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Title: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on August 05, 2016, 07:05:02 AM
San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments

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ModernCities.com reports that plans are in the pipeline for another major mixed-use development in San Marco.

Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2016-aug-san-marcos-florida-baptist-site-to-become-apartments
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: billy on August 05, 2016, 07:50:38 AM
Is zoning application filed? Who is developer?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on August 05, 2016, 07:57:30 AM
I was just talking to my wife the other day about the redevelopment of the part of Hendricks between Nira and Prudential.  This will be huge for the area (if it's built right).  You also have the Naugle and neighboring buildings along Gary St and the Reddi Arts property that may be good candidates for redevelopment.  Plus that whole area behind Tidbits and whatever is going on with that.  This part of Hendricks really flys under the radar but has seen steady development over the last few years.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Charles Hunter on August 05, 2016, 08:03:41 AM
They going to demo the existing buildings and build new, or repurpose?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Captain Zissou on August 05, 2016, 09:07:14 AM
This is great news.  That's a really underutilized lot with a lot of space.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on August 05, 2016, 10:54:32 AM
Interesting. I can't imagine they'd keep that building if they're going for mixed use commercial and residential. Either way, it could be a pretty great grab for the area.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on August 05, 2016, 11:29:33 AM
This is a great sign. If we can see some of these actually get built on the Southbank, it will soon become red hot. There is a lot of room to do some amazing things if designed right.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: CCMjax on August 05, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
The powers that be are finally realizing San Marco needs apartments?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: icarus on August 05, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
& if we had effective mass transit, we wouldnt have to cede half the acreage to parking lots ...
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on August 05, 2016, 01:04:06 PM
Honestly, with the possible density on the Southbank proposed, the Skyway has potential to actually move people around to destinations.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on September 04, 2016, 01:19:42 PM
I love seeing all this new development, is there any threat of over doing it?  I'm counting well over 1500 new apartments units in greater San Marco, and all within a pretty tight area. If these all come to fruition then the Publix development at Hendricks and Atlantic will be incredibly important.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: blfair on December 20, 2016, 10:40:59 AM
From the daily record:

http://jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=548967&midn=20161220
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: KenFSU on December 20, 2016, 11:51:30 AM
Key info, from the JBJ article:

Quote
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=548967

 Jacksonville-based Block One Ventures is pursuing plans to buy and clear the 3.45-acre site at 1230 Hendricks Ave. to develop a multistory structure with up to 345 residential units and 30,000 square feet of retail and commercial uses.

The first floor would feature restaurant, commercial retail, office and parking space as well as residential units with an amenity center, courtyard and pool.

Upper floors would contain parking and residences of studio to multibedroom units.

It would include structured parking and vehicle access at Hendricks Avenue and Naldo Avenue.

The project is described in a rezoning application filed with the city.

Florida Baptist Convention seeks to rezone the site to a planned unit development. It also requests a land use amendment.

The building would be seven stories.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on December 20, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
Good stuff!  Hope it works out, this would be huge for that corridor.  It would be great to see that stretch book ended by this and the East San Marco development. 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on December 20, 2016, 01:47:11 PM
Sounds like good stuff. I can't wait to see what they do with the space.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: remc86007 on December 20, 2016, 08:10:59 PM
I love seeing all this new development, is there any threat of over doing it?  I'm counting well over 1500 new apartments units in greater San Marco, and all within a pretty tight area. If these all come to fruition then the Publix development at Hendricks and Atlantic will be incredibly important.

My guess is no. As someone who was looking to move to an apartment in the urban core and couldn't find one, I think the supply has been way too limited for way too long.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on December 20, 2016, 08:45:14 PM
Go drive down CR 210, Bartram Park, Race Track Rd or through Oakleaf to see what overdoing it really looks like.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on December 20, 2016, 09:26:32 PM
This is great news, hope it works out. The only thing over done in the downtown and surrounding areas is parking lots.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: pears045 on December 20, 2016, 11:47:02 PM
Lake, that is the best and most unintentionally hilarious response I have ever read in my years of following Metro Jax.  I laughed out loud.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on December 21, 2016, 10:44:39 AM
7 stories on that property is some solid density for the area as well. Love it!
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on December 21, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
However, you would think there would be room somewhere at First Baptist in downtown for them with the shrinking need for staff at the Church. Kind of sucks they are moving out to the burbs but I am sure all of their employees are from there.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: RattlerGator on December 21, 2016, 11:18:10 AM
Lake, that is the best and most unintentionally hilarious response I have ever read in my years of following Metro Jax.  I laughed out loud.
And that's the tension; because those are the places the majority of people *want* to live. I'm pulling for downtown to really pop, and I believe that is happening, but it's a dedicated minority of area residents who want that life.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on December 21, 2016, 12:50:00 PM
There's no tension and those are places that benefit from public policy and subsidies drive market rate growth in their direction. If things were on the same playing field, as far as public investment goes, I believe what the majority of people desire would change radically. That's not to say they'd end up in downtown but I don't believe the growth pattern would remotely resemble what we have now. 

With that said, the only reason I made that quote is because the amount of growth happening in downtown is peanuts in comparison. In terms of number of units, a larger scale is happening outside of downtown but no one ever questions if it is too much. Just ironic, that's all.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on December 21, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
Lake, that is the best and most unintentionally hilarious response I have ever read in my years of following Metro Jax.  I laughed out loud.
And that's the tension; because those are the places the majority of people *want* to live. I'm pulling for downtown to really pop, and I believe that is happening, but it's a dedicated minority of area residents who want that life.

Well, you have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build the necessary infrastructure to build out in burbs. You need an Outer Beltway and 9B which together cost well over a billion dollars. This is all instead of redeveloping older neighborhoods more towards the city center. But there is always a mix and must be moderation since population growth does spur the economy like nothing else.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on December 21, 2016, 01:11:04 PM
^Take away the subsidy on upfront infrastructure investment and long term public maintenance of that infrastructure and put it on the back of the developer/land owner and see what happens. The cost will get passed down to the homeowner directly and the homeowner's preferences will change, which is radically impact the overall region's development form and pattern.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: JBTripper on January 24, 2017, 02:11:55 PM
I drive by here pretty much every day. Yesterday they had public hearing notices posted. Pretty sure it said RHD for high-density residential, but I was driving so I can't be sure.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on March 03, 2017, 05:34:24 AM
Quote
Developer wants zoning for dense San Marco-area apartment complex

Plans for an upscale apartment development on San Marco’s fringe have been delivered to Jacksonville’s City Council, but specifics of what’s being envisioned are still hard to come by.

