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Title: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 15, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
Unreal, news is cutting into every TV and Radio show. Appears 2 bombs went off in a building at the finish line of the Boston Marathon. More as we get it, 911 Deja Vu.

OCK
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2013, 03:15:54 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosion-20130415,0,641755.story
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 15, 2013, 03:21:14 PM
Boston Marathon Finish Line
Two explosions have gone off at the Boston marathon finish line. Here's what we know so far. This is a breaking story.

Boston police scanner chatter has SWAT teams being told to "go back and get their rifles."

Listen to the Boston Police, Fire and EMS Scanner HERE.

1. Two blasts were heard near the Boston Marathon finish line around 3 p.m.

2. There are multiple injuries, including a "serious" leg injury. Bloomberg reports 12 people injured.

3. Photos show smoke, chaos and blood.

4. The Marathon is locked down.

5. There may still be another bomb.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2013, 03:21:30 PM
(http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2013/04/15/boston-marathon-bomb/large.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fwFvCUAA-PWb.jpg)

http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1261490
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsujax on April 15, 2013, 03:32:19 PM
wow. craziness.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 15, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
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Apr 15, 2013, 3:06pm EDT
Bomb explosions reported at Boston Marathon finish line

Boston Business Journal

Two bombs have exploded at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, according to eyewitness reports on Twitter and from news media at the scene.

BBJ Publisher Chris McIntosh was near the finish line as a spectator when the explosions occurred. He said one explosion hit near the finish line, another by the Lenox Hotel, nearby. Several people were injured in the blasts, he said.

The Boston Herald reported "two huge explosions" just before 3 p.m. at the Boston Marathon finish line at Copley Square.
"I saw two explosions. The first one was beyond the finish line. I heard a loud bang and saw smoke rising," Herald reporter Chris Cassidy, who was running in the marathon, said, according to the Herald. The Herald's site was down, following the news breaking.

One eyewitness tweeted an apparent photo of the aftermath. The Boston Globe cited a staffer at the scene, saying at least dozens have been seriously injured.

The Fairmont Copley Plaza hotel is reportedly under lockdown.

More on this as it develops.

...And now more great news???? We just got a call that my wife's life-long best friend 'isa' is/was running the race and last word anyone got was that 'She is nearing the finish line." THE SEARCH IS ON FOR ISA HERNANDEZ.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 15, 2013, 03:43:52 PM
This of course is NOT A JOKE but I can imagine the avenue this might take in Washington.

Next week the US SENATE will be considering a "bomb control bill..." Anyone that owns a bomb will be required to register the device. In the future bombers will be required to have no more then 10 ball bearings per bomb load.

LONG LIVE BOSTON!
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: sandyshoes on April 15, 2013, 04:01:55 PM
Probably some other homegrown sicko like the theater shooter and the school shooter, trying to get his agenda across.  Offering prayers for the participants, families, friends. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: JagFan07 on April 15, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
100 years since the Income Tax bill was passed, Boston home of the Tea Party, Tax day. Hoping my gut feeling is wrong and that this isn't some crazed nut or group trying to make a point.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
Insanity in Boston.  More bombs found and will be detonated.  At least 12 casualties so far.
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Alexander Abad-Santos 85,251 Views 3:01 PM ET

Multiple outlets and law enforcement officials are reporting what a horrific looking scene makes clear, even as a frenzy searching for more potential explosive devices and survivors continues: The headquarters at the Boston Marathon have been locked down after at least two bombs went off near the downtown finish line mid-Monday afternoon. Law enforcement officials told the New York Post that the explosions may have left at least 12 casualties, while there were gruesome images of lost limbs, hair on fire, and worse. Boston police and marathon officials have confirmed that there were at least two explosions  — and doctors were told to expect casualties — but no one was saying who or what might be responsible. A Boston Globe photographer reported that he heard but did not see the third explosion, and Boston police were scrambling to contain the scene. "There were two booms heard from near the finish line inside the Fairmont Copley Plaza Hotel," reports the AP. And there are reports that another device has been found and will be detonated
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/boston-marathon-explosions-live/64246/
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
100 years since the Income Tax bill was passed, Boston home of the Tea Party, Tax day. Hoping my gut feeling is wrong and that this isn't some crazed nut or group trying to make a point.
It's always a crazed nut trying to make a point.  So horrible.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
Current reports state 2 known dead and at least 23 injuries.  No report of how serious the injuries are as of yet.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: RiversideLoki on April 15, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
This of course is NOT A JOKE but I can imagine the avenue this might take in Washington.

Next week the US SENATE will be considering a "bomb control bill..." Anyone that owns a bomb will be required to register the device. In the future bombers will be required to have no more then 10 ball bearings per bomb load.

LONG LIVE BOSTON!

No, no, Ock.... It's going to be called "Bomb violence reduction legislation"....

I'm seriously with Jagfan07 on this one, I sincerely hope it isn't some fringe 3%er group or the like behind this. My thoughts go out to everyone in Boston right now.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:26:27 PM
Diane I think that there are only two dead.  The others are wounded.  Thats why they are listed as casualties.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/15/boston-marathon-explosion_n_3086665.html

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BOSTON — Two explosions shattered the finish of the Boston Marathon on Monday, sending authorities out on the course to carry away the injured while stragglers in the 26.2-mile race were rerouted away from the smoking site.

