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Title: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on February 19, 2008, 04:00:00 AM
February 2008 Downtown Construction Update

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A look at the status of downtown's major construction projects in February 2008.

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/718
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: jeh1980 on February 19, 2008, 02:37:01 PM
Great updates! Jacksonville is the city on the rise :D 8).
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: konstantconsumer on February 19, 2008, 04:41:12 PM
do you have any more info on the churchwell lofts?  assuming that the new courthouse will not be occurring in the near future, it would be a perfect location for a future criminal law attorney...
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: fhrathore on February 19, 2008, 09:58:28 PM
When is shipyards supposed to be complete?
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: thelakelander on February 19, 2008, 10:05:33 PM
a decade or so after the courthouse is completed.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: mtraininjax on February 29, 2008, 02:09:08 AM
What no report on Cameron Kuhn and his new "vision", as he looks out on the city from his prison bars? LOL! :o
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: midnightblackrx on February 29, 2008, 01:42:19 PM
have they completed the investigation into the Parking garage collapse?
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Steve on February 29, 2008, 01:51:59 PM
I heard a rumor that it had to do with the ground not being packed down well at the site (since that was reclaimed land and part of the ports in the early days.  However, I don't know if thats true.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: reednavy on February 29, 2008, 02:51:20 PM
If only it would've been the jail to collapse, then it could be moved. I'm still looking forward to this topping out, it will be an emotional ceremony for sure, since a life was lost in the process. Either way, it is a nice complex and extends the skyline just a lil further east.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: midnightblackrx on February 29, 2008, 05:05:15 PM
I heard a rumor that it had to do with the ground not being packed down well at the site (since that was reclaimed land and part of the ports in the early days.  However, I don't know if thats true.

Thats a scary thought considering the tower will be constructed on the same soils...I thought it would have to do with the concrete not being strong enough to hold the weight of the decks above.  This is more worrisome imo.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Seraphs on February 29, 2008, 06:56:04 PM
If the collaspe was due to soil some serious testing should be done before the tower resumes.  However, I doubt this is the true cause.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: reednavy on February 29, 2008, 07:32:02 PM
I do as well. I do remember people stating that areas appeared slightly sagged lower than others, and cracking around columns in those areas. It could be the concrete itsself that failed due to inconsistencies in the concrete's mixture. Also, it may have settled and/or hardened wrong, before, or after other areas, causing structual deformities, and the eventual collapse. i'm no expert or anything, but I'm highly sure it has to do with the concrete itsself, and not the soil.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Coolyfett on February 29, 2008, 07:40:40 PM
I heard a rumor that it had to do with the ground not being packed down well at the site (since that was reclaimed land and part of the ports in the early days.  However, I don't know if thats true.

 :o.......

The original Berkman Plaza is slowing sinking into that same soil. Maybe someone should ask them why the pipes keep bursting...........
























walks off whistling.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: 02roadking on March 01, 2008, 07:29:35 AM
 Would they really build another tower if the other was sinking?   ??? 
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: billy on March 01, 2008, 08:42:14 AM
One way failure could have occured on the deck is inadequete temporary shoring
of the deck slabs.

That's not to say that there could be geotechnical problems ( settling), since all
of that area is fill placed behind bulkheads on what was once river and wharves.
In theory, soil testing and foundation design should prevent settling.

The sudden nature of the accident would indicate that something else, or a combination of factors, caused the accident.

Until the investigation is complete, no one knows.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: reednavy on March 01, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
I'm sad to report, The Peninsula's tower crane is currently disassembling itsself as I type this. I'm watchin from a distance at NAS JAX, kinda sad. :(
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Coolyfett on March 01, 2008, 10:49:18 AM
Would they really build another tower if the other was sinking?   ??? 

Good question. Maybe they figured it would eventually settle. Either way, that land east of Bay Street is a little suspect once you pass Liberty. I hope they get it developed though.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Basstacular on March 01, 2008, 12:09:27 PM
Construction on the tower and clean-up on the garage are set to resume very, very soon (the coming days).  I find it extremely hard to believe the city, insurance companies and every other lawyer or engineer involved would give a greenlight to resume construction if they felt the soil below was not able to support this structure or that that was the reason for the garage collapse.  This project is moving forward, will be completed and all the concerns will be put to rest very soon.  You can take that to the bank from someone who is very informed about this project.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Basstacular on March 01, 2008, 12:16:27 PM
reednavy
March 1, 2008, 10:36 am
Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update

I'm sad to report, The Peninsula's tower crane is currently disassembling itsself as I type this. I'm watchin from a distance at NAS JAX, kinda sad.   

