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Jacksonville by Neighborhood => Downtown => Topic started by: thelakelander on November 13, 2014, 05:43:48 PM

Title: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 13, 2014, 05:43:48 PM
I wonder if this project will go up on the land between 220 Riverside and Fresh Market?

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Hallmark Partners' development plans for the second phase of 220 Riverside will be underway following City Council approval of tax rebates.

Legislation asking for council signoff was filed this week after the Downtown Investment Authority approved the plan Oct. 22.

The incentive package would grant a rebate of about $7 million over 20 years — 75 percent of the $9.3 million the project is estimated to generate in property taxes.

The building will consist of approximately 223 units, 18,000 square feet of retail space and 318 structured parking spaces, according to a resolution by the city.

Hallmark Partners estimates the development will cost about $42 million.

Full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2014/11/13/second-phase-of-220-riverside-is-in-the-works.html
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: jaxjaguar on November 13, 2014, 06:05:11 PM
If so it would have to go vertical... that lot isn't very large. It would actually be pretty awesome to have a tall building there to fill in the skyline a little more / add some more depth on that side of Riverside avenue. For 233 units of that size  + parking garage underneath it would have to be approx 20-25 stories.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: ProjectMaximus on November 13, 2014, 07:27:15 PM
Lake, that is indeed the parcel that about a year ago I heard was to be the future site of a parking garage. So I imagine yes.

Had no idea they were considering adding so many units. Does this mean they're actually leasing well in the first phase? My parents said Brooklyn-Riverside construction seems to have halted...
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: edjax on November 13, 2014, 07:34:33 PM
Per story on Daily Record it is indeed 200 Riverside,,which I believe would have to be the parcel between 220 and Fresh Market.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Captain Zissou on November 13, 2014, 07:39:48 PM
I was staring at this parcel yesterday and wondering when they would announce plans to develop it. I'm glad I didn't have to wait very long. I was thinking it would be about 10 stories, but to fit everything mentioned above, it would have to be quite tall. If Beacon Riverside's sales are progressing, there could be a 2 tower cranes going up in a small space in the near future!
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Tacachale on November 13, 2014, 07:48:53 PM
Wait, which spot is this?
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 13, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
The vacant lot north of 220 Riverside and South of the Fresh Market shopping center.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: jaxjags on November 13, 2014, 10:04:39 PM
Look at google satellite view compared to Riverside 220. Probably not 25 stories but with retail and garage maybe 14 stories or so.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 13, 2014, 11:25:12 PM
^My guess would be no more then 10. I can't wait to see what they have in mind.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Noone on November 14, 2014, 05:46:19 AM
I was at the 10/22/14 DIA Board meeting and 200 Riverside Avenue Project was agenda item II.B. Under Action Items which (Requires DIA Action and or approval)

So  lets remember kids that there are never any handouts for the Public and in fact after a few pictures on the screen the DIA Board members were being given the information for the first time at this presentation. DIA Board member Jack Meeks and I'm just paraphrasing but made the comment that he is a CPA and to be given this information right now and you want me to vote on it right now I believe that I have a little bit more of a fiduciary responsibility. Go get'm Jack! Others had some questions and concerns.

As Joe Q. Public in the peanut gallery it seems the emergency to move this forward is in the parking garage and the multiple options that happen if it doesn't happen. So make it happen and after some discussion CEO of the DIA Aundra Wallace chimed in and again just paraphrasing "That's why I make the big bucks!" That may be a little too much paraphrasing on my part. But after assuring the DIA Board members that this is the best thing that we can do after kicking the Baltimore guys out of Downtown it did happen.

I was there for a yet to be voted on outstanding DIA resolution on 2014-305 Docking Rules and Penalties and asking for a simple amendment. Aundra was going to reach out to Jim Love and councilman John Crescimbeni. Did it happen?

