The Jaxson
Jacksonville by Neighborhood => The Burbs => Southside => Topic started by: thelakelander on January 10, 2013, 07:16:37 AM
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They don't build them like they used too:
Two years later the hotel needs $4 million in renovations, nearly half of the original construction costs.
Aloft Jacksonville Tapestry Park has closed for repairs two years after the hotel opened. The $4 million in repairs are almost half the $9.2 million it cost to build the hotel in the first place.
Scott Wellington, general manager, said he arrived at the 137-room hotel in June 2011, just five months after it opened at the corner of Southside Boulevard and Gate Parkway. And he started spotting trouble right away.
full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-01-09/story/aloft-hotel-south-jacksonville-forced-close-repairs#ixzz2HZf7AHRs
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It could have been worse. They could have just shut the hotel down until the legal proceedings had finished.
I am not sure if this is their own money or insurance that is covering the bill.
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shoddy work and bankruptcy, funny how these two go together.
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you got that Lake. They do not build like they use to.
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why does this not surprise me
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I wonder if there are any other Cox Schepp constructed buildings in this area?
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I wonder if there are any other Cox Schepp constructed buildings in this area?
probably. I did some business with them while I lived in Charlotte. They always took the lowball bidder on their subs (talking 15%+ less than any other bid) and it showed. I think they've built a good number of the Alofts in the Southeast (built all of the ones in Charlotte for sure).
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I read about this last night. That should really be ashamed. Two years after construction and the damn thing is falling apart. SMH
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Glad I stayed at the Hotel Indigo just a stones throw away 2 weeks ago.
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Well maybe now we'll get a leg up on Charlotte. While we have one defective hotel, theirs are probably all falling down. ;)
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This Aloft in the past has been very business it fits the class of people that for the most part stay at it. I'm glad they decided to close it down while repairs are made. When it reopens I will return! :)
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I stay at Alofts when I travel to mid sized cities, I like the concept.
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloft_Hotels
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We were sent this message via facebook. He/she wanted to remain anonymous.
Back when Aloft was being built, I was partially involved with one of the local Jax Subs in charge of structural concrete work. I knew by the time it was done that corners were cut and things were done cheap.
I partly blame the GC for screwing the subs and being cheap; however, the truth is, the owner/developer is to blame for creating a bid war where GC's under valued things just to get the job then had to deal with the headache after.
So it all trickled down from the owner/developer. They are to blame for being cheap. This is a boutique hotel done for $9mill! That is CHEAP! Some mansions people live in cost that much. It should have been a $12-$14mill project.
CoxSchepp, the GC, was forced to really work with what they had. I believe the owner deserves this for being cheap in the first place causing so many liens and unpaid vendors, laborers, etc..
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloft_Hotels
What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t! :)
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I remember this going up. From the comments about the stuff coming up through the tiles and the scaffolding of the building exterior what looks like EFIS I suspect they have water intrusion problems. The cost may go higher once they open up the walls.
Hotels, resturants, retail chains often use contractors they have a previous relationship with. Which means they will be an out of town contractor somewhere. I suspect too the architect and water proofing consultants were charged for "economical" design details.
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloft_Hotels
What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t! :)
Well I'm glad for Aloft, Hyatt Place, Spring Hill Suites etc etc etc. If you don't then stay at a Motel 6, Ramada, Knights Inn etc etc etc but bring your gun?
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloft_Hotels
What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t! :)
Well I'm glad for Aloft, Hyatt Place, Spring Hill Suites etc etc etc. If you don't then stay at a Motel 6, Ramada, Knights Inn etc etc etc but bring your gun?
There are plenty of nice (and stylish, well-appointed) hotels that don't feel the need to call the pool 'splash' or greet guests with 'aloha'.
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Since I get pretty decent discounts via a family member employed by the Marriott chain, I've never stayed at Aloft. How does it compare with a Springhill Suites, Residence Inn or Courtyard by Marriott?
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
Or confuse words like urban, hip and trendy with cheap, pre-fabricated and lowest bidder.
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
Or confuse words like urban, hip and trendy with cheap, pre-fabricated and lowest bidder.
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Fixed. ;)
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
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I stayed in an aloft in downtown Tallahassee last time I was there. I appreciated the inexpensive rates, the location, and the "boutique hotel" vibe (and bar). For the price it was a good experience, much better than the Holiday Inn off the interstate and similar options.
