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Title: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on March 27, 2008, 05:00:00 AM
The Markets at Town Center

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The area around the St. Johns Town Center continues to grow.  The Markets At Town Center is the latest retail complex scheduled to rise at Southside's JTB   Gate Parkway.

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Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: second_pancake on March 27, 2008, 09:28:00 AM
Ugh.  Just what we need, more stores.  I'm moving to South Dakota to live in what's left of nature before the bulldozers come in and put up a slutty-clothing-for-little-girls store (Justice).

Btw, have you every tried riding your bike in the bike lanes around that place?  Hell, even riding your bike into the place to go shopping is a nightmare.  People are speeding, weaving, cutting, and dodging all over.  And, really folks, do we need another Starbuck's there???  Let's see, there's one in the Barnes and Nobles, then there's the one across from the park, then there's the one next to Publix...oh, and let's not forget the one inside the Target store.  So, we need a fifth???  Sounds to me like someone's been drinking a fifth.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: downtownparks on March 27, 2008, 10:08:41 AM
I just got back from Maine, there is plenty of wilderness up there too, and your only a few hours from places like Boston and NYC.

BTW, Bangor would be an interesting city to see a comparison of. Its got a large blue collar/industrial thing going on, and Maine has a very large percentage of people dependent on social services in general, but downtown Bangor seemed to have some life, at least during the day, and they have done a great job of saving the old buildings.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: JeffreyS on March 27, 2008, 12:23:57 PM
More Sprawl but Jax still has time if we could get an administration that is serious about infill.  We do have a lot of wonderful natural space left. We do have our work cut out saving the river. As for SJTC this area has been claimed by the developers if we have to have more mall stores this is where we want them.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: jeh1980 on March 28, 2008, 12:26:42 AM
Great development. Maybe someday, the downtown area (particularly the LaVilla or Brooklyn section will be next in line for something like this. :D
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: DemocraticNole on March 28, 2008, 01:46:32 AM
I'm glad to see that Nordstroms and Neiman Marcus are coming to town. There really is no reason that Jax should have waited this long with out some high end retailers.

Downtown is never going to be anything without leadership from the mayor's office and some big venture capitalist investing big bucks down there. I hate to pin this on the Republicans, but as conservative as this town is, a lot of those conservaitves could care less about developing downtown. It is just farther away than where they live out in the suburbs and exurbs. We all know John Peyton isn't going to do squat and I doubt anything would happen without some Democratic leadership in the mayor's office, which ain't happening in Duval County.

It isn't going to be too long before more money will have to be spent to fix the intersection of JTB and Gate Pkwy. It is already a traffic mess now at peak times and more stores won't help it. The completion of the JTB/295 interchange will help some, but not enough.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: jeh1980 on March 28, 2008, 04:05:16 AM
I'm glad to see that Nordstroms and Neiman Marcus are coming to town. There really is no reason that Jax should have waited this long with out some high end retailers.

Downtown is never going to be anything without leadership from the mayor's office and some big venture capitalist investing big bucks down there. I hate to pin this on the Republicans, but as conservative as this town is, a lot of those conservaitves could care less about developing downtown. It is just farther away than where they live out in the suburbs and exurbs. We all know John Peyton isn't going to do squat and I doubt anything would happen without some Democratic leadership in the mayor's office, which ain't happening in Duval County.

It isn't going to be too long before more money will have to be spent to fix the intersection of JTB and Gate Pkwy. It is already a traffic mess now at peak times and more stores won't help it. The completion of the JTB/295 interchange will help some, but not enough.
Well, I hate to disagree, but I think that the JTB/295 interchange will help a lot, especially when it comes to easing the traffic on I-95. And I know that there will be big changes around downtown even when Mayor Peyton is in the office. We all due respect, but I think we had been saying a lot of things about the Mayor. Of course, there were some things we say are true, but in my opinion, I think we had shown a lot of disrespect to him and his ideas. Despite of the bad decisions he might have made, I still believe in the Mayor and he will do a better job to help develop downtown.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: reednavy on March 28, 2008, 07:55:50 AM
Somewhat like our version of Orlando's Mall at Millenia, just outdoors. What all will Phase 3 have, other than NM and Nordstorm?
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: copperfiend on March 28, 2008, 08:16:20 AM
Somewhat like our version of Orlando's Mall at Millenia, just outdoors. What all will Phase 3 have, other than NM and Nordstorm?