Legislation was filed this week about developer Block One Ventures’ project to replace the Florida Baptist Convention offices at 1230 Hendricks Ave. with as many as 345 homes.

The project on a single block next to Interstate 95’s Overland Bridge would help fill in development between San Marco and downtown’s Southbank, where expensive housing towers sprouted near the St. Johns River a decade ago.

The new project would have a lower profile.

Where the 295-unit Strand apartment building on the river occupies 28 floors, for example, development on the Baptist Convention property would be limited to heights of 80 feet, enough for seven or eight floors.

Full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2017-03-02/developer-wants-zoning-dense-san-marco-area-apartment-complex
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxjaguar on March 03, 2017, 09:35:05 AM
345 units in 7-8 floors on that little piece of land? Are they going to be storage closets? Is there a reason they're limited to 8 floors?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on March 03, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
I think it is a great project for the area. Hopefully the design is good.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on March 03, 2017, 09:48:15 AM
345 units in 7-8 floors on that little piece of land? Are they going to be storage closets? Is there a reason they're limited to 8 floors?

Broadstone riverhouse is 300 units, on what appears to be a smaller parcel (didn't look it up) and  two less floors.  This doesn't seem that far out of line
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on March 03, 2017, 09:57:52 AM
This will be a nice project if it comes together. We need more people in this area, and we need to knock down fewer historic homes and buildings. Hopefully something good pans out.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jcjohnpaint on March 03, 2017, 10:25:42 AM
I think there is a heigh restriction of 80 ft on that side of 95
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on March 03, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
I think there is a heigh restriction of 80 ft on that side of 95

Could they get a variance on that? I mean, it is nowhere near the historic character areas and is literally right on the border (although I doubt too many people want a view of 95 or the noise if you go to tall there).
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Captain Zissou on March 03, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
I think there is a heigh restriction of 80 ft on that side of 95

The cancer hospital and JOI are taller than 80 feet.  The Hilton Garden in 1 block away is probably right at 80.  I don't think it would be out of scale for the neighborhood.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxnyc79 on March 03, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
There appears to be an obsession with tall buildings among some on this thread.  Density doesn't have to be and shouldn't be skyscrapers.  Walkability and mixed-land-use are key.  Let's make sure Jax's core is great at human-scale, instead of just in the views from the Fuller Warren.  That will be key to real, cultural vibrancy.  Go to the amazing towns and villages and cities across Europe.  Few have skyscrapers, but they're amazing expressions of character, charm, individuality and local heritage.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on March 03, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
There appears to be an obsession with tall buildings among some on this thread.  Density doesn't have to be and shouldn't be skyscrapers.  Walkability and mixed-land-use are key.  Let's make sure Jax's core is great at human-scale, instead of just in the views from the Fuller Warren.  That will be key to real, cultural vibrancy.  Go to the amazing towns and villages and cities across Europe.  Few have skyscrapers, but they're amazing expressions of character, charm, individuality and local heritage.

I think people are excited about this project because the developer has said he is clearly committed to street retail along Hendricks. However, if giving them some wiggle room height wise makes the project more feasible, it would make sense to allow that in this specific area. Also, if the interaction is good, who doesn't love a tall building in a downtown area?  ;D
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxnyc79 on March 03, 2017, 05:46:24 PM
Actually, I'm not a big fan of it.  I live in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan.  My parents, aunts, and grandmother live on the Southside of Jax and at the Beaches.  I graduated from UF and lived in Jax for a brief period before relocating to Manhattan over 12 years ago.  New York is phenomenal for so many reasons, but for permanent residents, not because of its canyons of steel.   

The towering architecture is awe-inspiring for people who visit, but for many of us here, canyons of steel are not a recipe for livability.  The nicest residential streets and communities are not so dense with skyscrapers, think West Village and the brownstone enclaves of the eastside and westside.  New Yorkers stopped fighting "verticality" many years ago because of the extraordinary population surges.  But I regularly book flights to London, Munich, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Berlin, several of my favorite European cities, because I get the walkability and the density without the impersonality of the towers. 

In my view, Jax's problem is not a lack of towers.  Jax's problem (and the problem of many American cities) is horrible, disjointed, and inefficient land use.  Jax has a tragic lack of multi-modality and functional walkability.  When in Jax, you're mostly confined to your car.  Your streetscapes are mostly lined with massive parking lots settled in front of the same generic, big-box stores one can find in Anyplace, USA.   

Yes, that is slowly changing for Jax (and changing much more rapidly for many of your peers).  Thankfully, it's changing across the country because a sizeable share of Millennials and Post-Millennials seem to desire a very different community format.

As your neighborhoods become more walkable (not vertical), your people will get the opportunity to more rigorously engage with each other and their surroundings in public squares and other forums, which will hopefully lead to more local collaborations and creativity, which may ultimately lead to a rejuvenation of local heritage and identity, giving Jax more to celebrate that is unique to Jax. When that happens, people from elsewhere will want to experience that uniqueness, and voila, you have experience tourism - an important part of the next-gen economy.

So in my view, skyscrapers are over-rated.  When my friends and I want link up in Manhattan after a long day at the office, we head to the streets thriving with great bars and amazing restaurants.  They're almost always at street level.  And we could care less what's going on 200 feet into the air.  Not opposed to skyscrapers, just want to make sure Jax has its priorities straight.       
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: ProjectMaximus on March 03, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
Yes there is such a thing as too many high-rises and skyscrapers that detract from the pedestrian experience. However I think Jax is quite far from having too many of these canyons of steel. A mid-rise near the southbank is not an issue at all to me at this point in time...
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: remc86007 on March 03, 2017, 11:20:46 PM
Yes there is such a thing as too many high-rises and skyscrapers that detract from the pedestrian experience. However I think Jax is quite far from having too many of these canyons of steel. A mid-rise near the southbank is not an issue at all to me at this point in time...

