The Jaxson

Jacksonville by Neighborhood => Downtown => Topic started by: Metro Jacksonville on January 10, 2012, 03:26:57 AM

Title: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on January 10, 2012, 03:26:57 AM
220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1665761343_67xCMDs-M.jpg)

Plans are in the works for the urban core's next mixed-use, multi-family residential community.  Proposed by NAI Hallmark Partners and Bristol Development Group, 220 Riverside will be constructed adjacent to Unity Plaza at Forest Street and Riverside Avenue.

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2012-jan-220-riverside-coming-to-brooklyn
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Noone on January 10, 2012, 04:15:39 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: dougskiles on January 10, 2012, 07:59:23 AM
Wonderful.  How real is it?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fieldafm on January 10, 2012, 08:06:25 AM
Wonderful.  How real is it?

Pretty real... they changed their original plans(you'll notice no hotel-that suitor is now looking at the core) specifically b/c of the investment partnership with Bristol.  Smart move on their part.  The apartment community market is very, very hot right now.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: copperfiend on January 10, 2012, 08:08:20 AM
To quote Freddie Mercury. Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 08:20:00 AM
I've talked with some folks at Hallmark Partners.....as field noted, right now the rental market is pretty strong....and given the location, they feel this is a winner.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: acme54321 on January 10, 2012, 08:22:34 AM
(you'll notice no hotel-that suitor is now looking at the core)

Please elaborate.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: JeffreyS on January 10, 2012, 08:23:38 AM
So by mixed use do you mean they are planing to include, retail, dining and office space in the project?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: dougskiles on January 10, 2012, 08:28:36 AM
Was the previous project vested in a development agreement for concurrency?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fieldafm on January 10, 2012, 08:29:08 AM
No office space, as is my understanding.

Quote
Please elaborate.

They're sniffing around three spots.  Nothing has happened yet(two of the sites require public subsidies)
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: acme54321 on January 10, 2012, 08:33:43 AM
No office space, as is my understanding.

Quote
Please elaborate.

They're sniffing around three spots.  Nothing has happened yet(two of the sites require public subsidies)

I'm assuming one of them is the old Barnett Bank?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 08:35:24 AM
So by mixed use do you mean they are planing to include, retail, dining and office space in the project?

as you can see in the drawings, there is ground floor commercial space....for things like a cafe, coffee shop, dry cleaners, etc.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
Was the previous project vested in a development agreement for concurrency?

it is inside the downtown Transportation Concurrency Exception Area boundary....so they would have been required to give money for things like brick sidewalks and nice lighting
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on January 10, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
....or.....streetcar if that became a priority project over the streetscapes of last decade.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 08:44:17 AM
agreed...but sadly, that's not how the TCEA got written
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on January 10, 2012, 08:56:32 AM
The TCEA ended up getting adopted into the mobility plan.  Without getting into too much detail, I'd assume a developer within it's boundaries would be privy to the same policies and potential exceptions as developers in other mobility zones.  Thus, there may be a loophole where one could specifically request that their mobility fee dollars go towards a specific infrastructure project.  Nevertheless, none of this really matters right now since there is a moratorium.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 10, 2012, 09:10:41 AM
When this project was first proposed, Marks Gray was going to relocate their office to this site and I believe they were an equity partner in the development.  Have they dropped out??  Do they plan to relocate to anywhere else??

This is very good news.  We inject some life into an otherwise dead stretch of land between two of Jacksonville's busiest areas, it gives some ROI for the city's investment in unity plaza, it builds the residential stock in the core, and hopefully it will bring some good dining and retail to the area.  I'm very skeptical, but I'll hold off on that until later.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Tacachale on January 10, 2012, 09:16:19 AM
It's very good to see some movement here. Do we have a proposed timeframe?

And what's going on with Unity Plaza? Whatever it is, expect the amphitheater to get cut if it's that close to residents. Too many small minded Grinches concerned about the "noise, noise, noise, noise!"
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: KenFSU on January 10, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
Quote
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1665761343_67xCMDs-M.jpg)

When complete, 220 Riverside will include 280 units in a seven-story urban design configuration, with views of Unity Plaza and the St. Johns River.