Competitors and race volunteers were crying as they fled the chaos. Bloody spectators were being carried to the medical tent that had been set up to care for fatigued runners.

"There are a lot of people down," said one man, whose bib No. 17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina. He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg. A Boston police officer was wheeled from the course with a leg injury that was bleeding.

Neither race officials nor public officials could immediately estimate the number or degree of injuries.

About three hours after the winners crossed the line, there was a loud explosion on the north side of Boylston Street, just before the photo bridge that marks the finish line. Another explosion could be heard a few seconds later.

Smoke rose from the blasts, fluttering through the national flags lining the route of the world's oldest and most prestigious marathon. TV helicopter footage showed blood staining the pavement in the popular shopping and tourist area known as the Back Bay.

"There are people who are really, really bloody," said Laura McLean, a runner from Toronto, who was in the medical tent being treated for dehydration when she was pulled out to make room for victims of the explosions. "They were pulling them into the medical tent."

Cherie Falgoust was waiting for her husband, who was running the race.

"I was expecting my husband any minute," she said. "I don't know what this building is ... it just blew. Just a big bomb, a loud boom, and then glass everywhere. Something hit my head. I don't know what it was. I just ducked."

Runners who had not finished the race were diverted straight down Commonwealth Avenue and into a family meeting area, according to an emergency plan that had been in place
I caught my mistake and corrected it Stephen.  Thanks for noticing it.  As of right now they say 28 injured two dead.  Doctors saying injured look like they are coming from a war zone.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 15, 2013, 04:28:07 PM
looks like a domestic terrorist
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 15, 2013, 04:39:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fCgFCQAERWMB.jpg)

Is there supposed to be a guy on the building next to the explosion?
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:41:10 PM
Well looks like my initial post turned out to be true.  Latest reports say 12 dead 50 injured.

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April 15, 2013  4:28 PM

BOSTON — Two explosions shattered the euphoria of the Boston Marathon finish line on Monday, sending authorities out on the course to carry off the injured while the stragglers in the 26.2-mile trek from Hopkinton were rerouted away from the smoking site of the blasts.

A federal law-enforcement source confirmed to The Post there are at least 12 dead and nearly 50 injured. Fox News reported that Massachusetts General Hospital was treating 10 people with amputated limbs and all operating rooms were on hold.

Authorities have a identified a suspect, who is currently being guarded in a Boston hospital with shrapnel wounds.

Law-enforcement sources said at least the first explosion occurred in the lobby of the Fairmont Hotel
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQfVsH1yI
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on April 15, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
Moment of Boston Marathon explosion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22160826
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:51:10 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQfVsH1yI  N.Y. Post is also claiming that authorities have identified a suspect who has injuries.  I hope N.Y.Post has their facts correct.  They are certainly reporting different numbers than other news outlets.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 04:56:49 PM
Bloomberg's statement on the explosion.

http://nycgov.tumblr.com/post/48063343060/mayor-bloombergs-statement-on-explosions-in-boston
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
Sam Stein from Huffington Post just sent out this twitter:

CBS News also quoting law enforcement official saying they have a surveillance photo of potential suspect
That's the second report of a potential suspect.  It is beginning to look to me like this person dropped these bombs shortly before detonating them.  Two explosions at 2:50 and another almost approx three hours later at the library.  Don't know if the two are connected yet.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 05:03:44 PM
It is also possible that these were suicide bombings considering how quickly and suddenly they happened within the crowds.  Just my speculation on this. So many questions yet to be answered. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 15, 2013, 05:19:21 PM
 this JFK bomb or not fiasco just proves importance of having one voice in a crisis.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: PeeJayEss on April 15, 2013, 05:24:04 PM
Why are we just randomly re-posting reports from poorly-sourced news outlets?
Its easy enough to confirm whether cell phone service has been "shut down," and that news source clearly didn't.

And the New York Post? Next, we'll have reports that aliens landed on the race course.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on April 15, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
Explosions at the Boston Marathon  http://youtu.be/046MuD1pYJg Explosions at the Boston Marathon
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 05:34:30 PM
Why are we just randomly re-posting reports from poorly-sourced news outlets?
Its easy enough to confirm whether cell phone service has been "shut down," and that news source clearly didn't.

And the New York Post? Next, we'll have reports that aliens landed on the race course.
Blogging info as it comes in with links for folks as everyone is certainly interested.  As is always the case info coming out now will need confirming later.  Everyone can certainly decide what they like about the info as it comes in.  ;)
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
Stephen, is it the NY Post reporting the suspect may not survive?  It's so odd that other news sources have yet to repeat anything N.Y. Post has released.  If this person is real and connected then it leads some credence to the possibility that this was either a quick drop of a bomb or a suicide bombing. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
Interesting, so that is at least one other outlet claiming there is a suspect. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Doctor_K on April 15, 2013, 05:45:25 PM
Via Yahoo! News feed, Boston globe now reporting 90 injuries, no further additions to the fatality list, thankfully.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/live-updates-explosion-near-boston-marathon-finish-line-192213861.html
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UPDATE: At least 90 people injured in #BostonMarathon blasts, according to area hospitals. b.globe.com/17flFVD

Also, Boston PD (as of this post) confirming they have no one in custody.