I agree completely. At this point, all taller buildings will do is allow for more of the walkability and livability to be financially viable by increasing the residential density. Another point that seems to have been overlooked thus far is that, unlike many of the towers in the middle of Manhattan where most of the people in the building have a view of the sides of other buildings unless they are higher than the adjacent building, a tower near downtown Jax almost invariably has beautiful views from every side. The current occupancy rates of the Strand, Peninsula, Carling, and 11e demonstrate the demand for these views.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on March 03, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
It's true that skycrapers often don't improve the human scale environment, especially when they're closed off on the ground level like so many are. But it doesn't sound like any of that's the plan here, as they've been talking about a mixed use, mid-rise building. It's also worth pointing out that the site already includes a midrise building with poor ground floor interaction, a disconnected office building and surrounding surface lots, none of which are good on the pedestrian scale. Hopefully this project will be an improvement over what's there now.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on March 04, 2017, 12:22:18 AM
The way I read it, there's an existing height limit that potentially stops them from adding the amount of density they want on the site. Thus, they are looking for approval to increase the allowed height on the site.  My guess is that they'll have no problem getting it. It seems like the perfect project for that particular area of San Marco.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on March 04, 2017, 07:30:06 AM
It would a a great location for an apartment.  A bunch of good places to eat, if you work at Baptist it's walking distance, close to downtown, the list goes on.  Other than the fancy grocery store I think I would chose this over Brooklyn. 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on March 05, 2017, 09:40:37 PM
I appreciate the enthusiasm and really hope that this project comes to fruition, but unless I missed something it sounds as if the developer has not closed on the real estate yet. Sort of like the Publix situation (avoided the word fiasco). 10 years plus and the developer still has not closed on the damn real estate. Neither has Rummel. I know all the commentary, "it can't happen unless all the marbles are lined up."  So lets temper our joy until some shovels are at work my friends.

In the meantime celebrate what is ongoing and completed!
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: RattlerGator on March 06, 2017, 10:22:02 AM
Walkable, walkable, walkable -- good grief. To hell with those European cities, that mess is not going to happen here. Nor should it. Greater density in the urban core for those who want it? Great. All for it.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxnyc79 on March 06, 2017, 03:17:06 PM
It actually is happening all across the country.  And it's not just about walkability, it's about optionality.  Walking as another form of mobility should not be a death trap, nor should there be the perception that it is a death trap.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on March 06, 2017, 03:28:23 PM
Density without walkability creates spaces like some of the most frustrating parts of South Florida or Atlanta. Less of that in Jax, please.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on March 06, 2017, 05:45:23 PM
^^
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Bativac on March 06, 2017, 10:01:27 PM
I appreciate the enthusiasm and really hope that this project comes to fruition, but unless I missed something it sounds as if the developer has not closed on the real estate yet. Sort of like the Publix situation (avoided the word fiasco). 10 years plus and the developer still has not closed on the damn real estate. Neither has Rummel. I know all the commentary, "it can't happen unless all the marbles are lined up."  So lets temper our joy until some shovels are at work my friends.

In the meantime celebrate what is ongoing and completed!

I don't have a ton of experience with projects like this in other cities, but in Jax it seems to be par for the course that press releases will go out, and people will celebrate the great claims and plans made in the press release, and nine times out of ten none of it ever comes to fruition.

Comparisons with the San Marco Publix or - good grief - the Laura Street Trio are apt. Hope something comes out of it, but it's silly bordering on absurd to worry over the height of the structure at this point.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on March 06, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
I appreciate the enthusiasm and really hope that this project comes to fruition, but unless I missed something it sounds as if the developer has not closed on the real estate yet. Sort of like the Publix situation (avoided the word fiasco). 10 years plus and the developer still has not closed on the damn real estate. Neither has Rummel. I know all the commentary, "it can't happen unless all the marbles are lined up."  So lets temper our joy until some shovels are at work my friends.

In the meantime celebrate what is ongoing and completed!

I don't have a ton of experience with projects like this in other cities, but in Jax it seems to be par for the course that press releases will go out, and people will celebrate the great claims and plans made in the press release, and nine times out of ten none of it ever comes to fruition.

Comparisons with the San Marco Publix or - good grief - the Laura Street Trio are apt. Hope something comes out of it, but it's silly bordering on absurd to worry over the height of the structure at this point.

Not really. Most all the planning happens before the deal ever closes. In cases where they secure some sort of variance by legislation, it's done, whether it's good or bad. While it's good not to get hopes up until things are set, not paying attention beforehand is not.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on March 07, 2017, 08:44:27 AM
I've only lived here 10 years but from what I understand there were structures in place on the site where SM Publix is going. So they must have been demolished at least 10 years ago, to make way for .......................................

Does anyone remember when the first press release for that Publix was announced? 

Also, what is the latest on the condo/apartment complex the physician was going to build on Nira Street? Any updates at all?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Captain Zissou on March 07, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
The bulk of the buildings were demolished between November 2008 and September 2009, but a sign has been up at the corner of Atlantic and Hendricks since November 2007. 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on March 07, 2017, 10:19:53 AM
^My understanding as well. The project was proposed around in 2007; there were buildings there at that time, a bank and a strip center that were demolished (the bank, now a Wells Fargo, moved to a new building up the street). However, the project was derailed by the housing crisis, so there are, shall we say, extenuating circumstances there.

The Baptist Convention block is a pretty different situation. The site is already mostly dead; it's got a mostly empty midrise building with poor street level interaction, a couple of mostly empty smaller buildings, and a bunch of empty parking lots. Even if the current proposal fails, it will still be a dead lot with little hope of improvement in its current state.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: sanmarcomatt on May 04, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
http://residentnews.net/2017/05/04/wall-wall-development-planned-florida-baptist-convention-property/

Density? Yes, please.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on May 04, 2017, 09:50:22 PM
Looks good to me. Bring it on.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on May 04, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
I love the retail block on the corner.  It's designed where it could accommodate a big box urban format or be split into smaller spaces.  That's something we don't see a lot with downtown development these days.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Jim on May 04, 2017, 10:58:19 PM
Wow. I wasn't expecting them to take up the whole block.  Excellent.

