over the safety of potentially inebriated customers crossing the street, and the church’s liability if they were injured.

Source: https://residentnews.net/2018/03/07/coffee-shops-popularity-creates-headaches-for-nearby-residents/

When the San Marco Starbucks' submitted a zoning application to serve beer/wine (later withdrawn), a representative from the church told the Planning Commission that their basis for opposition was that children could be exposed to alcohol. I find it curious then that the opposition to Bold Bean's application now has to do with insurance concerns, when before they opposed a similar application on an entirely different basis. Convenient.

Then the church revoking parking for Bold Bean probably is related to alcohol.

The goofiest thing about the entire situation to me is the church lying about their reason for revoking it.

Aren't church's, in theory, supposed to be honest?

I mean, it's one of the Big 10.


Title: Re: 3 New Coffee Shops Opening in Jacksonville
Post by: Adam White on March 16, 2018, 11:40:47 AM

The goofiest thing about the entire situation to me is the church lying about their reason for revoking it.

Aren't church's, in theory, supposed to be honest?

I mean, it's one of the Big 10.

Well, they've been lying about the whole "god" thing for years now...