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Lisa Desjardins@LisaDCNNBOSTON PD: Tell CNN "We don't have anyone in custody".

Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
Thanks Doctor K, the numbers are clearly all over the place.  I wonder if the P.D. is stating they have no one in custody because there is no suspect or because the suspect as reported by other outles is supposedly severely injured at a hospital somewhere? 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 06:28:36 PM
Via Fox News and just reported by News4Jax, AFT officers have descended upon a Boston hospital to interview a suspect.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 06:33:58 PM
FBI formally calls this a terrorist attack.  Boston Globe declares at least 100 people injured.  New4Jax on both sources.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 08:38:17 PM
This whole thing remains fluid.  Anderson Cooper on CNN is confirming that of the two verified dead, one was a eight year old boy.  Of the many people hospitalized there are 17 in life threatening condition.  There is also a BOLO issued by police looking for a dark skinned or black male with a black hoodie who was seen on surveillance cameras attempting to access a restricted area, pulling his hoodie over his face while doing so.  The youngest person injured is confirmed to be three years old who has been transferred to a Childrens Hospital.  Hospitals are also reporting having to remove ball bearings from victims.

Below is the latest report from TU. 
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“They just kept filling up with more and more casualties,” Lisa Davey said. “Most everybody was conscious. They were very dazed.”

The fiery twin blasts took place almost simultaneously and about 100 yards apart, knocking spectators and at least one runner off their feet, shattering windows and sending dense plumes of smoke rising over the street and through the fluttering national flags lining the course.

When the second bomb went off, the spectators’ cheers turned to screams. As sirens blared, emergency workers and National Guardsmen assigned to the race for crowd control began climbing over and tearing down temporary fences to get to the blast site.

A pool of blood formed, and huge shards were missing from window panes as high as three stories.

Eight hospitals report that they are treating at least 124 people. Of those, at least 15 are in critical condition.

The injuries ranged from cuts and bruises to amputations. Many victims suffered lower leg injuries and shrapnel wounds. Some suffered ruptured eardrums.

Dr. Richard Wolfe, chief of the department of emergency medicine at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, says one or two of the hospital’s 21 patients faced a “high probability of mortality

For full article:

http://jacksonville.com/news/national/2013-04-15/story/2-dead-more-120-hurt-2-bombs-explode-near-boston-marathon-finish-line
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: CharleyNovember on April 15, 2013, 08:55:34 PM
Natural reaction. As long as no one was beating him up better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
Just watched a press conference with the Governor of Mass and authorities.  They have stated that reports of a Saudi national being questioned in a hospital are false.  From CNN they have confirmed a third individual dead and over 140 people treated at local hospitals so far.  And the information continues to change.

Just spoke with my cousin in Boston.  She says television news there is reporting up to six additional undetonated bombs have been found and dismantled.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: CharleyNovember on April 15, 2013, 09:37:19 PM
Stephen I certainly wouldn't endorse him being beaten. I'd interview him though just to be through(spelling sorry) If someone reports him as acting suspicious then he needs to be interviewed and treated if he was injured by the bomb. You can do both at a hospital.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 15, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
It is really difficult to get clarity with all of the conflicting reports from various agencies.  Right now some of the various entities seem to be parsing words in order to make it seem that they have the best info.  I am thinking it will be some time before we get a clear picture of the numbers of injured and potential suspects.  What blows my mind is that CNN is now talking again about the Saudi in hospital being questioned.  Lord have mercy.  They are now saying the confusion came from authorities stating they are questioning everyone in the hospital.  It has also been announced that the hospital is on lock down as a safety measure.  Apparently they cannot even follow their own reporting. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: simms3 on April 15, 2013, 09:43:16 PM
Very tragic story...these bombs happened to go off between a few of our buildings (we have real estate on Boylston and on Dartmouth).  Haven't heard reports of the facts, who did it, how many injured/killed, etc, but I do have coworkers who were a block away from the action when it happened and have reported back.  Very very sad story in America today...my coworkers and I were all at lunch when we got texts from coworkers within minutes of it happening...was quite a shocker.

What's also sad is that the whole Boston Marathon was dedicated to Newtown victims...
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on April 16, 2013, 01:44:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fCgFCQAERWMB.jpg)

Is there supposed to be a guy on the building next to the explosion?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309641/Boston-explosions-Who-person-Individual-seen-walking-roof-directly-overhead-bomb-goes-Boston-Marathon.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailonline
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
A brief update using CNN info from noon reports.  176 people were treated for injuries.  17 remain in critical condition, 10 have lost limbs due to the blast, 3 confirmed dead.  The bombs have been confirmed to have contained shrapnel.

Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2013, 12:28:32 PM
Then there is this reprehensible piece of news.

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The anti-LGBT Westboro Baptist Church has blamed Monday’s bombing of the Boston Marathon on same sex marriage and has promised to protest at the funerals of the victims.

In a press release posted to Twitter, Westboro thanked God for the attack and announced its plan to “picket the funeral of those killed.”

“The federal government is classifying the bombs as a terrorist attack, but say it’s unclear if it’s of a domestic or foreign nature,” the release said. “Here’s a hint — GOD SENT THE BOMBS! How many more terrifying ways will you have the LORD injure and kill your fellow countrymen because you insist on nation-dooming filthy fag marriage?!”