Maybe I'm looking at the renders wrong, but looks like six stories to me.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fsujax on January 10, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
This is a great project. The corridor is primed for development. I honestly would like to see something like an Aloft hotel somewhere in that area. IS there any retail component to this? I can't tell.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: exnewsman on January 10, 2012, 09:29:27 AM
Besides the hotel and office building being gone, it looks like the trolley station is also gone.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 09:29:46 AM
When this project was first proposed, Marks Gray was going to relocate their office to this site and I believe they were an equity partner in the development.  Have they dropped out??  Do they plan to relocate to anywhere else??

yes....there were 3-4 companies that had committeed to office space...all have since dropped out

as for the ampitheater...it wasn't a whole lot different from the thing on the river at RAM....just some terraced steps and a small stage area....I think that will still be fine for jazz/acoustic shows that take place in early evening.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fsujax on January 10, 2012, 09:30:58 AM
Why have a trolley station when the Riverside Trolley is on its last wheel?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
IS there any retail component to this? I can't tell.

if you look at the drawing, you will see there is ground floor retail space
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 10, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
as for the ampitheater...it wasn't a whole lot different from the thing on the river at RAM....just some terraced steps and a small stage area....I think that will still be fine for jazz/acoustic shows that take place in early evening.

So Crunchay Sunday won't be moving to Brooklyn?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fsujax on January 10, 2012, 09:34:08 AM
I saw it, but wasn't sure if that was added just to spice it up a little.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 09:36:07 AM
I saw it, but wasn't sure if that was added just to spice it up a little.

I'm sure the design includes retail space....but as can be seen with the Carling, 11E, and Everbank PLaza, whether it gets leased or not is a different matter
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 09:36:43 AM
Quote
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1665761343_67xCMDs-M.jpg)

When complete, 220 Riverside will include 280 units in a seven-story urban design configuration, with views of Unity Plaza and the St. Johns River.

Maybe I'm looking at the renders wrong, but looks like six stories to me.

back building has 7 stories
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fieldafm on January 10, 2012, 10:29:40 AM
Was the previous project vested in a development agreement for concurrency?

According to JEDC, Hallmark has an allocation of development rights agreement and a redevelopment agreement with the City of Jacksonville.  The Downtown DRI is not subject to concurrency nor the mobility plan. 
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Ralph W on January 10, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
Perfect location for a fancy Skyway extension station.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 10, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
Perfect location for a fancy Skyway extension station.

and every time a bell rings, an angel gets its wings.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ben says on January 10, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
I hope this place isn't another cookie cutter, 1661 style building. Very exciting development, though!
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: hightowerlover on January 10, 2012, 11:39:20 AM
any word on any of the retail merchants interested in the ground level?  also, looks like they have the potential to do a phase 2 next door and perhaps one day win a hotel?  glad to see they're rentals, they'll have pretty nice views!
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: comncense on January 10, 2012, 11:39:35 AM
So these would be rental residences? IF this happens to get built, I'd really consider moving from my place Downtown. I just hope they don't price it at a ridiculously crazy price point. i.e. The Strand.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: dougskiles on January 10, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
The Downtown DRI is not subject to concurrency nor the mobility plan.

I knew that was the case for concurrency, but didn't realize it applied under the new mobility plan.  Another casualty of the moratorium: taking away the incentives to develop downtown instead of the 'burbs due to lower cost of development fees.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I hope this place isn't another cookie cutter, 1661 style building. Very exciting development, though!

actually I think 1661 is quite nice....they went through a lot trying to match the nearby architecture, provide ground floor retail, structured parking, etc.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on January 10, 2012, 12:34:35 PM
So these would be rental residences? IF this happens to get built, I'd really consider moving from my place Downtown. I just hope they don't price it at a ridiculously crazy price point. i.e. The Strand.

I don't think this is meant to be a "cheap" building....I'd bet that these will rent for $1-$1.50 per square foot....which means that a 1 bdr might rent for as little as $750 and a 2bdr for as much as $1200...I'm sure the view will play a role in that.

what's a crazy price point for you?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on January 10, 2012, 12:40:12 PM
Unless there was a last minute modification by council, downtown is included in the mobility plan. However, the projects were those already on the JEDC's list (ie. streetscapes). Since there's a moratorium, no new money should flow into it either.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: fieldafm on January 10, 2012, 12:55:39 PM
The Downtown DRI is not subject to concurrency nor the mobility plan.

I knew that was the case for concurrency, but didn't realize it applied under the new mobility plan. 

