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Title: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: stephendare on April 08, 2008, 10:21:50 AM
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/243
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 10:56:20 AM
i like al gore a lot more now than when he tried to steal the election in 2000.  he seems much more sincere.  i saw on tv (60 minutes) the other day that his net worth was only $2million when he ran for president!!! isn't that crazy????  i believe their NW now is around $50 million.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 12:20:19 PM
Yes.  I have a lot higher opinion of Gore's intellect now than I did in 2000.  The way he was able to parlay this global warming nonsense into tens of millions of dollars is nothing short of amazing.  Now he and the Clintons (who have made more than $100 million since leaving office) are part of the evil rich whom they used to revile. 
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 01:49:01 PM
What would the US and Jacksonville have looked like right now if he was the president for the last 8 years???!!
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: downtownparks on April 08, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
Thats actually a great question.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 02:06:45 PM
Thats actually a great question.
i think Saddam would still be the dictator of Iraq.  I think quite possibly he could've by now partnered with Iran and/or N. Korea and not only attacked other middle east countries - but that he would've attacked us again!!!

i think there would be more seals alive in canada, as i bet mr. gore would've used his bully pulpit to pressure canada to more aggressively limit the killing of the seals up there.

and lastly, i bet there would be a happier media.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 02:16:31 PM
Maybe Iraq would still have a dictator, you are absolutely right yes...but maybe just maybe one of the following dictatorships would have been gone:
Saudi Arabia
Central African Republic
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Guinea-Bissau
Guinea
Angola
United Arab Emirates
Tajikistan
Zimbabwe
Bhutan
Gabon
Oman
Qatar
And the list goes on and on and on. These are all countries with a totalitarian regime which have experienced an increase in arms trade from the US in the last 8 years!. So please do not tell me that we are against dictatorship!
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 02:17:59 PM
UM!!! what do you think Iraq was Beloki!!!  I mean, we can't solve all the problems in the world, not all at once anyway!!!!!!!

btw, who the hell has ever heard of "Gabon" anyway??? 
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 02:29:30 PM

We went to Iraq because we believed they were a danger to the west, nothing more nothing less. Don't compliment ourselves for removing a tiran when we are supporting them just as hard in other parts of the world.

And about Gabon; they are very big in oil. Looking at your Gate avatar I would have guessed you knew......
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: Midway ® on April 08, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Thats actually a great question.
i think Saddam would still be the dictator of Iraq.  I think quite possibly he could've by now partnered with Iran and/or N. Korea and not only attacked other middle east countries - but that he would've attacked us again!!!

i think there would be more seals alive in canada, as i bet mr. gore would've used his bully pulpit to pressure canada to more aggressively limit the killing of the seals up there.

and lastly, i bet there would be a happier media.


Let me remind you that Saddam was at war with Iran for in excess of 10 years, they were sworn enemies to the death. Tens of thousands of people died on both sides during that war. Somehow, I don't think that they were going to be working together anytime soon.

Now that the US has installed a Shiite government in Iraq, Iran HAS hit the jackpot, read the following article for a little background:

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How Iran Is Winning Iraq

By David Ignatius
Friday, December 17, 2004; Page A33

If you had asked an intelligence analyst two years ago to describe the worst possible political outcome following an American invasion of Iraq, he might well have answered that it would be a regime dominated by conservative Shiite Muslim clerics with links to neighboring Iran. But just such a regime now seems likely to emerge after Iraq's Jan. 30 elections.

Iran is about to hit the jackpot in Iraq, wagering the blood and treasure of the United States. Last week an alliance of Iraqi Shiite leaders announced that its list of candidates will be headed by Abdul Aziz Hakim, the clerical leader of the Iranian-backed Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. This Shiite list, backed by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, is likely to be the favorite of Iraq's 60 percent Shiite majority and win the largest share of votes next month.

 Wary of trusting Iraqi Shiites to manage the campaign, the Iranian intelligence service has been pumping millions of dollars and hundreds of operatives into the country. The Iranians have also recruited assassination squads to kill potential Iraqi rivals, according to several Iraqi officials. One Iraqi Shiite tells me the Iranians view the hit teams as a kind of "insurance policy" to make sure they prevail, even if the U.S.-backed election process should fail.

Iraqis who aren't part of the Shiite religious juggernaut are frightened by what's happening. The Iraqi interim defense minister, Hazim Shalan, this week described the Shiite political alliance as an "Iranian list" created by those who wanted "turbaned clerics to rule" in Iraq. Shalan is no saint himself -- like interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, he was once part of Saddam Hussein's Baathist network. But he and Allawi speak for many millions of Iraqis who don't want to see an Iran-leaning clerical government but are powerless to stop it.

