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Title: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on January 30, 2014, 03:00:01 AM
Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District

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San Marco's Hendricks Avenue continues to emerge as Jacksonville's latest nightlife and dining district. Metro Jacksonville's Major Stephenson provides us with a closer look.

Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-jan-hendricks-avenue-the-next-hot-urban-district
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Noone on January 30, 2014, 04:57:25 AM
Very Positive.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: ben says on January 30, 2014, 07:13:03 AM
What about the new bar across from Aardwolf: The Sidecar?
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: thelakelander on January 30, 2014, 07:21:32 AM
My first time hearing of it. Please do tell more? Will this bar be located in the building next to the new Panera or on the block with Green Erth?
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: ben says on January 30, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
My first time hearing of it. Please do tell more? Will this bar be located in the building next to the new Panera or on the block with Green Erth?

This is all they have up so far. I believe it'll be associated w/ (or attached to) Veloce pizza. Not 100% sure yet. More info to come (it's not my project, but I know the guy whose doing it)
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Bridges on January 30, 2014, 08:04:53 AM
Good article.  Like seeing all the things happening there and in San Marco with the redesign of San Marco Blvd and Balis Park. 

What's funny though is my mindset about walkability.  From Aardwolf to Balis Park is about half a mile.  Just a ten minute walk.  Just a little bit further than Salty Fig to Lola's.  I think a lot has to do with the buffer from the street.  On King St. parking spots buffer you from traffic on the road so it doesn't feel like you're walking so close to traffic and vulnerable. 

I don't know, maybe it's just me. 
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on January 30, 2014, 08:57:13 AM
As a long time patron of San Marco restaurants, stores & movie theater & of course Theater Jacksonville, I'm so happy that they expanded neighborhood is becoming more walkable & urban.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: pierre on January 30, 2014, 08:59:06 AM
Aardwolf is cool but why such an early last call? 11pm on a Saturday night?
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on January 30, 2014, 09:00:03 AM
Though, even with all of this extra retail space, soon the residents of San Marco will grow cranky at the parking issue and eventual run out of retail space, I do hope that people will another look at Edgewood Avenue in Murray Hill!
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: urbanlibertarian on January 30, 2014, 09:05:14 AM
Aardwolf is cool but why such an early last call? 11pm on a Saturday night?

For San Marco residents who work the evening shift the only option is Sherwoods, which is cool and all but can be too smoky for many.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: GreenBear on January 30, 2014, 09:07:21 AM
Cool picture from the Green Lion Festival. Love it.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: thelakelander on January 30, 2014, 09:08:03 AM
Though, even with all of this extra retail space, soon the residents of San Marco will grow cranky at the parking issue and eventual run out of retail space, I do hope that people will another look at Edgewood Avenue in Murray Hill!

There's enough room for all of Jax's older commercial districts to fill up with businesses once again.  The main reason most have fallen is because the urban core's population and density have dropped 50% since 1950. If we can get more of our established neighborhoods to stabilize their population decline and begin to see growth, many storefronts on streets like Main, McDuff, Phoenix, Kings, Myrtle, Edison, Philip Randolph, Moncrief, Edgewood, etc. will naturally see higher occupancy rates, regardless of what takes place in the suburbs and surrounding counties.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: thelakelander on January 30, 2014, 09:14:10 AM
Good article.  Like seeing all the things happening there and in San Marco with the redesign of San Marco Blvd and Balis Park. 

What's funny though is my mindset about walkability.  From Aardwolf to Balis Park is about half a mile.  Just a ten minute walk.  Just a little bit further than Salty Fig to Lola's.  I think a lot has to do with the buffer from the street.  On King St. parking spots buffer you from traffic on the road so it doesn't feel like you're walking so close to traffic and vulnerable. 

I don't know, maybe it's just me. 

They illustrate the importance of context sensitive street design, the mobility fee's priority projects, bike/ped safety and highlight why our roadway design standards should be revamped. Hendricks is definitely a street where the continuous 12' wide center turn lane should have been omitted in the roadway's reconfiguration nearly 10 years ago. Without that center turn lane, there would have been room for wider sidewalks (outdoor dining opportunities) and more parking. Anyway, even now, it's not too late. It can still be "right-sized" by restriping. However, that means we'd have to be willing to give up a lane for cars in favor of the bike and pedestrian experience.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Overstreet on January 30, 2014, 09:20:25 AM
Y'all know the exit ramp from I-95 south to Hendricks Ave is going away with the Overland Bridge Project.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: tufsu1 on January 30, 2014, 09:31:45 AM
Y'all know the exit ramp from I-95 south to Hendricks Ave is going away with the Overland Bridge Project.

yes...starting next week
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Lunican on January 30, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Hmm, that's going to make getting from Springfield/Downtown to San Marco more difficult.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: thelakelander on January 30, 2014, 09:59:08 AM
^One solution would be to extend the Skyway a short distance (less than a half mile) on either end, making it a pretty useful urban core transit line. However, that would involve actually investing in transit, which is a four letter word to many locally.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: thelakelander on January 30, 2014, 10:05:17 AM
Hmm. Like a mobility fee credit adjustment or TIF district.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on January 30, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
Indeed, only real issue that I have with the San Marco district is there lack of safe bike lanes.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: thelakelander on January 30, 2014, 10:25:55 AM
^That's an easy fix. San Marco has a grid, so it already has a number of safer parallel routes a block or so away from major corridors. Also, with a simple change in the city's roadway design standards, right-sizing the main streets can be done quickly. The major issue San Marco's streets face are the same faced by other neighborhoods.  Change eventually has to be implemented through City Hall for some of these things to become reality.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 30, 2014, 10:32:03 AM
Y'all know the exit ramp from I-95 south to Hendricks Ave is going away with the Overland Bridge Project.