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I stay in them mainly because they have a bar and the people staying in them are around my age. When I'm in a larger city, I usually go Westin.
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Since I get pretty decent discounts via a family member employed by the Marriott chain, I've never stayed at Aloft. How does it compare with a Springhill Suites, Residence Inn or Courtyard by Marriott?
They don't really compare to any of the Marriott brands...a new Courtyard would be the closest, but even then, not really.
This is a newer concept of hotels deemed "lifestyle brands" or "select service" hotels.
They are more like Hyatt's "Hyatt Place" and InterContinental/Crowne Plaza's "Hotel Indigo"
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Thanks. I think I've stayed in a Hyatt Place once.
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloft_Hotels
What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t! :)
Well I'm glad for Aloft, Hyatt Place, Spring Hill Suites etc etc etc. If you don't then stay at a Motel 6, Ramada, Knights Inn etc etc etc but bring your gun?
Well good for you! ;)
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I can't stand Aloft...it's like staying in a college dorm room. Not sure what the fuss is about. I'd take Hotel Indigo any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloft_Hotels
What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t! :)
Well I'm glad for Aloft, Hyatt Place, Spring Hill Suites etc etc etc. If you don't then stay at a Motel 6, Ramada, Knights Inn etc etc etc but bring your gun?
There are plenty of nice (and stylish, well-appointed) hotels that don't feel the need to call the pool 'splash' or greet guests with 'aloha'.
Thanx, Adam. :)
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Aloft is also pet friendly without charging extra and has free wifi. The bar is decent and they at least take a stab at making a legitimate cocktail. I paid $70/nt at the one in Tally. You can't beat it.
I wouldn't use it for a vacation spot, but it's a great road hotel.
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
(My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative.) Adam W. if you go back to why I said this you will find that BackinJax05 said (What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t!) and this is why I said stay at a Motel 6, Ramada or a Knights Inn.
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCNnOOkRaGY
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCNnOOkRaGY
You know, I wasn't going to reply, but then you posted this, so I feel you've given me no choice.
You complain that people say you're a troll and that they don't take you seriously, etc. I have attempted to engage you and respond to your posts and give you the benefit of the doubt. And this is how you respond to a bit of criticism? I won't bother anymore.
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
(My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative.) Adam W. if you go back to why I said this you will find that BackinJax05 said (What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t!) and this is why I said stay at a Motel 6, Ramada or a Knights Inn.
And I STILL think its a stupid concept. That is my opinion about the hotel, and sissy boutique hotels in general. It was not - and still is not - a personal attack on anyone who likes that kind of stuff. If someone likes Aloft, fine. Enjoy your trip and stay safe. :D
As for me, I'll pass on Motel 6, Ramada, or Knights Inn. They cost a little more, but you cant go wrong with Marriott.
PS: You left Red Roof Inn off the bad hotels list. They should be called Red LIGHT Inn, especially the one in Southpoint on any Saturday night. :-* :'( 8)
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
(My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative.) Adam W. if you go back to why I said this you will find that BackinJax05 said (What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t!) and this is why I said stay at a Motel 6, Ramada or a Knights Inn.
And I STILL think its a stupid concept. That is my opinion about the hotel, and sissy boutique hotels in general. It was not - and still is not - a personal attack on anyone who likes that kind of stuff. If someone likes Aloft, fine. Enjoy your trip and stay safe. :D
As for me, I'll pass on Motel 6, Ramada, or Knights Inn. They cost a little more, but you cant go wrong with Marriott.
PS: You left Red Roof Inn off the bad hotels list. They should be called Red LIGHT Inn, especially the one in Southpoint on any Saturday night. :-* :'( 8)
I think Marriott hotels are usually pretty nice - of course, with chains, it often comes down to the individual location. Newer ones tend to be nicer than older ones, etc. But as a brand, I think Marriott tends to know what they're doing.
We recently stayed in a brand new Ramada and it was really nice. Granted it was brand new and it was in Amsterdam, so it probably wasn't your run-of-the mill Ramada. But it had the boutique kind of feel to it without the cheesy elements described in the Wikipedia article about Aloft hotels.
I totally understand your gripes about Aloft. I want a nice room. Hell, I want a nice-looking room. And I do appreciate or prefer hotels that put more thought into design - I think it makes a difference. I get tired of staying in rooms that all look and feel the same. But the cutesy shit just seems so patronizing.