Senior U.S. commanders in Iraq had hoped Allawi's slate would win in January, but they are beginning to assess the consequences of Shiite victory. Not only would it empower the mullahs, it would alienate Iraq's 20 percent Sunni Arab population, who mostly won't be able to vote next month because of the continuing wave of terrorism in Sunni areas. As sectarian tensions increase, post-election, so will the danger of a real civil war. What will become of the U.S. military mission in Iraq? Will we really arm one group of Iraqis in a sectarian conflict against another?

Given the stakes for the United States in these elections, you might think we would quietly be trying to influence the outcome. But I am told that congressional insistence that the Iraqi elections be "democratic" has blocked any covert efforts to help America's allies. That may make sense to ethicists in San Francisco, but how about to the U.S. troops on the ground?

I talked by telephone this week to a Sunni tribal leader from Ramadi who, in a more rational world, would be one of the building blocks of a new Iraq. His name is Talal Gaaod, and his father is a leading sheik in the Duleim tribe, which has power in what has become known as the Sunni Triangle, west of Baghdad. Gaaod, who earned his undergraduate and master's degrees at the University of Southern California, has tried various ways to help stabilize his area. He proposed a tribal security force in Anbar province earlier this year that was backed by local Marine commanders but later vetoed in Baghdad. Encouraged by Jordan, he brought about 50 Iraqi Sunni leaders to Amman in November to discuss Iraq's problems. But the Jordanians canceled the meeting after the U.S. offensive in Fallujah began. He wants to believe the United States can create a better Iraq, but he's losing hope.

"It is a miserable situation," Gaaod told me. "My people feel that Iraq is going into a deep hole. Things are not improving but getting worse. A lot of good people are leaving the country -- I'm talking about technocrats, tribal leaders, the middle class. I blame the United States for giving the clergy a front to lead events in Iraq. I am sure you will regret this one day. It will not work. One hundred years from now, it will not work."

Iraq's Shiite majority deserves its day in the sun, after decades of oppression, and the January elections should endorse the reality of majority rule. But future historians will wonder how it happened that the United States came halfway around the world, suffered more than 1,200 dead and spent $200 billion to help install an Iraqi government whose key leaders were trained in Iran. Our Iraq policy may be full of good intentions, but in terms of strategy, it is a riderless horse.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6395-2004Dec16.html

This is from 3 years ago. Tell me how things have improved.

Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 03:47:30 PM
at least saddam doesn't rule everything with an iron fist now!!!
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 04:31:58 PM
What would the US and Jacksonville have looked like right now if he was the president for the last 8 years???!!

We would be poorer, paying more taxes, would be less free, would be less safe and some of us would be dead.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:34:38 PM
rg is right on - definitely would be paying more taxes.   i know one times-union op-ed writer who would be all for that.  :)

also, u come correct - we would be less safe.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 04:35:57 PM
The world would be in so much better shape.

Actually River, I bet you are impressed with Gores intellect.

It took him 22 seconds to completely demolish the argument about Solar Warming that you spent months and millions of bytes to make.

Not bad.

I suspect that you havent watched the video.  But if you have an ounce of actual objectivity, I would urge you to respond to Gore's point on the subject with the same sincerity and intellectual curiousity that I approached your solar argument.

Actually, the video is 27+ minutes and, as a gainfully employed Republican, I do not have the time to spare watching such drivel.  I did like the rocket ship prop behind Gore at the start of the clip.  How futuristic and far sighted he is.   ::)

And no, I am not impressed with his intellect.  He is a charlatan and snake oil salesman of the first order but not an intellectual.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:37:20 PM
Actually, the video is 27+ minutes and, as a gainfully employed Republican, I do not have the time to spare watching such drivel. 

lol!!!!!  good call.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 04:40:42 PM
Sometimes you might vote for the opposite of what you wish for, 2 examples:

1. Bush is greener than Clinton: US carbon emmisions grew more (absolut numbers and percentage) under 8 years of Clinton than under Bush.
2. Democrats are better for US economy: More manufacturing have left the US to other countries under Bush than under Clinton.

Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:42:10 PM

2. Democrats are better for US economy: More manufacturing have left the US to other countries under Bush than under Clinton.

ya think that MIGHT have a little something to do with the massively rapid industrializing (yet still extremely cheap labor force) of india & china over the last 8 years?  just maybe a small, itsy-bitsy,teeny-tiny bit?
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:43:57 PM
You mean they were expensive in the 90s??  ???

it's called middle class mobilization.  on a grand scale.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 04:45:34 PM
Sometimes you might vote for the opposite of what you wish for, 2 examples:

1. Bush is greener than Clinton: US carbon emmisions grew more (absolut numbers and percentage) under 8 years of Clinton than under Bush.
2. Democrats are better for US economy: More manufacturing have left the US to other countries under Bush than under Clinton.



1.  Bush's personal residence in Texas is much greener than Gore's in Tennessee giving the lie to Gore's pronouncements on GW;
2.  US manufacturing output is higher than ever, if I recall correctly.  It is only the number of manufacturing jobs which has declined, a phenomenon that occurs usually due to increases in productivity and mechanization of factories.  BTW, the number of manufacturing jobs in China has been reduced for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 04:46:01 PM
You mean they were expensive in the 90s??  ???

it's called middle class mobilization.  on a grand scale.

Which was created first? the chicken or the egg?
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:47:00 PM
Sometimes you might vote for the opposite of what you wish for, 2 examples:

1. Bush is greener than Clinton: US carbon emmisions grew more (absolut numbers and percentage) under 8 years of Clinton than under Bush.
2. Democrats are better for US economy: More manufacturing have left the US to other countries under Bush than under Clinton.



1.  Bush's personal residence in Texas is much greener than Gore's in Tennessee giving the lie to Gore's pronouncements on GW;
2.  US manufacturing output is higher than ever, if I recall correctly.  It is only the number of manufacturing jobs which has declined, a phenomenon that occurs usually due to increases in productivity and mechanization of factories.  BTW, the number of manufacturing jobs in China has been reduced for similar reasons.

btw...manufacturing slowing down is one of the 3 big leading indicators of a recession...it goes down first and will pick up first...just in time for the new, next president if my prediction comes true.  just all part of the glorious, yet hated by some, capitalist cycle.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
You mean they were expensive in the 90s??  ???

it's called middle class mobilization.  on a grand scale.

Which was created first? the chicken or the egg?

Genesis.  "And God created the chicken."
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 04:52:53 PM
Judges 15, verse 16.
http://kingjbible.com/judges/15.htm

Romans 1, verses 18-32
http://kingjbible.com/romans/1.htm
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 04:56:49 PM
come on now stephen...u know as a born-again, true-believing Baptist, that we are under the new covenant.  and RG - THAT is what you chose to share with us!!!  

btw...why are we using the KJV???   :D

how about this one?

 1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[a]have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. 3Not only so, but we[c] also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
 6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%205;&version=31;
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 04:57:04 PM



Genesis.  "And God created the chicken."


OK, you win!!  ;D

Just for the good order. I am not allowed to vote here since I am not a citizen. I am neither a democrat nor a republican. I just find the whole debate very interesting.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 05:08:46 PM
This is alot like my favorite scene from Blazing Saddles.

http://www.youtube.com/v/R6dm9rN6oTs

Lots of hot air getting blown around, but it all stinks.

And still no substantive response to the post.

Nice.

How about linking us to that portion of the Gore diatribe which attempts to prove how global warming on Mars is not connected to SUVs on Earth?
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 05:15:22 PM
Judges 15, verse 16.
http://kingjbible.com/judges/15.htm

Romans 1, verses 18-32
http://kingjbible.com/romans/1.htm

nice gator.  perfectly in character i see.

 ???
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 05:17:23 PM
Lev. 25:23-24. The land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.

Ezekiel 34:2-4. Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves! Should not the shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you did not take care of the flock! You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.

Ezekiel 34:10. 0 shepherds, hear the word of the Lord. This is what the sovereign Lord says: I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock.

Ezekiel 34:17-18. As for you, my flock... Is it not enough for you to feed on good pasture? Must you also trample the rest of your pasture with your feet? Is it not enough for you to drink clear water? Must you also muddy the rest with your feet?

Jer. 2:7. I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and you made my inheritance detestable.

Luke 16:2,10,13. And He called him and said to him, "What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward. He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous in much. You cannot serve both God and mammon.

James 5:5. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Mark 4:19. ...and the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word and it becomes unfruitful.

Revelation 11:18. The nations were angry and your wrath has come. The time has come for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great - and for destroying those who destroy the earth.

These are also the scriptures River.  They have to do directly with man protecting the world God created for us all.