I sat next to Carla Miller at the 11/4/14 Finance agenda meeting on 2014-305 she was there for 2014-668 and Jack Shad was there two seats down for 2014-665. I filled out a speaker card for 2014-305 and was never recognized at the Finance committee meeting. In fact I went over and spoke with Capt. Jim Suber the COJ Waterways Coordinator for the city of Jacksonville and he had the super duper secret Downtown Docking zone map that has not been shown in any media outlet other than MJ. At the full 11/12/14 Jacksonville city council meeting 2014-305 and 2014-668 were both passed. I believe 2014-665 and that has to do with Uber and Lift is still in committee. So the point is that 2014-305 doesn't have to come back to the DIA Board and any concerns that a Board member might of had is just too bad. HEY! I'm thinking of getting a Christmas card for the Baltimore guys. Anyone want to sign it? I'm serious.

So the moral of any DIA Board meeting is Pick and Choose the winners and Losers.

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On a side note. Did anyone attend the Community First FIND subcommittee meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission? We are so LOST. Backroom deals.

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Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: funwithteeth on November 14, 2014, 10:51:04 AM
Thinking about crunching some numbers and seeing what percentage of Noone's posts about kayaking and the Waterways Commission appear in threads that have nothing to do with kayaking or the Waterways Commission.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Dapperdan on November 14, 2014, 10:54:57 AM
Hallmark says it will be a mirror image of their first building and  will make it look like one big building. So, same height as the current one in construction.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=544314
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Dapperdan on November 14, 2014, 10:59:49 AM
So, for the next 2 years, new residents at 220 get to hear hammers and saws all day.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Captain Zissou on November 14, 2014, 11:10:09 AM
That's a little disappointing. The added density is still a plus for the area, but I'd like to see something a little taller and architecturally different.  I'm glad that things are going so well for Hallmark. Their continued success bodes well for downtown and the surrounding neighborhoods. As Simms has often said, they're the one game in town that is really making an effort to build up the core (other than Atkins, but their results are yet to be seen).
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Dapperdan on November 14, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
I kind of wish there was some condos somewhere in that mix. All apartments is a little disappointing as well. I am sure some people would love to own something there.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: edjax on November 14, 2014, 11:23:39 AM
Thinking about crunching some numbers and seeing what percentage of Noone's posts about kayaking and the Waterways Commission appear in threads that have nothing to do with kayaking or the Waterways Commission.

It could be called an Annoyance Factor. 
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: acme54321 on November 14, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
Thinking about crunching some numbers and seeing what percentage of Noone's posts about kayaking and the Waterways Commission appear in threads that have nothing to do with kayaking or the Waterways Commission.

It could be called an Annoyance Factor.

+1
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 14, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
So, for the next 2 years, new residents at 220 get to hear hammers and saws all day.

The sound of progress, potential and a vibrant future. Much better than crickets, wrecking balls, and zombies eating the few people remaining in an abandoned city. :)
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: jaxjaguar on November 14, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
Hallmark says it will be a mirror image of their first building and  will make it look like one big building. So, same height as the current one in construction.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=544314

It says it'll look the same, as in same design and colors, but I highly doubt they'll be able to fit that amount of units into a building the same height... Especially considering how much smaller that plot is
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: jcjohnpaint on November 14, 2014, 01:31:30 PM
I agree, unless the next building's windows will be an inch from the preexisting windows.  I would say they will have to add some floors. 
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Gamblor on November 14, 2014, 02:50:11 PM
Thinking about crunching some numbers and seeing what percentage of Noone's posts about kayaking and the Waterways Commission appear in threads that have nothing to do with kayaking or the Waterways Commission.

It could be called an Annoyance Factor.

+1

I bet 98%
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: pierre on November 14, 2014, 03:40:14 PM
Thinking about crunching some numbers and seeing what percentage of Noone's posts about kayaking and the Waterways Commission appear in threads that have nothing to do with kayaking or the Waterways Commission.

It could be called an Annoyance Factor.

+1

I bet 98%

Thats low
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Noone on November 14, 2014, 04:27:09 PM
Thinking about crunching some numbers and seeing what percentage of Noone's posts about kayaking and the Waterways Commission appear in threads that have nothing to do with kayaking or the Waterways Commission.