Interesting that we may soon have 2 residential developments on each side of I-95 right there.  This and the Home Street San Marco Apartments.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on May 05, 2017, 06:13:51 AM
Baptist is basically up on all of their land to the west, so we'll end up with a wall of buildings hugging the south side of I-95 from the river to the Kings Avenue garage.

(http://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/Urban-Project-Renderings/i-mx2zdfn/0/L/MD%20Anderson%20Site%20Plan-X2-L.jpg)

http://www.moderncities.com/article/2016-aug-baptist-health-plans-massive-downtown-expansion/page/1
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 05, 2017, 10:05:30 AM
So excited for the multi-use path and the fuller warren ramp.  Bridge loops using the Acosta and Fuller Warren would be intense!
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on May 05, 2017, 10:12:53 AM
I love the retail block on the corner.  It's designed where it could accommodate a big box urban format or be split into smaller spaces.  That's something we don't see a lot with downtown development these days.

They may be trying to get a grocery store on board or maybe even a Target?  :o
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Steve on May 05, 2017, 10:25:14 AM
It's hard to tell how much parking this thing would have. East San Marco worked (at least, from Publix's perspective) because it had dedicated parking.

30,000 SqFt is a boatload - I believe the Riverside Publix is 20k. I think 30k would accommodate Target's urban layout. What's cool is the space could be subdivided now, and if later the market would work for a big box, then one could come (aside from dealing with lease breaks, etc.)

It does seem like that if you could land something major like a national big box them you could just go up a level or two in the garage, though garage parking is really expensive so the numbers would have to work.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: fieldafm on May 05, 2017, 11:38:48 AM
It's hard to tell how much parking this thing would have. East San Marco worked (at least, from Publix's perspective) because it had dedicated parking.

30,000 SqFt is a boatload - I believe the Riverside Publix is 20k. I think 30k would accommodate Target's urban layout. What's cool is the space could be subdivided now, and if later the market would work for a big box, then one could come (aside from dealing with lease breaks, etc.)

It does seem like that if you could land something major like a national big box them you could just go up a level or two in the garage, though garage parking is really expensive so the numbers would have to work.


I've seen the Target Express formats anywhere from as low as 12k square feet to upwards of 25k square feet. 

http://www.moderncities.com/article/2017-mar-target-enters-the-urban-market-to-boost-lagging-sales (http://www.moderncities.com/article/2017-mar-target-enters-the-urban-market-to-boost-lagging-sales)

In standalone stores in Berkeley and Chicago (images in link), no parking has been added. The Target Express stores opening in the Southeast are typically going into college towns/neighborhoods as part of a mixed used development and are generally requiring 25-40 dedicated parking spaces depending on the size of the store.

From my understanding, the Florida Baptist development doesn't have a LOI from a big box at this time, but wants to keep their options flexible. A well-known national soft goods retailer not named Publix is interested in this general area (Kings Ave/Hendricks Ave), and this particular piece of property would be attractive to that type of user given that there is direct highway access with the Overland Bridge project.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on May 05, 2017, 12:14:55 PM
I'm just getting back from an APA event that was centered around San Marco, its zoning overlay and development pressures.  Bill Killingsworth moderated the event while Mike Balanky, Councilwoman Boyer, Chris Flagg and Leanna Cumber were the panelist.  Balanky mentioned he's working on a phase two, to the Kings Avenue Station site.  He said it was delayed by the Overland Bridge project.  He also believes that infill commercial and mixed-use development along Kings Avenue, between the Southbank and Philips Highway, will start materializing in the next 12 to 24 months with the opening of the new interchange.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 05, 2017, 01:57:07 PM
Sounds like an interesting panel.  Did Leanna Cumber talk about FEC making it a quiet zone?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxjags on May 05, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
It's hard to tell how much parking this thing would have. East San Marco worked (at least, from Publix's perspective) because it had dedicated parking.

30,000 SqFt is a boatload - I believe the Riverside Publix is 20k. I think 30k would accommodate Target's urban layout. What's cool is the space could be subdivided now, and if later the market would work for a big box, then one could come (aside from dealing with lease breaks, etc.)

It does seem like that if you could land something major like a national big box them you could just go up a level or two in the garage, though garage parking is really expensive so the numbers would have to work.

It is hard to see but there is a separate garage for the retail parking. This is also mentioned in the article.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on May 05, 2017, 02:22:19 PM
Sounds like an interesting panel.  Did Leanna Cumber talk about FEC making it a quiet zone?

No. She was there on behalf of the SMPS. She did mention that the rail congestion was a result of improvements needed at the Honeymoon Yard area off Beaver Street and that a solution was being developed.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: sanmarcomatt on June 08, 2017, 01:31:49 PM
Nice to see the sale actually happen (Looking at you east San Marco):

 Florida Baptist Convention site sold for redevelopment

Florida Baptist Convention Inc. sold its San Marco property at 1230 Hendricks Ave. on Tuesday for $6.15 million to Chadbourne II LLC. The property was rezoned in April for Block One Ventures to develop a multistory, mixed-use project of up to 345 residential units and 30,000 square feet of commercial use. Florida Baptist Convention moved to a Southpoint area building at 6850 Belfort Oaks Place that it bought in December.

kmathis@jaxdailyrecord.com

http://jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=549985
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on June 08, 2017, 01:49:01 PM
Really hope shovels are in the ground on this one before the end of the year.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on June 08, 2017, 03:43:36 PM
Bring it on
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: edjax on June 08, 2017, 04:37:47 PM
Development is good, but: 345 units at that site? That section of the road is already hell at peak hours.  Seriously, downtown development is a good thing, but everyone seems to just gloss over that more development is going to change our standard of living- drastically.  There's a reason Atlanta fucking sucks and is hell on earth for traffic.  We are rapidly approaching that and we dont even have like 5% of Atlanta's mass transit options.