Now, Im not sure how your homophobia plays into either Al Gore, the Climate Crisis, his demolition of your ONLY reasonable argument for hijacking every global warming thread on this and many other sites, or your professed belief in Christianity, but I thought maybe these Scriptures had escaped your fairly self serving memory.

Who says I am for defiling the Earth?  I am simply not for being fleeced by ALGORE.

And what does homophobia have to do with this? 
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 08, 2008, 05:29:47 PM
Sorry you feel that way.  But, this passage certainly describes the GW philosophy in part:

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18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
http://kingjbible.com/romans/1.htm
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 05:47:19 PM
i vote for #2!!!

ps - can i be a homophobe too!!??!!?!?   and a bigot!!??!?

Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 05:57:32 PM
just move then.  who cares?

PS - Jax is not in south florida.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 06:03:18 PM
frick!  looks like our new baseball stadium might have water in it.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: jaxhater on April 08, 2008, 07:47:32 PM
Well I quess we better start dredging now or I'm going be surfing in Avondale.
No South Beach, no Key West, no Ponce Inlet, Maybe no New York city.
I'm not hanging out in Ohio.
We better do something, now!
Yikes!
Al Gore is a downer for telling us truth!
Thank God he didn't steal the election or we would have been fighting the war on weather.
Although I bet the weather kills more people that the (C.I.A., Neo-con,Terrorists) ever did.
If ony the weather could fly jets into a building, maybe then we would notice its about to kick our ass worse than the (C.I.A., Neo-con, Terrorists).
Btw. worse than water levels is famine, starving can get people really pissed.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: tufsu1 on April 08, 2008, 08:56:01 PM

We would be poorer, paying more taxes, would be less free, would be less safe and some of us would be dead.

Great argument River

From what I've seen, the current administration views less free and less safe as polar opposites...and there are over 4,000 Americas who have given their lives for a (at best) questionable cause!

Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: CRAIG B on April 08, 2008, 09:09:03 PM
Al Gore is an Idiot! 20 years ago it was Global Cooling and now it's Global Warming. This is the biggest hoax played on mankind. It is nothing more than a left wing tax grab.
Carbon Credits, please. Al Gore will have to buy some himself the way he leaves his big butt footprint around. The way he lives tells me he doesn't buy the crap he's putting out.
Most Scientists say that this is nothing but a cycle and that the tempreture has only risen by less than one degree.
 Ask Canadians how warm they were this winter and how much snow they got. In fact it was a record cold year and the most snowfall in almost 100 years. In fact the Arctic ice is now the thickest it's been in a century. Global warming my butt.
Oh and while we are at it. Get rid of this ethanol hoax too. I work in the industry and can tell you that you will get up to 20% less gas mileage on your vehicle and the alcohol in the gas will wear out your vehicles rings faster. It dries up rubber seals.
 Canadians have tried this and it was a disaster on older cars that couldn't handle it.
Now let me see. Less gas mileage means more consumption that means more polutants in the air. Now if the alcohol means less polutants it would logically seem that using more because of the fall in efficiency would negate the benefit in using it in the first place. IDIOTS! We are all IDIOTS! For buying this junk. Just because it's on the news people doesn't mean it's true. Why won't the people on the global warming side not debate the people that say it's nothing to be alarmed about.
 Hopefully the guy thats taking Al Bore to court and sueing him will get the process started. Lets debate this before we get taxed to death for something that doesn't exist.
Now I'm sure there will be a million posts to follow this one.
:-*
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: CRAIG B on April 08, 2008, 09:17:01 PM
awesome this is one hot topic. I hope that the 23 factual lies in Al Bore's an inconvenient truth will get put on here too.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: vicupstate on April 08, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
Actually, if any of you Gore basher had actually see his film, you would know that he makes the claim that while Global Warming warms the planet overall, the domino effects actually results in CERTAIN areas getting colder.   

Have the Global Warming doubters produced any documentaries on their contrary evidence?   If not, they should at least view the Gore film before dismissing it.   
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
I think it is not wise to call either the pros stupid or the cons stupid. We do know that temperatures are rising at that it is likely that human activity is part of the responsibility. We also know that in the past (middle ages) there have been similar rises in temperatures. The middle ages are however in no way comparable to present times... the world population is 6 times bigger and we cannot all just pack our bags and settle somewhere else when waterlevels will rise.

Remember it took 35 years for almost everybody to be convinced that smoking is bad for you (still some people are convinced it is not)... this will probably take longer because it far more complex.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 08, 2008, 09:39:59 PM



Pro Gore: An Inconvenient Truth
Contra Gore :The Great Global Warming Swindle

Try to see them one after the other.