That is in effect until 1-01-2018.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: duvaldude08 on January 10, 2012, 01:02:31 PM
Yes! The dead has a-risen. And the rental market is VERY hot right now. That is one reason Im in the process of buying a house. My rent has been going up between 40-60 every year and the rent office even told me its because the rental market has picked up, because of the housing crisis.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: urbaknight on January 10, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
This plan is much better than the 4 story plan. This is pretty close to the places that I keep referring to up north. It's a little different, a little more spread out. But I still like the plan alot. I really hope it gets built though, looks to urban and pedestrian friendly for JAX to take to it. Keep your fingers crossed for this one.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: jcjohnpaint on January 10, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
Yeah I do hope this happens.  What is the parcel across Magnolia Street?  It looks to be part of the design. 
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: hightowerlover on January 10, 2012, 04:18:56 PM
I'm sure glad that THIS:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/assets/thumbs/image.515.feature.jpg)
Then turned into THIS:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/assets/thumbs/image.1184.feature.jpg)

Then turned into THIS, much better use of the property density given the water feature asset, and most should get river views instead of being a parking lot:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1665761342_H2RQmsB-M.jpg)
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: JaxNative68 on January 10, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
Anyone know who the design architects are?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Tacachale on January 10, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
That's a solid evolution of the design, though all of them are better than we often see in these parts. I really hope this comes together.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: comncense on January 10, 2012, 05:08:02 PM
So these would be rental residences? IF this happens to get built, I'd really consider moving from my place Downtown. I just hope they don't price it at a ridiculously crazy price point. i.e. The Strand.

I don't think this is meant to be a "cheap" building....I'd bet that these will rent for $1-$1.50 per square foot....which means that a 1 bdr might rent for as little as $750 and a 2bdr for as much as $1200...I'm sure the view will play a role in that.

what's a crazy price point for you?

A crazy price point for me is like $1,300 for a studio. I pay a little more that for a 1 bdr downtown right now and paid about the same on a mortgage on a new house before I moved Downtown.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: iMarvin on January 10, 2012, 05:53:50 PM
I haven't been on in a few days and I see this AND the "Flager Line" (great name) on the front page... The best news so far this year! I'm super excited for both projects. I hope more projects start to come back to life.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: jason_contentdg on January 10, 2012, 06:39:54 PM

The architects appear to be Studio9...
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on January 10, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
I'm sure glad that THIS:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/assets/thumbs/image.515.feature.jpg)
Then turned into THIS:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/assets/thumbs/image.1184.feature.jpg)

Then turned into THIS, much better use of the property density given the water feature asset, and most should get river views instead of being a parking lot:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1665761342_H2RQmsB-M.jpg)

The first rendering was the old Brooklyn Park proposal next door. That site will probably become a mixed use office development .
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: acme54321 on January 10, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
What is the parcel across Magnolia Street?  It looks to be part of the design.

x2?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on January 10, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
Not for sure but it looks like retail bays.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Dashing Dan on January 10, 2012, 10:21:48 PM
For this to take off there's going to have to be a lot of (noisy) stuff going on at street level.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: exnewsman on January 11, 2012, 05:35:24 PM
What's the deal with the address change? The project was originally 200 Riverside, now 220 Riverside but in the same location.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on January 11, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
Looking at the site plan it appears that this project doesn't include the entire site.  The 200 block appears to be the portion that will remain undeveloped initially.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: jcjohnpaint on January 11, 2012, 07:03:01 PM
probably a better chance of the project getting done this way
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: goldy21 on February 24, 2012, 02:10:21 PM
FTU Story:

http://jacksonville.com/community/riverside/2012-02-24/story/apartment-complex-planned-brooklyn-neighborhood-along-riverside

And stay tuned for some other major Riverside Ave/Brooklyn news $$$... :-X
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Tacachale on February 24, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
I saw that. I'm cautiously optimistic about this.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ben says on February 24, 2012, 06:15:15 PM
I saw that. I'm cautiously optimistic about this.

Very cautiously optimistic, here. This is a golden opportunity. Let's not mess this one up. Key: making the ground level stores high volume.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: tufsu1 on February 24, 2012, 10:54:05 PM
And stay tuned for some other major Riverside Ave/Brooklyn news $$$... :-X

you mean like big-city developers (from Miami for example) looking at the old Brooklyn Park site?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ubben on February 25, 2012, 08:42:27 AM
It's too bad they aren't building condos at this site. A friend of mine just moved here and she's been looking for a condo in the Riverside/Avondale area and there are surprisingly few choices if you want any kind of view, affordability or construction after 1990. Hopefully the next phase will include a tower of condos.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ben says on February 25, 2012, 10:09:39 AM
It's too bad they aren't building condos at this site. A friend of mine just moved here and she's been looking for a condo in the Riverside/Avondale area and there are surprisingly few choices if you want any kind of view, affordability or construction after 1990. Hopefully the next phase will include a tower of condos.

