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Title: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on November 14, 2015, 02:25:02 AM
Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes

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Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: FSBA on November 14, 2015, 04:21:31 AM
Good stuff. The picture showing the Gator Bowl, Coliseum, and Wolfson Park really hit home how much the area has been transformed. That picture is ~25 years old and close to 90% of the building pictures have been razed.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: Jason on November 16, 2015, 08:57:20 AM
^ I was thinking the same thing.

Very nice article, too!
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: mbwright on November 17, 2015, 08:18:33 AM
There was also the Jacksonville Barracudas hockey for a while at the arena from 2002-07.   The managing company said it was too much trouble to maintain ice, and do floor changes for other events, among other reasons.  There was a pretty dedicated but small fan base.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: pierre on November 17, 2015, 11:15:53 AM
There was also the Jacksonville Barracudas hockey for a while at the arena from 2002-07.   The managing company said it was too much trouble to maintain ice, and do floor changes for other events, among other reasons.  There was a pretty dedicated but small fan base.

The Barracudas games were fun. Not great attendance but it was pretty low level minor league. The Lizard Kings appeared to do well but even they lost millions and eventually moved.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: CCMjax on November 17, 2015, 08:22:13 PM
Good stuff. The picture showing the Gator Bowl, Coliseum, and Wolfson Park really hit home how much the area has been transformed. That picture is ~25 years old and close to 90% of the building pictures have been razed.

Did they demo the gator bowl or just add the upper decks when the Jags came to town?  I don't know I didn't live here then.  It looks like the lower bowl is the same?
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: copperfiend on November 18, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
This is what was kept

(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/12868613.jpg)
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: krazeeboi on November 20, 2015, 11:58:35 AM
The location of Jacksonville's sports venues, not too far outside the CBD, is very akin to the South Philadelphia Sports Complex:

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Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: FSBA on November 21, 2015, 06:49:48 PM
This is what was kept

Actually I think that is showing some of the new construction as well. I believe the only part of the original Gator Bowl was the upper deck that had been built in the mid-80s. The east side of the stadium was completely demoed within weeks of the 93 Gator Bowl.

(http://i.imgur.com/ec53Fq5.jpg)
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: tufsu1 on November 22, 2015, 08:27:49 PM
The location of Jacksonville's sports venues, not too far outside the CBD, is very akin to the South Philadelphia Sports Complex:

except for the part where the Jax. sports complex is about 1 mile from the CBD...while the Philly example is 3-4 miles from the CBD
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on November 22, 2015, 10:53:12 PM
Hard to tell from that pic, but looks even further than 3 to 4 miles
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: JaxJersey-licious on November 22, 2015, 11:16:06 PM
Hard to tell from that pic, but looks even further than 3 to 4 miles

No, the Link is about 4 miles from Center City. Imagine if the old Gator Bowl was 4 miles further away from downtown and in 1993 the new owner of the Jax NFL franchise ordered the city to build a new stadium, what would be the ideal location at the time? Or how about now? 
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: I-10east on November 23, 2015, 06:26:09 AM
Eh, the infrastructure is already there. Why build the stadium more miles away from the sports complex? 
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: CCMjax on November 23, 2015, 07:16:47 AM
I think the current location is the best location for the stadium, especially with the arena and baseball stadium right there as well.  I have walked from downtown to the stadiums and it's not that bad.  It has it's own district but yet close enough to DT to feel connected.  I think it's one thing the city of Jacksonville actually got right.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: FSBA on November 24, 2015, 09:21:13 PM
Hard to tell from that pic, but looks even further than 3 to 4 miles

No, the Link is about 4 miles from Center City. Imagine if the old Gator Bowl was 4 miles further away from downtown and in 1993 the new owner of the Jax NFL franchise ordered the city to build a new stadium, what would be the ideal location at the time? Or how about now?