On my commute home yesterday I noticed that they are starting to build up the wall for the roadway just west of Hendricks. It's about 50 yards south of the current traffic lanes. Will I-95 really be that wide when the project is finished?? That's like 120 yards of roadway.

In response to Bridges comment, I agree that A-wolf feels much farther from the square than it is. It wasn't until I started doing the weekly run at the brewery that I realized how easy that walk is. I blame lighting, the lack of a continuous sight line, and the higher speed of traffic for why the walk seems longer. While running along Hendricks, I have almost been hit by 2 cars who weren't looking for pedestrians. Both times I had the right of way.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: acme54321 on January 30, 2014, 10:54:13 AM
Y'all know the exit ramp from I-95 south to Hendricks Ave is going away with the Overland Bridge Project.

On my commute home yesterday I noticed that they are starting to build up the wall for the roadway just west of Hendricks. It's about 50 yards south of the current traffic lanes. Will I-95 really be that wide when the project is finished?? That's like 120 yards of roadway.

In response to Bridges comment, I agree that A-wolf feels much farther from the square than it is. It wasn't until I started doing the weekly run at the brewery that I realized how easy that walk is. I blame lighting, the lack of a continuous sight line, and the higher speed of traffic for why the walk seems longer. While running along Hendricks, I have almost been hit by 2 cars who weren't looking for pedestrians. Both times I had the right of way.

I noticed this too, and the answer is yes.  It is going to be 15 lanes wide through that part.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: jaxinatl on January 31, 2014, 09:25:19 AM
As a Jax native who lives in Atl, I have always said this road(area)  should become an urban district. It could connect San Marco with the Southbank and downtown.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: jaxlore on January 31, 2014, 12:44:09 PM
No mention of Jack Rabbits? While the interior of that place kills me they have had have some of the hands down best underground shows in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: tufsu1 on January 31, 2014, 02:31:47 PM
Y'all know the exit ramp from I-95 south to Hendricks Ave is going away with the Overland Bridge Project.

On my commute home yesterday I noticed that they are starting to build up the wall for the roadway just west of Hendricks. It's about 50 yards south of the current traffic lanes. Will I-95 really be that wide when the project is finished?? That's like 120 yards of roadway.

that's nothing compared with the widening on I-275 through the Westshore part of Tampa right now...or for that matter, the reconstruction of I-4 through Orlando that will get started next year
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: peestandingup on January 31, 2014, 02:51:38 PM
Its great if you like a place that's nothing but restaurants & bars, but it needs more of a human feel (like a park, general places to chill, etc). Right now it feels like a suburban/urban mishmash. Most of San Marco has always struck me as that.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Tacachale on January 31, 2014, 04:09:50 PM
Y'all know the exit ramp from I-95 south to Hendricks Ave is going away with the Overland Bridge Project.

On my commute home yesterday I noticed that they are starting to build up the wall for the roadway just west of Hendricks. It's about 50 yards south of the current traffic lanes. Will I-95 really be that wide when the project is finished?? That's like 120 yards of roadway.

In response to Bridges comment, I agree that A-wolf feels much farther from the square than it is. It wasn't until I started doing the weekly run at the brewery that I realized how easy that walk is. I blame lighting, the lack of a continuous sight line, and the higher speed of traffic for why the walk seems longer. While running along Hendricks, I have almost been hit by 2 cars who weren't looking for pedestrians. Both times I had the right of way.

I think another thing that contributes to this is that Hendricks feels disconnected from the square. North of Atlantic, it's really not until you get to the Landon intersection that there's any more street-facing storefronts, and that's nearly a quarter mile away. I think some of the upcoming projects (East San Marco, the building across the street, and the planned building at 1917 Hendricks) will do a lot to change that. There will probably also be more demand for street parking, too, which may give some incentive for restriping.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: urbaknight on February 01, 2014, 11:18:39 AM
^ But if they make mass-transit work well there'd be little need for extra parking. But the really difficult thing would be convincing the general populous that they're not too good to ride it.

On another note, does Hurricanes still do the 50 cent wings on Mondays? They have a great variety of flavors. I really like the rasberry glazed wings, such a weird flavor to think of, but really excellent taste!
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: tufsu1 on February 01, 2014, 12:17:56 PM
On another note, does Hurricanes still do the 50 cent wings on Mondays? They have a great variety of flavors. I really like the rasberry glazed wings, such a weird flavor to think of, but really excellent taste!

yes
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Know Growth on February 01, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
........ I do hope that people will another look at Edgewood Avenue in Murray Hill!