And off course what we have already noticed from the debate here: The Global Warming Controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: Midway ® on April 08, 2008, 10:04:07 PM


Remember it took 35 years for almost everybody to be convinced that smoking is bad for you (still some people are convinced it is not)...

Can you offer some proof on that? I'm sure that you will be able to find an opposing view on that here. It was really just a bunch of egghead educator types interfering with the free enterprise system....Damn eggheads.

Educators and education types are sooo worthless.  You know, those that can do and those that can't, teach.

BTW, let me tell you all about my multiple degrees.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: Midway ® on April 08, 2008, 10:41:06 PM
To Mini Trump's apartment complex in J'ville.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: jaxhater on April 08, 2008, 10:44:14 PM
I believe I understand the rightwings argument now,
Risings water levels- we grow gills like in waterworld or have floaties like babies.
Famines- invest in guns and eat human flesh.
Plants,forests dying- We just eat human flesh and build buildings out human bones.
Weather turning cold because of shifting water currents - we eat human flesh, have our toes and fingers fall off because of frostbite.
Cities under water- Eat human flesh and grow gills
I think these guys have it all worked out.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 08, 2008, 11:16:01 PM
To Mini Trump's apartment complex in J'ville.

i think his place would be all filled up  :)   why not camp out?  and eat human flesh.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 01:08:06 AM
Sorry.  No vacancies fellas.   ;)
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 01:14:34 AM


Remember it took 35 years for almost everybody to be convinced that smoking is bad for you (still some people are convinced it is not)...

Can you offer some proof on that? I'm sure that you will be able to find an opposing view on that here. It was really just a bunch of egghead educator types interfering with the free enterprise system....Damn eggheads.

Educators and education types are sooo worthless.  You know, those that can do and those that can't, teach.

BTW, let me tell you all about my multiple degrees.

Actually, there is verifiable proof that smoking causes cancer and other maladies.  The same cannot be said for global warming.  If it was so easy to prove, there would be no serious dissent.  And, its main proponent, Al Gore, would not be living as he does and fleecing the public for tens of millions of dollars.  This is obviously not the case.

Think about how Al Gore has ridden this fraud to fame and riches for a moment.  Wow.  I guess PT Barnum was right.  You can fool some of the people all of the time.

Oh and midway, there are many credible academics on both sides of the issue. 
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 01:17:15 AM
I believe I understand the rightwings argument now,
Risings water levels- we grow gills like in waterworld or have floaties like babies.
Famines- invest in guns and eat human flesh.
Plants,forests dying- We just eat human flesh and build buildings out human bones.
Weather turning cold because of shifting water currents - we eat human flesh, have our toes and fingers fall off because of frostbite.
Cities under water- Eat human flesh and grow gills
I think these guys have it all worked out.

Why do I always feel like I am reading a dirty T-shirt when looking at your posts?

I can almost smell the faint odor of marijuana even.   :D
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 01:31:30 AM
Yes, Stephen is one of the anointed ones who will lead us morons out of the wilderness of our ignorance.  Thank you for your selfless leadership on this issue.  Now, get out there and make some money in the "green economy" like Al Gore did!
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 09, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
I grew up at Jax Beach.  I went to Fletcher.  My grandmother still lives in the house that she and my papa bought the month I was born.   I have family all over this town and I keep my dad's beach house in working order as well.

So many mornings spent watching the sun rise out in the dunes of Ponte Vedra before all of the development.

The sea silvery and gold and the mist rolling over the pink tinted shells of the south end.

I would hate like hell to lose all of the places where I was a kid.  But I already think that by the time I am an old guy, they probably wont be there anymore.

ROFL...
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: second_pancake on April 09, 2008, 09:27:32 AM
To keep from ranting as I have on other certain posts, I am simply going to offer a suggestion to the issue.  Rather than continually trying to beat reason, logic, environmental and self-interest into the closed minds of the objectors, those of us who give a damn need to just do what has been done to us:  Trick them.

That's right.  We need to secretly replace all the PET plastics with corn-based or sugar based products thus releasing us of our dependence on oil and reducing the residual pollutants into our environment; start converting all of our new-production car engines to be bio-diesel compatible and supplying the servicing stations with only that type of fuel; making the streets less and less automobile friendly by reducing the width of the lanes a few inches every 200 yards (and making the bike lanes larger) or so until they completely disappear and you have no other choice but to get out of your car and, God forbid ~gulp~, WALK; start promoting cycling shops through loud, nationally televised commercials screaming at us to buy the next big thing in cycling...it wouldn't hurt to throw some sexual images in there too; and adding recylcing bins next to each and every trash can in our city.  Before you know it, it will all just be a way of life and no one will be the wiser. 