It could be called an Annoyance Factor.

+1

I bet 98%

Thats low

The legislation is 2014-748 and it seems to be the only piece of legislation that wasn't given a Public Hearing date. It was mentioned at the 10/22/14 DIA Board meeting that they wanted the council to pass the pension legislation and that could be one explanation. That is a 50/50 bet.

I love MJ
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: simms3 on November 14, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
So, for the next 2 years, new residents at 220 get to hear hammers and saws all day.

Really?  If the building is truly filled with 20s/30 somethings, then nobody will be in their apartment during daytime construction anyway.  Also, sounds of progress are better than nothing at all - still going to be a lot quieter on average than living in a big city.  I'm currently sandwiched between 2 tower cranes myself in a mostly residential area of +/- 5-10 story buildings where the street noises and the noises of people breathing/having sex/parties in my own building are far louder than any beep beeps of cranes/workers on-site nearby.  Exciting to walk by the new buildings taking over underused lots (not exciting that my favorite/next-door family-owned sports store of 60 years Lombardi's is closing by 12/31 to make way for a new condo building...blah).
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: I-10east on November 14, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
The sound of progress, potential and a vibrant future. Much better than crickets, wrecking balls, and zombies eating the few people remaining in an abandoned city. :)

Bingo!!!

Concerning future Jax highrises, I would prefer the see them concentrated specifically in downtown's Northbank adding to the main skyline, opposed to the Southbank and Riverside.

Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: brainstormer on November 14, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2014/07/exclusive-contractor-named-for-42m-downtown.html

Ok. So I read the article that it might look similar to 220 Riverside. My issue is that for the same amount of money, Orlando is getting this. Would a different look not add some flavor to the area? A tower would give people some awesome views of the river and downtown.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 14, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
^That's a nice looking tower. With that said, I'm not complaining about 220 Riverside's design.  It's a step up from what we've traditionally seen in Jax.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: iMarvin on November 15, 2014, 12:35:27 AM
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/2014/07/exclusive-contractor-named-for-42m-downtown.html

Ok. So I read the article that it might look similar to 220 Riverside. My issue is that for the same amount of money, Orlando is getting this. Would a different look not add some flavor to the area? A tower would give people some awesome views of the river and downtown.

This tower has almost the same amount of units/parking and is going to be 23 stories on a similar sized lot. I don't see how Hallmark is going to be able to fit all that in a <10 story tower.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: ProjectMaximus on November 15, 2014, 02:01:13 AM
Agree the Orlando tower looks cool.

JaxGIS shows the land directly east of 220 Riverside named "200 Riverside Avenue LLP" contains two parcels of 1.22 acres and .49 acres, totaling 1.71 acres. The Orlando article states that tower is on a .7 acre parcel. For what it's worth, that's potentially 244% larger land area.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Noone on November 15, 2014, 05:51:18 AM
^Good post. That Orlando tower is signature.

Stay positive. Unity Plaza is not just a retention pond. The future potential 24/7 drinking options that will be coming to this area.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Coolyfett on November 15, 2014, 07:39:48 AM
Is Brooklyn in the house!?
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: tlemans on November 15, 2014, 09:59:28 AM
Any word on what restaurants or retail will be going in at 220 Riverside?

Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 15, 2014, 10:14:53 AM
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Kevin Sbraga, a celebrity chef and winner of Bravo’s “Top Chef” season seven, will open his first restaurant outside of Philadelphia at 220 Riverside, which is under development in the Brooklyn area of Downtown.

^ http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2014/07/30/celebrity-chef-coming-to-220-riverside.html?page=all

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=543552
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: jaxjaguar on November 15, 2014, 07:23:07 PM
Agree the Orlando tower looks cool.

JaxGIS shows the land directly east of 220 Riverside named "200 Riverside Avenue LLP" contains two parcels of 1.22 acres and .49 acres, totaling 1.71 acres. The Orlando article states that tower is on a .7 acre parcel. For what it's worth, that's potentially 244% larger land area.