By Tuesday morning, a “We the People” petition on the White House website had over 4,000 signatures from people asking that the church be banned from demonstrating at victims’ funerals



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/16/westboro-to-picket-boston-funerals-blames-fag-marriage-for-bombings/
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2013, 03:08:47 PM
Via News4Jax:

BOSTON UPDATE: The deadly bombs that terrorized the Boston Marathon were apparently placed inside pressure cookers and then hidden in backpacks. The blasts, according to officials, were detonated by TIMERS.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: TheCat on April 16, 2013, 03:18:43 PM
I'm not offended by Westboro Baptist Church. These guys are marketers. They've learned they get attention by being reprehensible. They totally laugh at America's reactions to their comments. I think they think it's hilarious. Remember when you were a kid and you knew how to get a predictable rise out of adults. That's westboro. They know how to get a predictable rise out of America. That must make any person/group feel very powerful. About a dozen people can command the attention of America's billions of dollars media industry by saying one sentence. Really?  :o


Strategy:

1. Wait for national event
2. Say something about how God hates
3. Receive loads and loads of national media attention
4. repeat

Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: TheCat on April 16, 2013, 03:49:12 PM
If you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/v/qBC5ezy7uX8
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2013, 04:04:54 PM
I'm not offended by Westboro Baptist Church. These guys are marketers. They've learned they get attention by being reprehensible. They totally laugh at America's reactions to their comments. I think they think it's hilarious. Remember when you were a kid and you knew how to get a predictable rise out of adults. That's westboro. They know how to get a predictable rise out of America. That must make any person/group feel very powerful. About a dozen people can command the attention of America's billions of dollars media industry by saying one sentence. Really?  :o


Strategy:

1. Wait for national event
2. Say something about how God hates
3. Receive loads and loads of national media attention
4. repeat


I don't think this is about the public or you and I being offended in all honesty Cat.  It's about the pain inflicted by these moron's on the families who have lost their loved ones generally due to a tragic circumstance.  Regardless of their agenda publicity or otherwise, the harm they cause to people already in pain in unforgivable in my view. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: TheCat on April 16, 2013, 04:15:32 PM
Other Countries involved with Boston Marathon:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/2013/apr/16/boston-marathon-explosions-competitors-country#data
 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/2013/apr/16/boston-marathon-explosions-competitors-country#data)
(http://i.imgur.com/s5hBSHx.png)
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on April 16, 2013, 05:41:24 PM
Then there is this reprehensible piece of news.

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The anti-LGBT Westboro Baptist Church has blamed Monday’s bombing of the Boston Marathon on same sex marriage and has promised to protest at the funerals of the victims.

In a press release posted to Twitter, Westboro thanked God for the attack and announced its plan to “picket the funeral of those killed.”

“The federal government is classifying the bombs as a terrorist attack, but say it’s unclear if it’s of a domestic or foreign nature,” the release said. “Here’s a hint — GOD SENT THE BOMBS! How many more terrifying ways will you have the LORD injure and kill your fellow countrymen because you insist on nation-dooming filthy fag marriage?!”

By Tuesday morning, a “We the People” petition on the White House website had over 4,000 signatures from people asking that the church be banned from demonstrating at victims’ funerals



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/16/westboro-to-picket-boston-funerals-blames-fag-marriage-for-bombings/
Every time we report about this so called Church group they get free PR? Lets keep them off MetroJacksonville and let them spin on this ... (upturned finger)!
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 16, 2013, 06:13:44 PM
Sometimes words calling out this type of monstrous behavior in a public format is giving them the finger in a more lasting manner.  They hurt people when they are most vulnerable and those of us who get the degree of harm they inflict need to speak up against this type of abuse when we see it. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on April 16, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
Sometimes words calling out this type of monstrous behavior in a public format is giving them the finger in a more lasting manner.  They hurt people when they are most vulnerable and those of us who get the degree of harm they inflict need to speak up against this type of abuse when we see it.
:-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
CNN is reporting that Boston Law Enforcement has a substantial breakthrough in the Boston bombings.  Video from Lord and Taylor Department store closed circuit cameras and a Boston T.V. station has revealed important evidence.  Rumor is they have identified a suspect.  No one will confirm if they have that person in custody or not.  Unconfirmed is that the suspect is a dark skinned male.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 01:46:33 PM
Unconfirmed, yet reports are that an arrest has been made in this investigation. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 01:52:59 PM
ARREST OF SUSPECT IN BOMBINGS CONFIRMED. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Federal Marshall's have taken suspect to Federal Courthouse.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
Honestly following mainstream media is a mess.  Now CNN has a reporter saying that no one has been arrested and they don't have an identity for the person that was seen on video leaving a bag by the finish line.  It is hard to believe what is being said on these outlets and it certainly is looking like mainstream media and those reporting sure as heck don't seem to be following the old rules of check your sources and information and make sure what you are telling the public is truthful. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Now CNN claims some folks high up in a Justice of the Peace office says no one is in custody.  What a mess of misinformation and another reminder of the decline of major media reporting.  Simply pathetic coming across on the Associated Press.  Makes my head hurt.  The following from News4Jax who also reported an arrest made.   :-\

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WJXT4 The Local Station
BREAKING BOSTON UPDATE: CNN is now RECANTING it's report of an arrest being made. Fran Townsend on CNN says "There was a misunderstanding and lots of cross communication."