For those that may be confused, no, I am not being sarcastic.  I am dead serious.  Not a day goes by that I don't look around me and feel completely duped.  When did it become acceptable to drive a mile down the road to get coffee through a drive-through?  When did it become ok to use a non-biodegradeable plastic bag for EVERY purchase we make (I actually had someone at Publix try and push one off on me when I bought a pack of gum...a freakin pack of gum and I need a bag????)?  How the hell did we buy our vegetables and produce before styrofoam and cellophane?  NATURALLY, that's how!  All of these things that we use now and completely take for granted as just a part of everyday life were all introduced slowly and gradually until they became the norm.  We are constantly being inundated with new products in sleek new packaging being marketed to us as conveinient and "disposable."  Disposable does NOT mean it biodegrades and becomes part of the soil again.  It simply means it's no longer in your plain sight.

I know I said I wasn't going to rant.  I'll just end this with one of my favorite quotes (you may have seen this one on your Starbuck's coffee cup as you drove a mile down the road and sat with your car idling for 15 minutes while you waited in the drive-through):

So-called “global warming” is just

a secret ploy by wacko tree-

huggers to make America energy

independent, clean our air and

water, improve the fuel efficiency

of our vehicles, kick-start

21st-century industries, and make

our cities safer and more livable.

Don’t let them get away with it!

– Chip Giller
Founder of Grist.org
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 11:19:00 AM
To keep from ranting as I have on other certain posts, I am simply going to offer a suggestion to the issue.  Rather than continually trying to beat reason, logic, environmental and self-interest into the closed minds of the objectors, those of us who give a damn need to just do what has been done to us: 

Introducing logic and reason into the thinking of lefties would certainly be a change.

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Trick them.

That's right.  We need to secretly replace all the PET plastics with corn-based or sugar based products thus releasing us of our dependence on oil and reducing the residual pollutants into our environment; start converting all of our new-production car engines to be bio-diesel compatible and supplying the servicing stations with only that type of fuel; making the streets less and less automobile friendly by reducing the width of the lanes a few inches every 200 yards (and making the bike lanes larger) or so until they completely disappear and you have no other choice but to get out of your car and, God forbid ~gulp~, WALK; start promoting cycling shops through loud, nationally televised commercials screaming at us to buy the next big thing in cycling...it wouldn't hurt to throw some sexual images in there too; and adding recylcing bins next to each and every trash can in our city.  Before you know it, it will all just be a way of life and no one will be the wiser. 

For those that may be confused, no, I am not being sarcastic.  I am dead serious.  Not a day goes by that I don't look around me and feel completely duped.  When did it become acceptable to drive a mile down the road to get coffee through a drive-through? 

Try moving to a traditional neighborhood.  You can operate completely without a motor vehicle in Riverside-Avondale.  It is a nice option for me, but not one I want to force on others.  And, why does an environmentally conscious person like you choose to live in the suburbs?  Shame on you!

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So-called “global warming” is just

a secret ploy by wacko tree-

huggers to make America energy

independent, clean our air and

water, improve the fuel efficiency

of our vehicles, kick-start

21st-century industries, and make

our cities safer and more livable.

Don’t let them get away with it!

– Chip Giller
Founder of Grist.org

At least they are now admitting what we have known all along - the fraudulent global warming hysteria is a stalking horse for the environmental movement.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 09, 2008, 11:33:37 AM

Most of the projects that metrojacksonville has championed have actually been greener solutions to what is currently being planned.

Just to clarify...

True, MetroJacksonville has championed certain causes, but the primary factor behind these causes has NOT been because they are "greener solutions".  While it may have been an ancillary reason in some cases, it has not been the driving force for any proposals.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 12:20:34 PM

(http://www.tsowell.com/images/Vanointed.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/046508995X/qid=1077740078/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8501622-9745631?v=glance&s=books
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: second_pancake on April 09, 2008, 12:25:07 PM
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Introducing logic and reason into the thinking of lefties would certainly be a change.

This is precisely what I'm talking about.  I am not a "lefty".  All people who believe in a cleaner, safer, better world are not "lefties."  I disagree more with the left wing agenda than I do with the right-wing, but because there happens to be one commonality, we're all "lefties."  Closed.  Zipped.  Locked, RG.