I am not trying to be sarcastic at all, but don't they usually take the crane down one the building is complete.  The Peninsula is virtually finished on the outside and the crane doesn't seem to be needed.  Isn't that a good thing?
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: fhrathore on March 05, 2008, 08:00:41 PM
so when is construction gonna re-start on Berkman II...
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Jason on March 06, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
reednavy
March 1, 2008, 10:36 am
Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update

I'm sad to report, The Peninsula's tower crane is currently disassembling itsself as I type this. I'm watchin from a distance at NAS JAX, kinda sad.   

I am not trying to be sarcastic at all, but don't they usually take the crane down one the building is complete.  The Peninsula is virtually finished on the outside and the crane doesn't seem to be needed.  Isn't that a good thing?


It is a good thing, but at the same time tower cranes are a sign of growth and unless they are replaced by a crane on another site then their removal can also mark the end of the boom.  Its a bittersweet sign.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: reednavy on March 06, 2008, 02:02:17 PM
Here's to BP 2 to getting started shortly. It'll definetly be a great thing to get this done. Now, if only Shipyards would make a renaissance return!
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Basstacular on March 06, 2008, 02:09:42 PM
Speaking of the Shipyards property, which in my opinion is crucial in building and attracting some sort of commercial space and devlopment to bridge the sports district with the current and any future Bay street business.  My questions is in regard to any rumors that LandMar was in negotiation with a major hotel chain to sell off a piece of the property to them.  I've heard all sorts of rumors, but nothing solid.  Does anyone have any word on this? 

P.S.  Demolition team just left with the first bin of debris from BP2 garage.  Clean-up has started, and construction will resume right behind it.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Steve on March 06, 2008, 02:10:47 PM
Speaking of the Shipyards property, which in my opinion is crucial in building and attracting some sort of commercial space and devlopment to bridge the sports district with the current and any future Bay street business.  My questions is in regard to any rumors that LandMar was in negotiation with a major hotel chain to sell off a piece of the property to them.  I've heard all sorts of rumors, but nothing solid.  Does anyone have any word on this?

I hadn't heard that rumor, but I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering the fantastic housing market.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Basstacular on March 06, 2008, 02:15:20 PM
 BP2 is scheduled to begin construction back on the tower first of next week.  Both the clean-up on garage, which has started and construction starting back on the tower are supposed to start slowly and really pick-up steam and move along rapidly.  A three month delay is not nearly as long as it could of been given the magnitude of this accident.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Jason on March 06, 2008, 02:16:45 PM
I'm actually suprised that things are moving forward so soon.  I figured (because someone died) that there would be at least a 6 month hiatus.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Basstacular on March 06, 2008, 02:19:04 PM
I truly think the city had some influence in getting this project back on track.  O.S.H.A could have shut the site down for six months if they wanted, so Downtown should feel fortunate it was only a three month delay.  The report is now Spring of 2009 completion, which would not be bad.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Steve on March 06, 2008, 02:24:44 PM
I'm curious what will happen to the price of the units - What them go down, but HOA's will go us because of insurance.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: reednavy on March 06, 2008, 02:40:08 PM
I'm actually surprised as well. Also, it leaves us with the only remaining tower crane in JAX, besides the several working at the Northside Generating Station. Hopefully 2009 will be a good year, all I know is, 2008 is going to be a long, rough year for the economy. Is it November yet?!
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Basstacular on March 12, 2008, 02:38:27 PM
Take a peak at BP2, the remaining part of the garage is demolished and CST is starting to haul debris away.  Tower construction should commence soon.  Keep the faith for Downtown residential, there still are buyers out there.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: jeh1980 on March 18, 2008, 05:34:36 PM
That office building that would take the place of "Jaguar Ugly", I wonder if it's either a high-rise (maybe 13 to 18 stories or more) or a mid-rise. Hmmm! ::)
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: thelakelander on March 18, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Its a one story building.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: jeh1980 on March 18, 2008, 11:08:24 PM
Its a one story building.
Oh...okay. But, I still like to see more high-rises in the near future.
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Ocklawaha on March 19, 2008, 06:13:09 AM
Why all the doom and gloom? Hell, we're getting that new VW place and a new tire warehouse too. If we play by JTA's rules, we shoudl already qualify for at least a 10 floor "JACKSONVILLE TRACTION COMPANY BUILDING". Just imagine the offices we can build if we actually lay some track.

Look at LaVilla, they plan 10 - 15 story "POTATO CHIP TRUCK - THINKS IT A BUS Tower" JTA... Moving people, in house coffee machines and re-treds with restricted speeds  "Think rail and ride the bus..." sort of like "Think skyscraper and sleep in your tent..."


Ocklawaha
Title: Re: February 2008 Downtown Construction Update
Post by: Jason on March 19, 2008, 08:26:27 AM
"Think rail and ride the bus..." sort of like "Think skyscraper and sleep in your tent..."


I nominate this for quote of the year Ock!!