Conflicting reports are now surfacing. Both CNN and AP were reporting an arrest, they are now recanting
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 17, 2013, 02:46:14 PM
its better to be first than correct.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 17, 2013, 02:57:31 PM
when you report the news, first make sure it is news
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 02:58:47 PM
FBI officials are chiding mainstream media and warning them to be careful what they report!  I certainly agree with that sentiment. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 03:03:10 PM
Pathetic, even after admitting they were wrong about the arrest, CNN is now reporting more rumor's about a hospital evacuation in Brookline Boston.  Proof of this?  NO.  They are relaying the words of two police officers as heard by a reporter.  CNN, digging a bigger hole for themselves.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 03:09:56 PM
Consume the following with a "grain of salt".  It comes from Associated Press who also reported an arrest had been made.  Wonder if they got this info correct?
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Feds deny reports of Boston suspect in custody
Posted: April 17, 2013 - 1:55pm  |  Updated: April 17, 2013 - 3:02pm

BOSTON (AP) — Federal officials are denying that a suspect is in custody in the Boston Marathon bombings.

A law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on Wednesday a suspect was in custody.

But the FBI and the U.S. attorney's office in Boston dispute that.

The official who spoke to The Associated Press did so on condition of anonymity and stood by the information even after it was disputed.

Two law enforcement sources told USA TODAY no arrest had been made. The Associated Press, CNN and Fox Boston said that a suspect had been taken into custody in early afternoon.

The official that spoke to the Associated Press shortly after several media outlets reported that a suspect had been identified from surveillance video taken at a Lord & Taylor store between the sites of the two bomb blasts, which killed three people and wounded more than 170.

The official was not authorized to divulge details of the investigation and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The AP reported the suspect was expected at a Boston courthouse under heavy security, the official said

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/2013-04-17/story/feds-deny-reports-boston-suspect-custody#ixzz2QkWh5qPJ

Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 17, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
when you report the news, first make sure it is news

Lol.  you would be very disappointed by any graph which charted actual event and accurate portrayals of it in real time over the years.

If you are acquainted with the Memphis Three case or even the causes of the Iraq War, you know what Im talking about.

West Memphis Three, two different states and I remember that well.  Just seems that nowadays reporters are more apt to report what other reporters are saying rather than what they've found.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 17, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
when you report the news, first make sure it is news

Lol.  you would be very disappointed by any graph which charted actual event and accurate portrayals of it in real time over the years.

If you are acquainted with the Memphis Three case or even the causes of the Iraq War, you know what Im talking about.

West Memphis Three, two different states and I remember that well.  Just seems that nowadays reporters are more apt to report what other reporters are saying rather than what they've found.
And then putting their own spin on it. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on April 17, 2013, 05:57:40 PM
Then there is this reprehensible piece of news.

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The anti-LGBT Westboro Baptist Church has blamed Monday’s bombing of the Boston Marathon on same sex marriage and has promised to protest at the funerals of the victims.

In a press release posted to Twitter, Westboro thanked God for the attack and announced its plan to “picket the funeral of those killed.”

“The federal government is classifying the bombs as a terrorist attack, but say it’s unclear if it’s of a domestic or foreign nature,” the release said. “Here’s a hint — GOD SENT THE BOMBS! How many more terrifying ways will you have the LORD injure and kill your fellow countrymen because you insist on nation-dooming filthy fag marriage?!”

By Tuesday morning, a “We the People” petition on the White House website had over 4,000 signatures from people asking that the church be banned from demonstrating at victims’ funerals



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/16/westboro-to-picket-boston-funerals-blames-fag-marriage-for-bombings/
Every time we report about this so called Church group they get free PR? Lets keep them off MetroJacksonville and let them spin on this ... (upturned finger)!

I thought you agreed with them, If I loved you.  This seems like an about face doesnt it?
When did I say that I agreed with Westboro Baptist Church? Stephen? Now Stephen I did post what John Kerry said "Americans have the right to be stupid."
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: TheCat on April 18, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
These are the FBI suspects:

(http://i.imgur.com/EfeNsqF.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/DXNeanE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/of7K3N7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Nqb61l9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g6VJPM4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/saIa7Op.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QfrnBao.jpg)
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: TheCat on April 18, 2013, 11:28:39 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/540657_10200425491872236_309650956_n.jpg)

From Facebook:

Friends & Family,
I have been feeling down since the Boston Marathon bombing because I couldn't do anything to help the injured victims...until now. Thanks to my friend Jason who pointed out to me that the photo I took right after the second bomb and posted on FB has suspect #2 in the left hand corner of the photo. White baseball cap turned backwards, black sweatshirt, NO BACKPACK right after the bomb went off. Compare to the ones posted by CNN, it is unmistakable. I spoke to the FBI and it is may be the best photo they have at current time!!! One step closer to taking these @!#?#'s down...share as much as you can so that if someone knows this person they can turn them in.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200425491872236&set=a.1231720685525.159892.1604384014&type=1&theater
 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200425491872236&set=a.1231720685525.159892.1604384014&type=1&theater)
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: acme54321 on April 19, 2013, 05:56:13 AM
Cops chased what they believe were the suspects around all night.  They shot a cop and supposedly were setting off explosives.  One dead, possibly from a suicide bomb.  The other is still on the loose.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 06:43:07 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1&