Damn it. Now why did you say that?!?  Now we will get pages of oh we don't know what traffic is here, blah. Blah.   :-\
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on June 08, 2017, 04:45:32 PM
Haha, we're no where near anything Atlanta deals with traffic-wise.  We could add 10,000 new units in the Southbank/Northern San Marco and we still would not be close.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on June 08, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
Once the overland bridge project is done a lot of those people that go down that section of Hendricks might find it faster to take the south collector road to Philips and take Emerson over to San Jose.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on June 09, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
Development is good, but: 345 units at that site? That section of the road is already hell at peak hours.  Seriously, downtown development is a good thing, but everyone seems to just gloss over that more development is going to change our standard of living- drastically.  There's a reason Atlanta fucking sucks and is hell on earth for traffic.  We are rapidly approaching that and we dont even have like 5% of Atlanta's mass transit options.

Damn it. Now why did you say that?!?  Now we will get pages of oh we don't know what traffic is here, blah. Blah.   :-\

We don't. Traffic in Jax is a cake walk compared to most other cities. This will hopefully be good because we can get more people living closer to work and not driving as much or have to get on 95, 10, or Arlington :D
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: JBTripper on June 12, 2017, 10:42:44 PM
Development is good, but: 345 units at that site? That section of the road is already hell at peak hours.  Seriously, downtown development is a good thing, but everyone seems to just gloss over that more development is going to change our standard of living- drastically.  There's a reason Atlanta fucking sucks and is hell on earth for traffic.  We are rapidly approaching that and we dont even have like 5% of Atlanta's mass transit options.

Damn it. Now why did you say that?!?  Now we will get pages of oh we don't know what traffic is here, blah. Blah.   :-\

We don't. Traffic in Jax is a cake walk compared to most other cities. This will hopefully be good because we can get more people living closer to work and not driving as much or have to get on 95, 10, or Arlington :D

Correct. Traffic here is a mild inconvenience, even when there is a train gumming up the works at that particular site. Jaxons simply do not know the struggle.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: RattlerGator on June 15, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
345 units? That could be more than 30 stories.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: vicupstate on June 15, 2017, 01:34:48 PM
345 units? That could be more than 30 stories.

It is a 3.41 acre site so it will probably be 5-8 stories. 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on June 15, 2017, 01:57:58 PM
I think they said it will be 80' tall.  So what's that like 7 stories? 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: RattlerGator on June 16, 2017, 11:55:04 AM
It is a 3.41 acre site so it will probably be 5-8 stories.

Oops.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxjaguar on October 10, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
Anyone know if this is still happening? This would be an excellent compliment to the new apartments going in behind tidbits.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on October 10, 2017, 08:43:58 PM
Saw an "AVAILABLE"  sign on the property the other day and wondered what was up.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: edjax on July 14, 2018, 09:18:31 PM
Is this project completely dead?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: remc86007 on July 14, 2018, 10:51:08 PM
I'm pretty sure I recently saw a dumpster outside that had stuff in it like they were clearing it out.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on July 17, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
Went by earlier and there was an empty dumpster next to the building.  It looked like it had recently been put there but was pretty small.  No other signs of life though.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on July 20, 2018, 09:27:18 PM
Yesterday I noticed the new dumpster was full and a second empty had been delivered.  So something is going on, but nothing major.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on July 20, 2018, 09:56:03 PM
If East San Marco couldn’t pull off mixed use, it’s hard to imagine this one pulling it off.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on July 21, 2018, 11:29:30 AM
Reading this entire thread from the beginning, the initial announcement was August 2016. This being Jacksonville, expect demo and site prep in 2 years, August 2020....  Seriously, why pay over $6 million and then let it sit?

On a related note, the old Morton's Steakhouse location at 1510 Peninsula closed last week. $1.7 million and being re-developed for a December reopen into high end OBGYN offices.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxnyc79 on July 22, 2018, 10:29:35 AM
Reading this entire thread from the beginning, the initial announcement was August 2016. This being Jacksonville, expect demo and site prep in 2 years, August 2020....  Seriously, why pay over $6 million and then let it sit?

On a related note, the old Morton's Steakhouse location at 1510 Peninsula closed last week. $1.7 million and being re-developed for a December reopen into high end OBGYN offices.

I was wondering the same thing.  Is there some way it's within Jax's power to compel these landowners to do more.  I was just reading about the Boston Redevelopment Authority's state-granted powers when parts of Boston were in dire straits in the late 1950s.  Its mandate was to seize neglected property and put it back into productive use.  Most agree that it's worked and Boston is probably the best it's ever been - some argue that the powers should end because the city no longer needs such drastic measures.  Also, to keep the BRA accountable to voters, I believe they're directly installed voters. 

So imagine - Jacksonville Downtown Redevelopment Authority - power to seize neglected properties throughout the core and put back into productive use (with a focus on walkability and street-activation) - Duval County Voters vote for the Authority.  Now that's transformational. 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: edjax on July 22, 2018, 12:37:14 PM
Reading this entire thread from the beginning, the initial announcement was August 2016. This being Jacksonville, expect demo and site prep in 2 years, August 2020....  Seriously, why pay over $6 million and then let it sit?

On a related note, the old Morton's Steakhouse location at 1510 Peninsula closed last week. $1.7 million and being re-developed for a December reopen into high end OBGYN offices.

I was wondering the same thing.  Is there some way it's within Jax's power to compel these landowners to do more.  I was just reading about the Boston Redevelopment Authority's state-granted powers when parts of Boston were in dire straits in the late 1950s.  Its mandate was to seize neglected property and put it back into productive use.  Most agree that it's worked and Boston is probably the best it's ever been - some argue that the powers should end because the city no longer needs such drastic measures.  Also, to keep the BRA accountable to voters, I believe they're directly installed voters. 

So imagine - Jacksonville Downtown Redevelopment Authority - power to seize neglected properties throughout the core and put back into productive use (with a focus on walkability and street-activation) - Duval County Voters vote for the Authority.  Now that's transformational.