Give it 10 years or so, I won't be shocked if Kahn demands a stadium be built somewhere off 95 & 295 on the Duval/St. Johns county line.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: I-10east on November 24, 2015, 09:53:37 PM
Give it 10 years or so, I won't be shocked if Kahn demands a stadium be built somewhere off 95 & 295 on the Duval/St. Johns county line.

Not gonna happen. We are not Atlanta, and this isn't a Turner Field situation; Up there is much much much more crime infested (comparing those stadium's areas respectively). For the most part, the NFL teams that go suburban with stadiums are because of acreage issues (not enough land in the urban area of usually a big city). From what I hear the Candlestick area is very ghetto, something that not a lot of people talk about; Of course the Niners moved from there to Santa Clara.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: tufsu1 on November 24, 2015, 09:57:30 PM
From what I hear the Candlestick area is very ghetto, something that not a lot of people talk about

that's because you heard wrong
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: I-10east on November 24, 2015, 10:34:20 PM
^^^There wasn't projects across from the old stadium site? Maybe that area's gentrification is now on it's way, but that area has a history of crime. Here's a Huff Post article (below) last year that called Candlestick Point "The poorest neighborhood in San Fran". So maybe you heard wrong. This 'defending every city outside of Jax' nonsense is funny to me, LOL

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/eb-5-san-francisco-shipyards_n_5687158.html
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: tufsu1 on November 25, 2015, 09:18:04 AM
^ Sorry but you may want to look at a map....there is a pretty large hill separating Candlestick from the adjacent neighborhoods

https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco,+CA/@37.7147762,-122.3883494,2048m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x80859a6d00690021:0x4a501367f076adff!6m1!1e1?hl=en

and in the few places where residential is adjacent, it looks like this

https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco,+CA/@37.7107322,-122.3879223,3a,75y,304.12h,100.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stguChXMzw0WIGxJpCQEkxw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtguChXMzw0WIGxJpCQEkxw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D344.35263%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x80859a6d00690021:0x4a501367f076adff!6m1!1e1?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/place/San+Francisco,+CA/@37.717419,-122.3867235,3a,75y,72.23h,96.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYUGhuCBXIEtSHmORZVJphA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYUGhuCBXIEtSHmORZVJphA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D68.337616%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x80859a6d00690021:0x4a501367f076adff!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Not exactly my definition of a ghetto
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: thelakelander on November 25, 2015, 09:34:27 AM
^The problem here is perception. What's considered ghetto in San Francisco would be considered a booming downtown locally. What's considered ghetto in Jax would probably be third world in San Francisco.  Different places...
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: Tacachale on November 25, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
According to people in San Francisco, pretty much all of the east bay is "ghetto", but virtually nothing within San Francisco is.

When we were there last year, I actually heard someone refer to someone refer to some wealthy area on the east as part of "the East Bay of San Francisco", while someone else called the crime-ridden city of Richmond part of "Oakland". My friend who lives there laughed because that rich area was much farther out from San Francisco than either Richmond or Oakland.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: I-10east on November 25, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
Anyway....the people in SF said that it's ghetto so it's ghetto, I'm not gonna play semantics. Crime stats would present an actual representation than looking at pics, because looks can be deceiving. To me Lenox Court looks deceivingly nice from a glance here in Jax, but by me actually formerly living there, I know that it is far from the truth.
Title: Re: Where Jacksonville Scores: The Sports Complexes
Post by: spuwho on November 25, 2015, 12:24:47 PM
Anyway....the people in SF said that it's ghetto so it's ghetto, I'm not gonna play semantics. Crime stats would present an actual representation than looking at pics, because looks can be deceiving. To me Lenox Court looks deceivingly nice from a glance here in Jax, but by me actually formerly living there, I know that it is far from the truth.

I agree in some respect. California is odd in that some neighborhoods can look as suburban or well kept as any other but yet have some of the higher crime rates.

Also because of the terrain, you can have an extremely wealthy gated community, and right over a hill, a crime ridden neighborhood, all in the same zip code.