One Boston Bombing Suspect Is Dead
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 06:48:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/_pzCYi_XxeQ

Shoot out video...
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 06:50:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/DrUMVcOLvUA

Eyewitness interview of shootout...
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 06:53:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ebigdYDwWKA

Watertown shoot out Press Conferance...
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 07:13:19 AM
Perps may be Chechen???

http://www.cfr.org/terrorism/chechen-terrorism-russia-chechnya-separatist/p9181
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 08:36:14 AM
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/n6jtMNU56pYmvXhxto1ycQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTQ4Ng--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/07088a2a2a6c7b0d2f0f6a7067009be9.jpg)
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 19, 2013, 08:39:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/0lgTvAMP2Ak

Dead guy... in his own words...
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: fsquid on April 19, 2013, 09:25:16 AM
CNN giving out the suspect uncle's address might just be a new low for media.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 19, 2013, 01:08:42 PM
CNN has fallen substantially in my opinion of them.  Even after their huge missteps regarding a suspect identified and arrested yesterday, the misinformation has been flowing all day, from claiming one brother a medical student, to an engineering student to not going to any of the colleges already named.  I agree with fsquid about the release of the uncle's name.  Not only is that low on the part of CNN but it was also dangerous.  Someone finding out the unfortunate reality that a relation of theirs was the monster behind this horror should never be put in the spotlight for the actions of that relative in this case the uncle who is clearly devastated.  Honestly, in watching the interview with one uncle later on it was clear he was horrified at all he had found out and that he loved America.  I wanted to slap Wolf Blitzer upside of the head following that interview when he said the uncle had blamed America for the radicalization of the nephews.  Blitzer's statement is totally false and inflammatory.  A reporter asked the uncle if he thought the nephews had been radicalized in their native country, he responded no that in fact they were young when they left the country.  He then went on to state that if they were radicalized, it had to have happened here.  That is very different than placing blame.  CNN needs to get their act together.  I am finding it very hard to believe much of what is being reported and all these premature releases of false information is not making them any more credible.

 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: cityimrov on April 19, 2013, 05:21:44 PM
Boston is showing one big problem if everyone uses public transportation - government mandated shutdown. 

Read this "ALL Service on ALL Modes Currently SUSPENDED. Please check T-Alerts, MBTA.com, and @MBTAGM on Twitter for Updates."  http://www.mbta.com/rider_tools/transit_updates/

While catching the Boston bomber is an important cause, there are literally millions of people who are dependent on mass transit to survive.   When a city shutdowns the livelihood of people for an entire day, it can have dire consequences.  I know people who have no savings, no money who live paycheck to paycheck.  If they can't get to work, they don't eat that day.   At least with a car, even old junker, they have a chance of getting to work or calling a co-worker to pick them up.  If the transit option that everyone uses shutdown, they don't eat. 

Unless there is immediate and direct threat to the system or there is an infrastructure issue like weather, I don't think a system people depend on to survive should ever be shutdown.  Things like this will only strengthen the argument for more cars. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: thelakelander on April 19, 2013, 05:28:28 PM
The car argument also dies when another form of public infrastructure (ex. streets and bridges) are shut down in emergency situations.  It does happen from time to time.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: simms3 on April 19, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
I think Bostonians will be just fine.  There's nothing like watching a city really come together in time of tragedy and need.  I'm sure people are getting lifts, employers are more than understanding, etc etc.  There's already an app to transport people if you have a car (Sidecar), which is SF based like Uber, but I know from using it that it's also available in Boston...I'm sure people are going beyond the app and just offering rides at this point (again...easier to be social in a city as the recent study shows).

There are other apps like Lyft (ridesharing) that work similarly...I think at points of extreme such as when transit is shut down, people just want to help each other out.  NYC and SF and virtually all large cities (including Boston) have been there done that even before today's mobile society.  Remember Sandy took quite a toll on NYC and it didn't end up being a problem that the subways were down.

Now when you're stuck on a highway and a wreck occurs...that's worse IMO because you have no other options...you're stuck on the road.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: cityimrov on April 19, 2013, 05:48:21 PM
The car argument also dies when another form of public infrastructure (ex. streets and bridges) are shut down in emergency situations.  It does happen from time to time.

You can't shut down every single road unless you bring in the military.  The major ones, of course, but not all of them.  In Boston's case, the roads are still open, it's just the public transit system that's shut down. 


I think Bostonians will be just fine.  There's nothing like watching a city really come together in time of tragedy and need.  I'm sure people are getting lifts, employers are more than understanding, etc etc.  There's already an app to transport people if you have a car (Sidecar), which is SF based like Uber, but I know from using it that it's also available in Boston...I'm sure people are going beyond the app and just offering rides at this point (again...easier to be social in a city as the recent study shows).

There are other apps like Lyft (ridesharing) that work similarly...I think at points of extreme such as when transit is shut down, people just want to help each other out.  NYC and SF and virtually all large cities (including Boston) have been there done that even before today's mobile society.  Remember Sandy took quite a toll on NYC and it didn't end up being a problem that the subways were down.

Now when you're stuck on a highway and a wreck occurs...that's worse IMO because you have no other options...you're stuck on the road.