Well the COJ doesn’t exactly have a great track record of getting property it already owns reactivated.   So I’m not sure I’d wish too hard to go this route.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxnyc79 on July 22, 2018, 01:47:57 PM
Reading this entire thread from the beginning, the initial announcement was August 2016. This being Jacksonville, expect demo and site prep in 2 years, August 2020....  Seriously, why pay over $6 million and then let it sit?

On a related note, the old Morton's Steakhouse location at 1510 Peninsula closed last week. $1.7 million and being re-developed for a December reopen into high end OBGYN offices.

I was wondering the same thing.  Is there some way it's within Jax's power to compel these landowners to do more.  I was just reading about the Boston Redevelopment Authority's state-granted powers when parts of Boston were in dire straits in the late 1950s.  Its mandate was to seize neglected property and put it back into productive use.  Most agree that it's worked and Boston is probably the best it's ever been - some argue that the powers should end because the city no longer needs such drastic measures.  Also, to keep the BRA accountable to voters, I believe they're directly installed voters. 

So imagine - Jacksonville Downtown Redevelopment Authority - power to seize neglected properties throughout the core and put back into productive use (with a focus on walkability and street-activation) - Duval County Voters vote for the Authority.  Now that's transformational.

Well the COJ doesn’t exactly have a great track record of getting property it already owns reactivated.   So I’m not sure I’d wish too hard to go this route.

I understand that point - but if you had a body solely focused on urban core land use and redevelopment and that body was elected by voters and had voters to answer  to - don't you think land-use repurposing and redevelopment would be operating under a very different set of drivers and the circumstance would force a great deal more activity?  Also, just the fact that such a body exists could spur more existing private landowners to actually do more with the property once in possession of it.  I understand the reasons to doubt this approach, like such a heavy hand from government might discourage or repel private interest and investment, but I just thought the Boston experience was quite an interesting one.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: aubureck on July 25, 2018, 08:46:21 AM
Drove by yesterday and several of the windows on the different floors were open (didn't even know those things could open).  It appears something is happening on the building, probably cleaning it out.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on July 25, 2018, 08:55:52 AM
^What project site did you drive by?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on July 25, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
^What project site did you drive by?

The "tower" on the Florida Baptist site.  The top story windows have been open for a while, at least during the day.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on August 18, 2018, 02:38:14 PM
4 - 6 weeks they had a contractor on site drilling and doing soil testing.   Throw in the dumpster and open windows and it would appear something is going on.  Maybe the owner preparing the property for sale?



BTw - Does anyone have details on the new apartments / condos going in just norht of there on the other side of I95?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on August 18, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
Catalyst Development Partners building 140+ apartments in a courtyard style building with a garage facing I 95.

If you search you can find more info about it on another thread on this website.


Try this:  https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/2018-jun-downtown-southbank-apartment-project-breaks-ground
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on August 20, 2018, 08:25:59 PM
More going on at the Florida Baptist site today.  The most activity I've seen out there.  Another dumpster, this time on the north side of the building and a number of guys in neon OSHA type shirts carrying stuff out loading it up.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on September 01, 2018, 02:08:40 PM

Sweet, Thank you.  The apartments going up north of I95 are known as the SoBA apartments.

http://www.catalystdp.com/soba-apartments

SoBA Apartments
REVITALIZING APARTMENT LIVING IN THE SOUTHBANK DISTRICT OF DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.
THE PROJECT: Catalyst Development Partners broke ground in June 2018 to build a new 147-unit, 4-story Class A apartment community in the Southbank district of Downtown Jacksonville. The SoBA name was inspired by the highly desirable Southbank area, which is transforming from an office-centric environment to a 24/7 urban neighborhood. First resident move-ins are projected for Summer 2019. Completion of construction, with final delivery of all units and remaining amenity spaces, is scheduled for Q1 2020.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on October 07, 2018, 07:47:20 AM
This months issue if the Resident confirmed a couple of topics in this thread.

First, it was indeed asbestos remediation that was being performed in the Baptist tower.  That's complete.

Second, they are waiting on the market to continue development.  This is a direct quote from the developer "The project is currently on hold until the rent we can charge is able to support the total development cost we anticipate."
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on October 07, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
Hmm....waiting for the market? That may be a while.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jcjohnpaint on October 07, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
According to The Reident, 200 riverside might break ground in Oct or Nov
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on October 07, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
"Second, they are waiting on the market to continue development.  This is a direct quote from the developer "The project is currently on hold until the rent we can charge is able to support the total development cost we anticipate."

WTF    (Don't you crunch those numbers before you sink 6 mil into a vacant property?)

Same thing Regency has been saying for 10 years about the San Marco Publix site.

Jacksonville is cursed by these assholes.

Must be nice to drop $6,000,000 + on a piece of real estate then pay taxes on it while you wait for market conditions to "Develop."
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on October 07, 2018, 01:34:49 PM
I'm no developer, but I agree that it's an interesting strategy.

The article also mentioned that the same developer is planning to "renovate" the "LaSalle Townhouses" into 14 three story units.  I'm not sure where this will be, but I can't think of any three story structures on LaSalle to renovate.  Sounds like a potential teardown of some existing structures.

On ANOTHER note, has anyone seen the monstrosity going up on Thacker? 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on October 07, 2018, 02:04:19 PM
Perhaps the real numbers were higher then their original estimates? It happens.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on October 07, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
I imagine that's what happened.  What they are proposing won't be cheap to bring to market.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on October 08, 2018, 10:17:20 AM
I just read this story. It's written incorrectly. Block One isn't or wasn't planning to renovate the Baptist building into 345 apartments.