John Gorrie???
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: cline on February 25, 2012, 01:01:10 PM
1661??
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on February 25, 2012, 04:25:51 PM
Oak Street Lofts?  After those three, you're just about out of luck.  Not surprisingly, Jacksonville doesn't offer as much of a variety in recently built urban housing types as most of its peers.  Hopefully, that will change in the future.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: duvaldude08 on February 25, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
It's too bad they aren't building condos at this site. A friend of mine just moved here and she's been looking for a condo in the Riverside/Avondale area and there are surprisingly few choices if you want any kind of view, affordability or construction after 1990. Hopefully the next phase will include a tower of condos.

I think it was smart to go Apartment vs condos. Like the article stated, the apartment market is blazing right now. With the house market in such bad shape, apartment is living is on the rise.  Florida in particular went over board on the condos and alot of them now sit empty. I really hope this breaks gound mid year. We need this momentum.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: floridaforester on February 25, 2012, 10:59:32 PM
Oak Street Lofts?  After those three, you're just about out of luck.  Not surprisingly, Jacksonville doesn't offer as much of a variety in recently built urban housing types as most of its peers.  Hopefully, that will change in the future.

Not familiar with Oak st lofts.  Only condos I know of on Oak St is the Frances Court condos at corner of Oak & Acosta and they were built in 1919.   Did you mean The Chelsea Lofts on Herschel?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: thelakelander on February 25, 2012, 11:06:38 PM
My bad. Yes, the Chelsea Lofts.  Oak Street Lofts never made it off the drawing board.  That site is now where Chew is going up.

(http://www.fisherkoppenhafer.com/projects/OakStreet-sm.jpg)
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: floridaforester on February 26, 2012, 12:34:57 AM
Yes, I had forgotten about those plans.  Looking at the pic you posted, I'm kind of wishing that they had done condos instead of offices.  Living on Herschel, I really think that actual residents are far more beneficial to the neighborhood than office tenants.  Just the other day at a property (single family home) zoned for a business on my block, an office employee  put out a pile of styrofoam at the curb several days before trash pick-up (& not in a garbage can, of course).   Of course the 30 mph winds had a field day with that garbage and many of the residents on the street were picking up pieces of styrofoam out of their landscaping the rest of the week.  Needless to say, an owner occupant would have been considerate of neighbors and the neighborhood in general.  The office workers couldn't give a rat's ass about the neighborhood's welfare b/c they're simply concerned about getting back to Mandarin before soccer practice.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Dog Walker on February 26, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
It's too bad they aren't building condos at this site. A friend of mine just moved here and she's been looking for a condo in the Riverside/Avondale area and there are surprisingly few choices if you want any kind of view, affordability or construction after 1990. Hopefully the next phase will include a tower of condos.

I think it was smart to go Apartment vs condos. Like the article stated, the apartment market is blazing right now. With the house market in such bad shape, apartment is living is on the rise.  Florida in particular went over board on the condos and alot of them now sit empty. I really hope this breaks gound mid year. We need this momentum.

Apartments can also be converted to condos later when the market shifts.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: goldy21 on February 27, 2012, 10:56:25 AM
And stay tuned for some other major Riverside Ave/Brooklyn news $$$... :-X

you mean like big-city developers (from Miami for example) looking at the old Brooklyn Park site?

No.  Pretty much the exact opposite.  I imagine news will go public in the next 30 days or so.  Hint: it's not a mixed-use, retail, residential, or hotel project.  And it's not the Pope & Land project.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Julian on February 27, 2012, 11:45:30 AM
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=535759 (http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=535759)

I saw this in the Daily record this morning. The Riverside Park development seems like it would be good for infill, though there's no mention of retail. I'm assuming this is the old Brooklyn Park space.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Jason on July 25, 2012, 09:13:52 AM
Quote
Mayor Brown signs off on Riverside Ave. project incentives

Jacksonville Business Journal by Ashley Gurbal Kritzer, Reporter
Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 5:39pm EDT

Mayor Alvin Brown on Tuesday signed off an incentive package for 220 Riverside, a mixed-use residential and retail development planned for Riverside Avenue.