Blue areas are currently being developed, red has houses on it where the owners are asking a ridiculous $1million per house, yellow is available to be developed... I'm predicting at least 20 stories.


(http://imgur.com/zHzWahI)
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 15, 2014, 07:49:29 PM
^Here you go!

(http://i.imgur.com/zHzWahI.jpg)

There's also a hotel proposed for the block of Magnolia, between Dora and Price. If I were the owners of one of those three houses on Magnolia, I wouldn't sell.  If you want to enjoy the revitalized district that has been promised to neighborhood residents for decades, then don't move or sell to the first traveling bible salesman.

I'd fix my shotgun up, start enjoying the benefits that millennials across the street are paying high rents for, while letting the rest of the neighborhood redevelop and increase in value right around me. That's a wealth come up like a mofo.

Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: duvaldude08 on November 15, 2014, 09:49:52 PM
Lake, that is indeed the parcel that about a year ago I heard was to be the future site of a parking garage. So I imagine yes.

Had no idea they were considering adding so many units. Does this mean they're actually leasing well in the first phase? My parents said Brooklyn-Riverside construction seems to have halted...

I pass by everyday on the way to work. Construction is still on going.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 15, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Yeah. I drove by today and saw construction activity at the Brooklyn Riverside development.
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: ProjectMaximus on November 15, 2014, 10:08:03 PM
Agree the Orlando tower looks cool.

JaxGIS shows the land directly east of 220 Riverside named "200 Riverside Avenue LLP" contains two parcels of 1.22 acres and .49 acres, totaling 1.71 acres. The Orlando article states that tower is on a .7 acre parcel. For what it's worth, that's potentially 244% larger land area.

Blue areas are currently being developed, red has houses on it where the owners are asking a ridiculous $1million per house, yellow is available to be developed... I'm predicting at least 20 stories.


(http://imgur.com/zHzWahI)

The yellow area is 1.71 acres according to GIS. That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, there's a cleared lot for sale in the red area that I called to inquire about a few months ago. Guy told me they are asking 1 million bucks and had a few offers already. I laughed and hung up.

Lake, that is indeed the parcel that about a year ago I heard was to be the future site of a parking garage. So I imagine yes.

Had no idea they were considering adding so many units. Does this mean they're actually leasing well in the first phase? My parents said Brooklyn-Riverside construction seems to have halted...

I pass by everyday on the way to work. Construction is still on going.

Yeah, I just got back to town and there's definitely work going on. Not sure what my parents saw but they were probably mistaken.

If I were the owners of one of those three houses on Magnolia, I wouldn't sell.  If you want to enjoy the revitalized district that has been promised to neighborhood residents for decades, then don't move or sell to the first traveling bible salesman.

I'd fix my shotgun up, start enjoying the benefits that millennials across the street are paying high rents for, while letting the rest of the neighborhood redevelop and increase in value right around me. That's a wealth come up like a mofo.

That's the dark side (perhaps) of gentrification. You wouldn't sell, but many people can't afford to fix up their places. Some might not be able to afford the increased property tax each year. And most can't afford to pass up the pay day.

Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: thelakelander on November 15, 2014, 10:17:31 PM
There's a few lots available around Leila and Magnolia.  Anyone know what the asking price is?
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: ProjectMaximus on November 15, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
one hundred billion dollars
Title: Re: 2nd Phase of 220 Riverside Coming Soon
Post by: Noone on May 04, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
^Here you go!

(http://i.imgur.com/zHzWahI.jpg)

There's also a hotel proposed for the block of Magnolia, between Dora and Price. If I were the owners of one of those three houses on Magnolia, I wouldn't sell.  If you want to enjoy the revitalized district that has been promised to neighborhood residents for decades, then don't move or sell to the first traveling bible salesman.

I'd fix my shotgun up, start enjoying the benefits that millennials across the street are paying high rents for, while letting the rest of the neighborhood redevelop and increase in value right around me. That's a wealth come up like a mofo.



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