Quote
In addition, two projects will renovate existing buildings in San Marco. Block One Ventures is currently remediating asbestos in the Florida Baptist Convention building at 1230 Hendricks Ave. with plans to eventually offer 345 apartments in the seven-story building, according to Scott Hobby of Block One. “The project is currently on hold until the rent that we can charge is able to support the total development cost we anticipate,” he said. Also, Corner Lot Development plans to renovate LaSalle Townhomes, on LaSalle  Street, as 14 three-story units.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on October 08, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
More detail from the Jax Daily Record on this project's progress:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/former-florida-baptist-convention-site-on-southbank-in-review-for-apartments-retail-space
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on October 08, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Sounds like they have scaled down the retail portion a bunch.  Wasn't it originally like 30k sq ft?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on October 08, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Yes, they scaled it down big time.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on November 30, 2018, 11:14:32 AM
Update: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/hendricks-apartments-at-former-florida-baptist-convention-property-continue-in-review
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on November 30, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
Hpefully this thing keeps on moving forward.  Lots of activity on the Southbank Kings Ave and Hendricks corridors lately!
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kerry on December 01, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
Would it kill someone to build 3 bedrooms?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Steve on December 03, 2018, 11:28:26 AM
Would it kill someone to build 3 bedrooms?

It seems like developers in the core (or at least especially in the core) shy away from them. I think the challenge is economics. Take Bell Riverside for example - their 3 bedrooms are like $2,300 a month. A quick Zillow search has a ton of 3 bedroom houses renting for far less (averaging $1,700 a month). They may not have the amenities that a nice apartment complex has, but a single family home for $500 less is a compelling argument.

On the other hand, all of Bell Riverside's 3 bedrooms are leased at present.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kiva on December 03, 2018, 08:21:09 PM
Also, for a mortgage of $2,300 a month, or much less, you could buy a lot of 3 bedroom houses in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Steve on December 03, 2018, 09:15:51 PM
Also, for a mortgage of $2,300 a month, or much less, you could buy a lot of 3 bedroom houses in Jacksonville.

Well, there are good reasons for some why renting is better. Imagine a corporate rental or a one year for a family relocating to town while they learn the market.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on December 03, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
But as you said earlier, you could rent a pretty nice house for cheaper than $2,300/month in this city. My guess is the market isn't demanding as many three bedroom apartments as it is ones and twos.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on December 08, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
Broadstone next to Duvall County Schools bldg is about to open and has some 3 bedrooms for rent.

https://broadstoneriverhouse.com/
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kerry on December 08, 2018, 07:06:24 PM
Would it kill someone to build 3 bedrooms?

It seems like developers in the core (or at least especially in the core) shy away from them. I think the challenge is economics. Take Bell Riverside for example - their 3 bedrooms are like $2,300 a month. A quick Zillow search has a ton of 3 bedroom houses renting for far less (averaging $1,700 a month). They may not have the amenities that a nice apartment complex has, but a single family home for $500 less is a compelling argument.

On the other hand, all of Bell Riverside's 3 bedrooms are leased at present.

There is a waiting list for 3-bedroom units at The Strand.

We looked at a large number of for-sale and rental in Riverside, San Marco, and Springfield and most of what is available is pure garbage for the prices being requested.  We have come to find that the price is about 75% location and 25% unit quality.  It is actually stunning how bad a lot of the options are.  I love living in the urban core but there just aren't many options now that we need 3 to 4 bedrooms.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on December 08, 2018, 07:19:48 PM
What do you want to pay for a 3BD?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kerry on December 08, 2018, 10:02:55 PM
I pay $2k now for a 2 bedroom so....
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on January 15, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
Demolition approved:

Quote
Former Florida Baptist Convention buildings are coming down at 1230 Hendricks Ave.

Realco Recycling Co. Inc. will demolish the office, bank and warehouse at the site at a cost of $349,000, according to a permit application submitted Friday and issued Monday.

The 3.41-acre site is slated for redevelopment into 345 apartments, parking and 5,500 square feet of retail space at Hendricks and Naldo avenues, Nira Street and the Interstate 95 ramp.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-mathis-report-demolition-approved-to-clear-path-for-san-marco-apartments
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 15, 2019, 10:02:17 AM
If only zoning change requests were approved as swiftly as demolitions.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kerry on January 15, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
If only zoning change requests were approved as swiftly as demolitions.

If Jaxwouls  just adopted The Smart Code for the urban core we could eliminate all the zoning red tape which would speed these projects along.  They could also make the demo permit a defacto part of the building permit.  That would prevent speculative demos.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on January 15, 2019, 09:31:10 PM
"I pay $2k now for a 2 bedroom so...."

Kerry,

One of my customers bought a nicely renovated house in Riverside (3/2  2000 sqft) WITH a private, freestanding cottage with its own address, water and electric meter for $350,000.

His mortgage payment was a little less than your rent. The tenant pays $750.  Let me sell you a house!
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on January 19, 2019, 10:59:39 AM


His mortgage payment  was a little less than your rent. The tenant pays $750.  Let me sell you a house!

The question isn't the mortgage, the question is the total cost of ownership.  In the the long run it's generally less. 


Anyway, the other day the poles were up around the old baptists property AND the bank at the corner by V.   The fencing is now up too.   

Does anyone know if they've scheduled a demolition for the buildings yet?
 
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: thelakelander on January 19, 2019, 11:20:45 AM
I believe they have the demo permit now.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kerry on January 21, 2019, 11:59:47 AM
"I pay $2k now for a 2 bedroom so...."

Kerry,

One of my customers bought a nicely renovated house in Riverside (3/2  2000 sqft) WITH a private, freestanding cottage with its own address, water and electric meter for $350,000.

His mortgage payment was a little less than your rent. The tenant pays $750.  Let me sell you a house!

I don't want to side track the discussion but there aren't ANY nicely renovated houses in Riverside, and only a couple in Springfield.  We probably looked at 50 houses and only 1 bothered to level the floor during renovation.  Paint, hardwood floors, and new kitchen doesn't mean squat if you don't level the floor.  We were extremely disappointed in the quality of the renovation jobs.  Our only option was to buy a pile of junk and renovate it ourselves but then we had the local preservation groups to deal with (which is probably the same reason the renovations suck).  We just decided to say No Thanks.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 21, 2019, 12:18:11 PM
"I pay $2k now for a 2 bedroom so...."

Kerry,

One of my customers bought a nicely renovated house in Riverside (3/2  2000 sqft) WITH a private, freestanding cottage with its own address, water and electric meter for $350,000.