The incentive package will provide close to $5 million in tax rebates over 20 years to the project’s developer, Hallmark Partners Inc. in Jacksonville. Hallmark has partnered with Bristol Development Group LLC of Nashville, Tenn., on the project.

Hallmark Principal Alex Coley said the project would break ground before the end of the year.

The $38 million development will include 294 apartments, ranging in size from 600 to 1,200 square feet, and 16,500 square feet of retail space.

The development includes an adjacent park, about the size of a football field. Coley plans to establish a nonprofit agency to direct the programming for the park, which will be paid for by the retail rents.

Read the reat at Jax Buisness Journal:
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2012/07/24/mayor-brown-signs-off-on-220-riverside.html
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Captain Zissou on July 25, 2012, 09:37:45 AM
Thank goodness.  This project will bring some much needed life and hopefully momentum to the Brooklyn area.  Last week I saw three developer type gentlemen walking around the Brooklyn Park site and eyeing the surroundings.  They kept pointing towards the river and what looked like the YMCA.  Not sure what they were doing, but any activity over there is good news.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ben says on July 25, 2012, 09:41:26 AM
Thank goodness.  This project will bring some much needed life and hopefully momentum to the Brooklyn area.  Last week I saw three developer type gentlemen walking around the Brooklyn Park site and eyeing the surroundings.  They kept pointing towards the river and what looked like the YMCA.  Not sure what they were doing, but any activity over there is good news.

Not to hijack the thread, but wtf is going on with the YMCA? Talk to five different people you'll get five different stories or theories on if they're selling, staying, tearing it down, leaving it, etc.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: duvaldude08 on July 25, 2012, 09:50:57 AM
Thank goodness.  This project will bring some much needed life and hopefully momentum to the Brooklyn area.  Last week I saw three developer type gentlemen walking around the Brooklyn Park site and eyeing the surroundings.  They kept pointing towards the river and what looked like the YMCA.  Not sure what they were doing, but any activity over there is good news.

Not to hijack the thread, but wtf is going on with the YMCA? Talk to five different people you'll get five different stories or theories on if they're selling, staying, tearing it down, leaving it, etc.

The only thing that has been said is that YMCA wants to build closer to the river and the Mayor wont let them. Thats about as much that has been said about the YMCA
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ben says on July 25, 2012, 09:54:58 AM
^ Why the hell would they want to be closer to the river? If I'm asking questions that have already been answered, can someone direct me to that thread?
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Bativac on July 25, 2012, 10:48:37 AM
Thank goodness.  This project will bring some much needed life and hopefully momentum to the Brooklyn area.  Last week I saw three developer type gentlemen walking around the Brooklyn Park site and eyeing the surroundings.  They kept pointing towards the river and what looked like the YMCA.  Not sure what they were doing, but any activity over there is good news.

Not to hijack the thread, but wtf is going on with the YMCA? Talk to five different people you'll get five different stories or theories on if they're selling, staying, tearing it down, leaving it, etc.

My wife works for the YMCA (not at that location) and says the word from the higher-ups is they plan to build a bigger more updated facility on the same site, closer to the river, and tear down the current one. Not sure what the timetable is other than "soon."
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: vicupstate on July 25, 2012, 12:12:10 PM
Thank goodness.  This project will bring some much needed life and hopefully momentum to the Brooklyn area.  Last week I saw three developer type gentlemen walking around the Brooklyn Park site and eyeing the surroundings.  They kept pointing towards the river and what looked like the YMCA.  Not sure what they were doing, but any activity over there is good news.

Not to hijack the thread, but wtf is going on with the YMCA? Talk to five different people you'll get five different stories or theories on if they're selling, staying, tearing it down, leaving it, etc.

My wife works for the YMCA (not at that location) and says the word from the higher-ups is they plan to build a bigger more updated facility on the same site, closer to the river, and tear down the current one. Not sure what the timetable is other than "soon."

If true, then that would be a big waste of that site.  They should sell the entire thing and built nearby but land-ward.  That site is perfect for a high-density mixed use project, which the Y could be a PART of, but not the sole user.  I hope the mayor or  someone can convince then to change there mind.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: duvaldude08 on July 25, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
Thank goodness.  This project will bring some much needed life and hopefully momentum to the Brooklyn area.  Last week I saw three developer type gentlemen walking around the Brooklyn Park site and eyeing the surroundings.  They kept pointing towards the river and what looked like the YMCA.  Not sure what they were doing, but any activity over there is good news.