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Try moving to a traditional neighborhood.  You can operate completely without a motor vehicle in Riverside-Avondale.  It is a nice option for me, but not one I want to force on others.  And, why does an environmentally conscious person like you choose to live in the suburbs?  Shame on you!

I did not choose to live where I live, my life chose it for me (namely my husband and the kids).  We are trying to move back to Riverside (where I lived on my own).  Moving would solve a lot of the transportation issues, but would not remove one from everything else I listed in my post.  There is still a Publix there pushing plastic bags like it's the next new drug, there are still people driving around in gas-guzzling SUVs just to get a coffee less than a mile from where they live (you'll see this A LOT in Avondale), and I've had more people honk at me while on a bike ride trying to tell me to "get off the road" than I have ever had out here in Southside.  My theory is the more money a person has to spend on things that are deemed to save time or energy, the more entitled they feel to that lifestyle and the more they condemn others for not living up to it.  Thus, again, the only way to make the world better is not through reason and logic but through trickery...smoke and mirrors.  As long as those with the power to make a difference, have money to continue to live the life they are through "disposable" goods and excessive consumption, the more we're going to rehash this argument.  Make it so they THINK they are living the same life, but in reality those bags really are disposable (biodegradeable), the fuel they're using is produced through recycling waste-product, and the plastic lid from their coffee cup is made from sugar cane and will decompose in 60 days, and we'll all be happy...that is, until they find out.  Then my bet is those "righties" will go out and kill some kittens or burn trees to prove a point.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: CRAIG B on April 09, 2008, 12:25:47 PM
Who's paying? Not with my tax dollars or the certain increase of my bill.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: CRAIG B on April 09, 2008, 12:37:11 PM
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Today's oil prices for example are back over $110 a barrell.
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Well I agree about the oil prices being high but we have a way to decrease them drastically. Right now there is no competition to the Arab, South American sources. I know this will drive you left wingers nuts but we need to stop blocking the oil production in Anwar and off the coast of Florida. The cubans are drilling like crazy off Florida and have doing it for quite a while, and certainly if a backwards country like Cuba can keep from spilling oil so can we. This production will give us influence in the market pricing and we can tell the Arabs to go stuff it. Prices will fall back to around 65 to 75 a barrel. But the tree huggers of this world will give out a massive cry and so will the left wing politicians because then we will be cutting into the profitability of their eco investments.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: CRAIG B on April 09, 2008, 12:39:17 PM
Make no mistake to you this is about world preservation but to them it means money$$$$$. You have honourable intentions, Al Gore does not.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 09, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
This is precisely what I'm talking about.  I am not a "lefty".  All people who believe in a cleaner, safer, better world are not "lefties."  I disagree more with the left wing agenda than I do with the right-wing, but because there happens to be one commonality, we're all "lefties."  Closed.  Zipped.  Locked, RG.

I am for clean, safe and better too.  Apple pie and motherhood too.  I just dont buy into Al Gore's agenda.   :)

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I did not choose to live where I live, my life chose it for me (namely my husband and the kids).  We are trying to move back to Riverside (where I lived on my own).  Moving would solve a lot of the transportation issues, but would not remove one from everything else I listed in my post.  There is still a Publix there pushing plastic bags like it's the next new drug, there are still people driving around in gas-guzzling SUVs just to get a coffee less than a mile from where they live (you'll see this A LOT in Avondale), and I've had more people honk at me while on a bike ride trying to tell me to "get off the road" than I have ever had out here in Southside.  My theory is the more money a person has to spend on things that are deemed to save time or energy, the more entitled they feel to that lifestyle and the more they condemn others for not living up to it.  Thus, again, the only way to make the world better is not through reason and logic but through trickery...smoke and mirrors.  As long as those with the power to make a difference, have money to continue to live the life they are through "disposable" goods and excessive consumption, the more we're going to rehash this argument.  Make it so they THINK they are living the same life, but in reality those bags really are disposable (biodegradeable), the fuel they're using is produced through recycling waste-product, and the plastic lid from their coffee cup is made from sugar cane and will decompose in 60 days, and we'll all be happy...that is, until they find out.  Then my bet is those "righties" will go out and kill some kittens or burn trees to prove a point.