Can you prove this?  Will the employees give them the money they were suppose to earn but couldn't because of this threat?   I can prove my answer quite well.  No work means no pay.  No pay means no money for food.  Uber and Sidecar is not cheap.  In many cases, they are more expensive then a taxi.  Also, how can you get a ride when your neighbor and most your coworkers are also completely dependent on public transportation? 

Sandy was different.  That was an infrastructure issue. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: simms3 on April 19, 2013, 05:56:09 PM
^^^LOL you're talking about an infrastructure issue!  Whether the authority shuts down the trains or flooding shuts down the trains, the trains are shut down!

I can't prove that all employers are forgiving...but I can speak from experience having spent the last 7 years living in cities and working jobs where coworkers used transit (I don't own a car myself).  Many large systems experience delays, outages, they go "single-track" (you wouldn't understand that unless you lived in a city and commuted by rail), etc etc...just like rush hour TRAFFIC with cars on roads/highways, there are issues with transit systems, as well.  People and employers know this.  If you are late to work due to a wreck on the highway, does your employer scold you for something out of your control?  Hopefully not or you're working for an unreasonable (and unusual) employer.

I think in Boston's case, just like in the Sandy case (and just like in Loma Prieta in '89 in SF when both the trains AND the bridges were shut down), people work through it TOGETHER...employers are people just like their employees...many use the same means to get to work, and so they understand (or if they're in a town car now, they were in the trains 10-20 years ago).
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: thelakelander on April 19, 2013, 06:20:11 PM
Regarding the shut down of the transit system, virtually everything is shut down in Boston.  You're not supposed to be on the roads either:

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Following a fire fight between Massachusetts police officers and the two suspects believed to be behind the Boston Marathon bombings, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick on Friday ordered all residents to remain inside their homes while a manhunt continues to locate one of the suspects.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: cityimrov on April 19, 2013, 06:47:41 PM
I can't prove that all employers are forgiving...but I can speak from experience having spent the last 7 years living in cities and working jobs where coworkers used transit (I don't own a car myself).  Many large systems experience delays, outages, they go "single-track" (you wouldn't understand that unless you lived in a city and commuted by rail), etc etc...just like rush hour TRAFFIC with cars on roads/highways, there are issues with transit systems, as well.  People and employers know this.  If you are late to work due to a wreck on the highway, does your employer scold you for something out of your control?  Hopefully not or you're working for an unreasonable (and unusual) employer.

Don't you remember the Obamacare debate?  Do you remember the stories employers who reduces employees to 32 hours so they don't have to pay full time benefits?  It's a tough world out there and not everybody is a privileged white collared worker or belongs to a union. 

There's also a difference between a sporadic regional outage vs shutting down an area that has the population of 3 Jacksonvilles! 

Regarding the shut down of the transit system, virtually everything is shut down in Boston.  You're not supposed to be on the roads either:

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Following a fire fight between Massachusetts police officers and the two suspects believed to be behind the Boston Marathon bombings, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick on Friday ordered all residents to remain inside their homes while a manhunt continues to locate one of the suspects.

Is that an order or a request?  Did the governor order martial law for all of Boston?  I don't remember seeing anything about martial law being declared on the media, just an urging to stay indoors except for that one suburb. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: simms3 on April 19, 2013, 08:10:00 PM
Cityimrov, I think you're coming at this from a perspective that is opposite of a Bostonian or resident of similarly large/dense/expensive city.  Valid questions, but I don't think you grasp how different it is with regards to getting around in these larger cities.

There will never be an anti-transit push (quite the opposite).  Everyone knows transit's shortfalls, delays, etc.  Employers are forgiving, an occasional "delay on the tracks" excuse is no different from an occasional "elevator was down" excuse.  It's too difficult and expensive to own or use a car...even rich people take cabs/town cars/transit to work because few have the ability to even have parking, let alone pay for it, let alone the patience to sit in a funnel of 500,000 people into 2 square miles before you even begin scouting for your spot.

It's one of those "everyone's in it together" moments/truisms of the urban cities that are just not felt or comprehended by folks who have never had the pleasure of living in an urban environment.  Progressives in Jax are pushing for transit even though it's super cheap, easy and convenient to get around by car and transit is not needed.  In Boston, let me tell you, transit is NEEDED.  When it shuts down, it's an inconvenience that everyone faces together.  It's no different from being snowed in...smart people who are totally dependent on every hourly wage they can muster simply plan for a rainy day.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 19, 2013, 08:47:59 PM
Suspect alive and in custody as of 8:45 PM
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: cityimrov on April 19, 2013, 08:48:37 PM
Employers are forgiving, an occasional "delay on the tracks" excuse is no different from an occasional "elevator was down" excuse.

I have never lived in Boston so it could be a utopia that I don't know about.  I'm just under the impression based on talking to low income earners that their employers don't pay them their wages unless they are there.  Are you saying that employers in Boston are willing to pay the wages for someone who was suppose to come in that day but couldn't?
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: JeffreyS on April 19, 2013, 08:56:36 PM
#2 has been flushed out.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 19, 2013, 08:58:41 PM
Boston Police have confirmed the second suspect is alive and in custody!  This as a much needed backup to media reports which have certainly not been very accurate since this horrible event began.http://www.news4jax.com/news/Police-Marathon-bombings-suspect-in-custody/-/475880/19812484/-/format/rsss_2.0/-/akws4fz/-/index.html
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Cheshire Cat on April 19, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
Apparently the suspect has injuries and is being taken to a Boston hospital. 
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: simms3 on April 19, 2013, 09:04:50 PM
Employers are forgiving, an occasional "delay on the tracks" excuse is no different from an occasional "elevator was down" excuse.