Except we don't have an IKEA. I was just down there a few weeks ago. I noticed they have a BJ's Brewhouse, which is part of the Markets at SJTC.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: JeffreyS on March 28, 2008, 09:55:49 AM
Downtown is never going to be anything without leadership from the mayor's office and some big venture capitalist investing big bucks down there. I hate to pin this on the Republicans, but as conservative as this town is, a lot of those conservaitves could care less about developing downtown. It is just farther away than where they live out in the suburbs and exurbs. We all know John Peyton isn't going to do squat and I doubt anything would happen without some Democratic leadership in the mayor's office, which ain't happening in Duval County.

You know we bag on Peyton a lot because he has made obvious mistakes and lies.  Downtown however has seen a lot of development and infill during his watch maybe in spite of him. The projects that have stalled or slowed I think have been more systematic of the national housing problems.  I think we need more progressive leadership but more important is less crony ism.

The Prime Osborn as the center of a mass transit system would the best springboard I can picture.     
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: thelakelander on March 28, 2008, 10:02:59 AM
What the core needs is connectivity and density.  Both the Peyton and Delaney administrations have flopped big time on these issues.  What's the use of "developing horizontally" if all you're connecting is vacant plots of land and surface parking lots.  Regardless of the market and how much money is put into something, if it doesn't connect and interact well with its immediate surroundings the chance for vibrancy is diminished.

As for the Markets at Town Center, it should complement the SJTC nicely.  If we had to compare this with Orlando's Mall at Millenia, this would rival the strip shopping center across the street thats anchored by the Target and Home Depot Expo.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: reednavy on March 28, 2008, 10:09:59 AM
It really does rival that "high-class" strip center. The whole SJTC area is like Millenia on crack, as soon as we land IKEA, which will probably be around 2015,  :D. I like it thought, Chipotle for lunch, BJ's for dinner, sounds good.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: avonjax on March 28, 2008, 12:43:31 PM
Lakerlander is very correct. The real problem with downtown is people. When there is residential density downtown the services and shopping will follow. I do believe though that if the right retail goes into Brooklyn and the Water Street project, the surrounding neighborhoods will utilize them. I know there are people who post here that dislike SJTC, but we really need that kind of retail in Jacksonville. Maybe years in the future with many more downtown residents, we may get a high end department store, but at this time the average Jacksonville resident would not support it.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: I-10east on April 08, 2008, 10:47:58 PM
Well, if we're decades slow because we don't have an IKEA, then places like Detroit, Las Vegas, and St Louis are slow too. What is so great about IKEA? Maybe I'm in the minority, but looking at the website, that furniture looks rather ugly to me. 
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: coredumped on January 05, 2009, 10:54:09 PM
I would love to see a Macy's here. I'd prefer to see it in the Avenues, but anyone is jax would be nice. If we had burdines before they were bought out by macy's we'd have one.

Burdines slogan was "the Florida store," so I guess we really are the southern-most city in GA ;)
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: Beloki on January 06, 2009, 09:22:50 AM
I agree with avonjax and lakelander. The city should focus on density in downtown. Make it a great place to live. If the people are there the services (shops,restaurants etc) will follow. I come from Rotterdam, The Netherlands where they had the same problem. 18 years ago there were only offices in downtown Rotterdam and at night the downtown area was a ghost town. The city focused on density (lots of high rises, lots of different apartment styles) and the rest followed. I can truly say that now in 2008 they clearly succeeded in changing the downtown area and you don't have to leave downtown anymore for anything.. greats shops, restaurants, parks. musea etc. But to this day still the city will only allow high rises and still focuses on population density in the downtown area.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: aj_fresh on January 21, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
Article in the TU...

http://jacksonville.com/business/2009-01-21/story/new_tenants_lined_up_for_markets_at_town_center (http://jacksonville.com/business/2009-01-21/story/new_tenants_lined_up_for_markets_at_town_center)

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The Markets at Town Center, where several new stores will soon open, has become the younger sibling to the adjacent St. Johns Town Center.

Officials with both shopping centers acknowledge that customers pretty much view it as one shopping area, with most people assuming stores like Best Buy and Toys R Us are part of the St. Johns complex.

But those stores, along with Golf Galaxy, Chipotle Mexican Grill and Mattress Giant, make up the first stores in the Markets at Town Center, taking up about 125,000 square feet.

Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: Doctor_K on January 22, 2009, 08:49:36 AM
Of course they view it as one shopping area.  It pretty much is.
Title: Re: The Markets at Town Center
Post by: jandar on January 22, 2009, 12:44:04 PM
Its just like in Orange Park. People call the Target/Toysrus/etc as the mall.

"I'm going to the mall, I need to stop by Toys R Us".

Kinda silly, but that is how it is.