His mortgage payment was a little less than your rent. The tenant pays $750.  Let me sell you a house!

I don't want to side track the discussion but there aren't ANY nicely renovated houses in Riverside, and only a couple in Springfield.  We probably looked at 50 houses and only 1 bothered to level the floor during renovation.  Paint, hardwood floors, and new kitchen doesn't mean squat if you don't level the floor.  We were extremely disappointed in the quality of the renovation jobs.  Our only option was to buy a pile of junk and renovate it ourselves but then we had the local preservation groups to deal with (which is probably the same reason the renovations suck).  We just decided to say No Thanks.

I did a similar tour for places to buy, and felt like Springfield isn't the sort of urban Neighborhood I'm after.  I like eclecticism and walkability and mixed-use density, but don't wish to live in a museum.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Steve on January 21, 2019, 12:50:07 PM
"I pay $2k now for a 2 bedroom so...."

Kerry,

One of my customers bought a nicely renovated house in Riverside (3/2  2000 sqft) WITH a private, freestanding cottage with its own address, water and electric meter for $350,000.

His mortgage payment was a little less than your rent. The tenant pays $750.  Let me sell you a house!

I don't want to side track the discussion but there aren't ANY nicely renovated houses in Riverside, and only a couple in Springfield.  We probably looked at 50 houses and only 1 bothered to level the floor during renovation.  Paint, hardwood floors, and new kitchen doesn't mean squat if you don't level the floor.  We were extremely disappointed in the quality of the renovation jobs.  Our only option was to buy a pile of junk and renovate it ourselves but then we had the local preservation groups to deal with (which is probably the same reason the renovations suck).  We just decided to say No Thanks.

We can agree to disagree on standards of "nice". As far as floor leveling, we can also agree to disagree. So long as the foundation is secure (so any shifting has stopped), that's usually what most houses do. Leveling the floor can easily be a 5 figure investment and unless it's really bad, I'm not sure what it buys you.  The cost is not just the leveling to begin with, but then you generally have to repair the plaster on every surface of the house (wall and ceiling).

Also, I'd challenge you to find any house that is truly square and level. The house I own was built in 1965 and sits on a concrete slab, and it is not 100% square.

Related: The JHPC (the local preservation group you'd have to deal with) cannot stay a thing about the interior of your house. Exterior yes, but again that's what the neighborhood agreed to when they voted for the historic district.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Kerry on January 21, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
Yeah, I talked to one of the guys who tried to level the floors and it would have require new windows since the old ones warped over time with the decaying home.  Since he couldn't update the windows he just left the undulating floor and we bought a new house in Mandarin.  The new house isn't perfect but I don't have to walk uphill to the kitchen or lean to the left while climbing the stairs.

Anyhow, this my last post on this tangent and apologies to all for the detour.  If someone else wants to have the last word have at it.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on January 26, 2019, 01:34:08 PM

I get the desire for focus but real conversations have tangents all the time.    Kerry's experience is important to remember when talking about options.  There are wonderful things about old houses.  But they have a lot of negatives too.   



The Florida baptists site has the old corner bank fenced off, too.   Is that going to be part of the redevelopment project?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on January 26, 2019, 01:52:46 PM

I get the desire for focus but real conversations have tangents all the time.    Kerry's experience is important to remember when talking about options.  There are wonderful things about old houses.  But they have a lot of negatives too.   



The Florida baptists site has the old corner bank fenced off, too.   Is that going to be part of the redevelopment project?

It's the entire block.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on January 29, 2019, 02:54:55 PM
thanks
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: sanmarcomatt on February 07, 2019, 12:03:52 PM
I see demo has begun. Good riddance. I have always hated this building. Perhaps if I was directing a zombie movie, I might have felt differently about it.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: vicupstate on February 07, 2019, 12:19:02 PM
I see demo has begun. Good riddance. I have always hated this building. Perhaps if I was directing a zombie movie, I might have felt differently about it.

Yeah, a blank wall built right up to the street and tacky, cheap looking panels on the other walls.  Definitely won't be missed.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: Tacachale on February 07, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
I actually liked the building, although its street interaction was terrible. But you can't save everything, and demolition to replace it with something that interacts better is a win-win.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on March 17, 2019, 12:23:12 PM
I see demo has begun. Good riddance. I have always hated this building. Perhaps if I was directing a zombie movie, I might have felt differently about it.

 :D :D :D :D

They tore the last of it down yesterday. 


https://www.instagram.com/p/BvHapYdnB9m/?hl=en

Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: FlaBoy on August 02, 2019, 12:31:47 PM
Any movement on this one or should we look forward to an empty lot for awhile?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on November 11, 2019, 01:40:30 PM
Not sure but recent news is that REDDI ARTS property is under contract. Anyone have a clue as to WHO is buying it or future plans?
If so please share.....
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: sanmarcomatt on November 11, 2019, 01:56:08 PM
Not sure but recent news is that REDDI ARTS property is under contract. Anyone have a clue as to WHO is buying it or future plans?
If so please share.....

No clue but I think there was an article about the owner of ReddiArts retiring and selling the building a couple of weeks ago. I think he is trying to sell the business separately from the building.

That is a big piece of property....interesting possibilities.
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: MusicMan on November 11, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
Absolutely, but probably not for residential. There's a crowded market in San Marco now and into the immediate future for residential.  As I understand it there is a "plume" underground (some type of HAZMAT) where the pet place is next door that travels toward I 95
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: 77danj7 on November 12, 2019, 02:21:22 PM
Absolutely, but probably not for residential. There's a crowded market in San Marco now and into the immediate future for residential.  As I understand it there is a "plume" underground (some type of HAZMAT) where the pet place is next door that travels toward I 95

So is my dog getting poisoned at the Dogtopia?
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: acme54321 on November 13, 2019, 10:11:13 AM
Back on topic, still silent on the Baptist Site front?  It would be really nice to see some action on this one!
Title: Re: San Marco's Florida Baptist site to become apartments
Post by: bl8jaxnative on January 17, 2020, 10:43:39 AM
Nothing this year so far.