I have never lived in Boston so it could be a utopia that I don't know about.  I'm just under the impression based on talking to low income earners that their employers don't pay them their wages unless they are there.  Are you saying that employers in Boston are willing to pay the wages for someone who was suppose to come in that day but couldn't?

I think people just plan for a rainy day.  Someone in Boston who commutes into the city likely makes $100K or more anyway, and someone who commutes "into" the city would face far more delays and roadblocks taking the limited and highly congested/tolled freeways in versus the train.

A low wage earner trying to get to their Pizza Hut job out in Medford or further might have a car (likely takes the bus, and works "close enough" where they can walk if necessary).  Does that answer your question?  What applies, mentality, convenience and otherwise, in Jacksonville, is different in Boston.  If downtown Jax had a quarter as much parking in it as it does today, and 10-20x the office space, with the same freeway access (typically highly tolled I might add...you pay $$$ to drive into Boston, SF, NYC, etc...and you pay $500+/mo for your parking, that is IF you can get a spot), you tell me what you would find generally easier and more reliable: car or train?  And once you're at that point, you are a big city where downtown workers' "market rate" pay is pretty steep.  Low wage earners who can't miss a day of work without starving are typically priced out of larger cities, or they receive major public assistance (the expansive programs in MA, CA, IL, NY and NJ would give the conservatives in Jax lethally high blood pressure, LoL).  Ok happy hour here I come and off this topic.  Pray for Boston!
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: carpnter on April 20, 2013, 10:37:15 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/20/ac-sot-boston-suspect-miranda-warning-analysis.cnn

I find it rather concerning that he won't be mirandized. If I remember hearing correctly the suspect is a US Citizen.  Why risk a chance of him getting off on a technicality?
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: buckethead on April 20, 2013, 11:28:28 AM
I wouldn't be overly concerned about the suspension of Miranda rights, carpntr. After all, this guy was a turrist.

To quote Martin Luther: "You're with us, or you're with the turrists."

I'd say we owe our Heroes a debt of gratitude. There they were, clad in stuffy combat gear, going door to door conducting illegal searches. (A thankless job) lining people up and shipping them out. PROTECTING. SERVING.

I think this will serve as useful training for the general populace as turrist attacks become more ubiquitous. The citizenry needs to understand how to properly submit to authority, and that such minor inconveniences are necessary to prevent future turrists from eluding pre trial execution.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 20, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
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There they were, clad in stuffy combat gear, going door to door conducting illegal searches.

Wonder if anyone asked to see a search warrant?  If so what happened... "No sir... we dont.  Sorry to bother you... good day sir"
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 20, 2013, 12:22:17 PM
Progressives in Jax are pushing for transit even though it's super cheap, easy and convenient to get around by car and transit is not needed.  In Boston, let me tell you, transit is NEEDED.

I would argue, "When do we build?" Shall Jacksonville wait until the density is such that we'd face crippling debit to get the initial lines up and running? Our population is booming, yes there have been up and down ticks but in a single lifetime I've seen the city rise from the neighborhood of 200,000 to 1.4 million... Simply do the math, what does the next 40-50 years hold? The clock is ticking throughout

Look at the Los Angles experience, (LA by the way, is a city we were often compared to in the 1915-1925 era). LA had 600 miles of streetcar lines, 1,200 miles of interurban lines (much of it on private right-of-way) as well as a few miles of subway. They junked the entire network down to the last spike and rail, to make a space for 'autotopia,' the deed was done by 1960. By 1975 the metroplex was so abysmal that 12 noon looked like 7 pm, smoke burned your eyes in 'Beautiful downtown Burbank," and gridlock was commonplace. It took an earthquake that destroyed freeway infrastructure and the loan of some of Toronto's commuter trains to wake them up. Florida's metropolitan areas are booming and waiting for some magic density number could ruin us.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: buckethead on April 21, 2013, 12:06:46 PM
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All of this was caused by two men, one who died Thursday night and one, a 19-year-old with at least one bullet wound, who spent a day running around bleeding everywhere and hiding in boats. They shut down a city, flummoxed the media, and got the cops to show off every crazy paramilitary gadget in the catalog.

I like this offering but I take exception to this broad mischaracterization of guilt before the fact. Done so not just by the media, but even by the President.

There was a time when the term "alleged" would have been incorporated into these types of statements. The distinction might seem small, but it is vital if we are truly to define ourselves as a free and just society.
Title: Re: BOMBS IN BOSTON
Post by: TheCat on April 21, 2013, 12:28:07 PM
This is the winner of the Boston Marathon. He is giving his medal to the family that lost their 8 year old boy.

(http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_r/Boston/2011-2020/2013/04/15/BostonGlobe.com/Sports/Images/tlumacki_Bostonmaratonfinish_sports198.r.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/v/k1s_nD5Xlpo