I was kind of messing with you.  I do agree that traditional development practices are far better for a variety of reasons, including environmental ones.  And, I am all for better mass transit and walkability in Jacksonville.  I think we just approach it from two different perspectives.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 09, 2008, 01:14:10 PM
ooh!!! now there is something i can go off on a tangent on!!

attitudes towards bikers and pedestrians. 

completely agree.  i mean - people get so pissed sometimes and react so dangerously just because they have to slow down from 40 to 20 for 10 seconds to wait for an opportunity to pass a biker.

and then i hear the complaint - WHY DON'T YOU BIKE SOME OTHER TIME THAN RUSH HOUR.  You tell me - in december, when it gets dark by 5:15...when am i suppose to bike?  i work, ya know.  i can bike before work, but then you will see me during your precious rush hour morning commute (which also means i have to start early, before dawn - a time when your dumb a$$ is even less likely to see me as you talk on your cell phone and put on lipstick at the same time as driving) or around 4:30 if i leave work early - at which time you will see me during your precious evening gas-guzzling 40 minute commute home.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 09, 2008, 01:15:40 PM
oh yeah...and you know why we travel in large packs???  safety because you can't show courtesy on the roads and you are less likely to hit 10 of us than just one of us.  (unfortunately, that is not always the case as 2 years ago on san jose, a street sweeper fell asleep early one morning at the wheel and took out a whole pack of bikers...i think more than 5 or 6 were seriously hurt).
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Driven1 on April 09, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
oh yeah!!  and i just LOVE being honked at by these 4x4 wheelin rednecks.  cosmopolitan for sure.  sorry, but mandarin is just as bad as the westside for this.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: second_pancake on April 09, 2008, 01:55:56 PM
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The disregard for safety is insane.   Again it comes down to design issues.  In Springfield we had an all out brawl over the subject of installing bike lanes down 8th Street.  The Commercial developers were against it, crazily.

Really?  That's surprising since the state law indicates any new roads built "must" contain a bike lane.  A cycling group in Boca recently won a suit against the FDOT because they violated their own law by building roads without the bike lane.  They won.

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/newsDetail/1120.html (http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/newsDetail/1120.html)
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: second_pancake on April 09, 2008, 01:58:50 PM
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and then i hear the complaint - WHY DON'T YOU BIKE SOME OTHER TIME THAN RUSH HOUR.  You tell me - in december, when it gets dark by 5:15...when am i suppose to bike?  i work, ya know.  i can bike before work, but then you will see me during your precious rush hour morning commute (which also means i have to start early, before dawn - a time when your dumb a$$ is even less likely to see me as you talk on your cell phone and put on lipstick at the same time as driving) or around 4:30 if i leave work early - at which time you will see me during your precious evening gas-guzzling 40 minute commute home.

One word for those people:  DUMBASS.  What about those people who use their bike as a means of transportation?  Meaning, of course I'm riding during rush hour.  How the %#$^ else am I going to get to work???  Nothing gives me greater pleasure than riding past all of their uppity, entitled asses while pushing 22 mph and they're at a dead freakin stop. :P
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: second_pancake on April 09, 2008, 03:44:10 PM
Sounds great, but I like this one better....

http://www.bicyclecity.com/ (http://www.bicyclecity.com/)  ;D
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Beloki on April 09, 2008, 03:56:14 PM
This city has a real possibility of being a good bicycle city: terrain is flat enough and the weather is excellent. All we need is the right infrastructure. Then again, I'm from Holland where there really are more bicycles than people
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: CRAIG B on April 11, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
And on a Lighter note!
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: Midway ® on April 11, 2008, 11:42:43 AM
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Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 11, 2008, 04:52:30 PM
Craig.

Do you know why Australia joined the Kyoto Protocols after a decade of their prime minister scoffing at global warming?

Because they elected a new leftist Prime Minister. 

I know you will mention their drought but there is no way to prove that this is attributable to GW.
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 11, 2008, 04:52:54 PM
And on a Lighter note!

hahahaha   :D
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the Worl
Post by: RiversideGator on April 11, 2008, 05:45:15 PM
Not much to be concerned with here:

(http://www.weatherquestions.com/2000-years-of-global-temperatures.jpg)
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Fig. 3. Global average temperature reconstruction based upon 18 temperature proxies for the period 1 A.D. to 1995, combined with the thermometer-based dataset from the UK Met Office and University of East Anglia, covering the period 1850 to 2007. Note that for both datasets each data point represents a 30-year average.
http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm#satellite-temps
Title: Re: Al Gore Updates the Accelerating Climate Crisis, Makes Call to save the World.
Post by: Downtown Dweller on April 17, 2008, 08:37:27 AM
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/041708/met_269111418.shtml