It's a shame about the hotel, though. I hope they can sort it out and reopen.
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Or better yet, open up something cooler that doesnt use jingoistic phrases for 'pool'?
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that wasnt directed at you adam or meant in a challenging kind of way. But it would be nice to develop the idea of accomodations as Third Place in greater iterations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place
I agree that 'splash' is a bit jingoistic---although that certainly isnt a dealbreaker for me.
My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative. I generally like hotels that are like Aloft (admittedly, I've not been to Aloft, I only read about it, but I'm familiar with the concept) - so I know that there are other options out there that don't have kooky names for pools or don't seem to try so hard to be 'different' or whatever.
When I read about the 'aloha' thing, it reminded me somehow of Moe's. How when you walk into Moe's and everyone yells, "Welcome to Moe's" at you. That irritates me - though it didn't stop me from going there, apparently ::)
(My main issue was that I thought If I Loved You's statement was a bit of a false dichotomy or whatever - that if you don't like Aloft, then you have to accept shitty hotels as your only other alternative.) Adam W. if you go back to why I said this you will find that BackinJax05 said (What a stupid concept. Just gimme a room. Forget all the cutesy sh t!) and this is why I said stay at a Motel 6, Ramada or a Knights Inn.
And I STILL think its a stupid concept. That is my opinion about the hotel, and sissy boutique hotels in general. It was not - and still is not - a personal attack on anyone who likes that kind of stuff. If someone likes Aloft, fine. Enjoy your trip and stay safe. :D
As for me, I'll pass on Motel 6, Ramada, or Knights Inn. They cost a little more, but you cant go wrong with Marriott.
PS: You left Red Roof Inn off the bad hotels list. They should be called Red LIGHT Inn, especially the one in Southpoint on any Saturday night. :-* :'( 8)
I have stayed at a lot of different Marriott hotels over the years and I really like the fact that they are 100% smoke free. Great for the guests and great for the employee's. ;)
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^^ Smoke free hotels are the greatest thing since sliced bread! ^^
Having worked in hotels that had the old "smoking rooms", NOTHING gets rid of the stench of stale cigarettes. We'd change the sheets - all the way down to the mattress - and change the towels. Then blast the room with air freshener. The air freshener worked for a few minutes, but the stench would always come back.
Hopefully Alofts are smoke free, though I'll never find out ;)
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I totally understand your gripes about Aloft. I want a nice room. Hell, I want a nice-looking room. And I do appreciate or prefer hotels that put more thought into design - I think it makes a difference. I get tired of staying in rooms that all look and feel the same. But the cutesy shit just seems so patronizing.
The Holiday Inn & Conference Center in Ocala claims to be a boutique hotel. Its a nice place. Yes, it has some of the cutesy shit we both know and love, but they keep it subtle :)
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I totally understand your gripes about Aloft. I want a nice room. Hell, I want a nice-looking room. And I do appreciate or prefer hotels that put more thought into design - I think it makes a difference. I get tired of staying in rooms that all look and feel the same. But the cutesy shit just seems so patronizing.
The Holiday Inn & Conference Center in Ocala claims to be a boutique hotel. Its a nice place. Yes, it has some of the cutesy shit we both know and love, but they keep it subtle :)
Holiday Inn feels they are keeping up with the times at this Ocala, Fl hotel. which is owned by the InterContinental Hotels Group. As is Holiday Inn Express, StayBridge Suites, CandleWood Suites, Hotel Indigo, Crowne Plaza Hotels and Resorts and InterContinental Hotels and Resorts. I have stayed at StayBridge Suites, Holiday Inn and Holiday Inn Express hotels across America. I have found some of the original Holiday Inn's to be old and not up to date and over priced in general. The best value to me in this Hotel Group is the Holiday Inn Express and the StayBridge Suites as long as you don't go during a high peak time of the season or date in general.
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^^ The Holiday Inn at Ocala, like all Holiday Inns, is STAY AND KIDS EAT FREE!
Some of my best family vacation memories are stopping at the roadside Holiday Inns (with the enormous sign out front), swimming in the questionably clean pool, and eating the bland, cliche' food in the restaurant - for free.
If Aloft can top Holiday Inn's original concept, I'll stay with them :)