Maybe some day San Marco folk will be drawn to Murray Hill

That's why parking is so important
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: RockStar on February 02, 2014, 01:29:47 PM
No mention of Jack Rabbits? While the interior of that place kills me they have had have some of the hands down best underground shows in Jacksonville.

Don't know when you were in there last, but they've done a pretty solid job revamping and updating it. No smoking inside anymore either....I think. Either way, heads and tails about where it started.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: mtraininjax on February 02, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
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If we can get more of our established neighborhoods to stabilize their population decline and begin to see growth, many storefronts on streets like Main, McDuff, Phoenix, Kings, Myrtle, Edison, Philip Randolph, Moncrief, Edgewood, etc. will naturally see higher occupancy rates, regardless of what takes place in the suburbs and surrounding counties.

Need to slow the traffic down, like they have done on San Marco Blvd with the roundabout and general feel of a slower area. Hendricks is a straight road for the most part from Prudential Drive to Balis Park, sure there are some lights but most people don't really have to pay attention to curves in the road along this path. It feels like its a speedway compared to San Marco Blvd. If you can slow down the cars, I think you can accomplish what you are trying to do in the quote above.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2014, 03:32:35 PM
No mention of Jack Rabbits? While the interior of that place kills me they have had have some of the hands down best underground shows in Jacksonville.

Don't know when you were in there last, but they've done a pretty solid job revamping and updating it. No smoking inside anymore either....I think. Either way, heads and tails about where it started.

I think the impression that most people get who haven't been in there is based on the exterior. Not exactly awe-inspiring
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: mtraininjax on February 03, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
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I think the impression that most people get who haven't been in there is based on the exterior. Not exactly awe-inspiring

Neither was the old Shell Station in Historic Avondale, but somehow they found a way to tear it down. San Marco not a historic district, that whole row of businesses, including the rabbit, could be torn down without so much as a protest.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: sanmarcomatt on May 24, 2018, 08:45:01 AM
With the recent Publix only East San Marco and Home Street Apt news, I thought this was a good thread to revisit. No density additions has slowed the momentum but I am still very pleased with the progress of this stretch and feel it has a shot to reach its potential. Kings ave and Atlantic east of the square I expect to contribute nicely as well.

As now a 'long time" San Marco resident, and someone who walks/bikes/drives it daily at different times, the various small additions have really added up. While I  certainly wouldn't call it vibrant, the difference of pedestrian activity compared to the dead zone of 5 years ago is encouraging.

With the completion of MD Anderson/Overland/Broad Stone and hopefully Publix/Home Street being built, plus the River Place road diet, we should see some momentum. If(a big if) the Baptist Convention center development could be built, I would think that would be the key to having Hendricks finally be a nice link from San Marco Square to the South Bank.

Of course it is Urban Jax, so what are the odds I bump this thread in 5 years and wonder if the Shell of Home Street will ever be finished and why is East San Marco is still a "park"?




Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: MusicMan on May 24, 2018, 12:04:55 PM
I am aware that the old Morton's Steakhouse near The Peninsula is under contract to physicians. They will be converting it into medical offices. Closing should be pretty soon.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: jaxnyc79 on May 24, 2018, 12:19:26 PM
I am aware that the old Morton's Steakhouse near The Peninsula is under contract to physicians. They will be converting it into medical offices. Closing should be pretty soon.

That's too bad.  I was sort of hoping that lot could be "urbanized."  The old Morton's structure looks as though it belongs in Baymeadows and not downtown.  Such prime property in the core would ideally have a much more intense use, and a far more pedestrian accessible design.  More apartments with physicians' offices on the ground floor.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: MusicMan on May 24, 2018, 12:26:16 PM
It sat FOR SALE for 6 years.   First contract to make it through due diligence.....

Anyway, down the road it is zoned for a 5 or 6 story tower there, so you may some day get your wish.
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: sanmarcomatt on May 24, 2018, 12:32:52 PM
I am aware that the old Morton's Steakhouse near The Peninsula is under contract to physicians. They will be converting it into medical offices. Closing should be pretty soon.

That's too bad.  I was sort of hoping that lot could be "urbanized."  The old Morton's structure looks as though it belongs in Baymeadows and not downtown.  Such prime property in the core would ideally have a much more intense use, and a far more pedestrian accessible design.  More apartments with physicians' offices on the ground floor.

Love the thinking but let me tell you a story.

There once was a magical place called East San Marco......
Title: Re: Hendricks Avenue: The Next Hot Urban District
Post by: marcuscnelson on May 24, 2018, 06:11:47 PM
I am aware that the old Morton's Steakhouse near The Peninsula is under contract to physicians. They will be converting it into medical offices. Closing should be pretty soon.

That's too bad.  I was sort of hoping that lot could be "urbanized."  The old Morton's structure looks as though it belongs in Baymeadows and not downtown.  Such prime property in the core would ideally have a much more intense use, and a far more pedestrian accessible design.  More apartments with physicians' offices on the ground floor.

Love the thinking but let me tell you a story.

There once was a magical place called East San Marco......

Is it not a story the Jedi would tell?