Not to hijack the thread, but wtf is going on with the YMCA? Talk to five different people you'll get five different stories or theories on if they're selling, staying, tearing it down, leaving it, etc.

My wife works for the YMCA (not at that location) and says the word from the higher-ups is they plan to build a bigger more updated facility on the same site, closer to the river, and tear down the current one. Not sure what the timetable is other than "soon."

If true, then that would be a big waste of that site.  They should sell the entire thing and built nearby but land-ward.  That site is perfect for a high-density mixed use project, which the Y could be a PART of, but not the sole user.  I hope the mayor or  someone can convince then to change there mind.

The Mayor has already told them no about building closer to the river.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: CityLife on July 25, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
Agreed Vic. The Y should find a partner to do residential or office on the site and then occupy the top floor or two. Imagine the view of the St. Johns and Downtown from a 10 story+ Y. The residential or office use wouldn't even need to build a gym, pool, or spa either. They could just work out an agreement with the Y for its residents.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: ben says on July 25, 2012, 12:21:23 PM
Agreed Vic. The Y should find a partner to do residential or office on the site and then occupy the top floor or two. Imagine the view of the St. Johns and Downtown from a 10 story+ Y. The residential or office use wouldn't even need to build a gym, pool, or spa either. They could just work out an agreement with the Y for its residents.

Let's cross our fingers
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Captain Zissou on July 25, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Why do the YMCA and Schoolboard think they deserve to build on the river?  That is one of our most valuable and limited resources, so we should get the maximum use out of it that we can.  It would also greatly benefit their profitability to sell their riverfront property and move elsewhere.  The city should offer to help them in their relocation process in order to get some tax paying owners on these two parcels.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: WmNussbaum on July 25, 2012, 04:19:53 PM
Well, the YMCA is a private non-profit, and owns the land from the river to the street, and that might explain why it thinks it is entitled to build on the river. The School Board probably figured that if the jail, and the courthouse and City Hall could be on the river, it could be too. In hindsight that all seems so stupid, but when it was going on, I wonder if it was; after all, back then there were no high rise condos being built around here.

With the Shipyards [not a] Project and the old courthouse, and the S.side Generating Station land available for riverfront use, there is plenty this City could get done if only someone with money and a viable plan or two showed up. So the School Board might as well stay where it is for awhile.

What I would like to see off the riverfront is our beloved Times-Union, with all of its rusty trucks and newspaper racks uglying up the scene and covering the outflow of McCoys Creek. (Oops, on second thought, that might not be such a bad state of affairs considering the condition of that creek.) That T-U site sure ain't much to look at from the Riverwalk.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: JUGrad on July 25, 2012, 04:44:16 PM
Why do the YMCA and Schoolboard think they deserve to build on the river?  That is one of our most valuable and limited resources, so we should get the maximum use out of it that we can.  It would also greatly benefit their profitability to sell their riverfront property and move elsewhere.  The city should offer to help them in their relocation process in order to get some tax paying owners on these two parcels.

I agree, but it's not like there's anything happening on the riverfront property that is and has been already available... (Old JEA plant, Shipyards, etc....)
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: duvaldude08 on July 25, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
Why do the YMCA and Schoolboard think they deserve to build on the river?  That is one of our most valuable and limited resources, so we should get the maximum use out of it that we can.  It would also greatly benefit their profitability to sell their riverfront property and move elsewhere.  The city should offer to help them in their relocation process in order to get some tax paying owners on these two parcels.

I agree, but it's not like there's anything happening on the riverfront property that is and has been already available... (Old JEA plant, Shipyards, etc....)

But it also would be senseless to give up riverfront property for a bigger gym. It may be un-used, but riverfront property is considered prime real estate.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Yossarianlives on July 25, 2012, 04:56:49 PM
Why do the YMCA and Schoolboard think they deserve to build on the river?  That is one of our most valuable and limited resources, so we should get the maximum use out of it that we can.  It would also greatly benefit their profitability to sell their riverfront property and move elsewhere.  The city should offer to help them in their relocation process in order to get some tax paying owners on these two parcels.

I don't know about the YMCA, but the school board set up shop down on the river because it was cheap at the time.  The neighborhood was a dump and the property was affordable as a result.  I like your idea of giving them money to move so the land could be developed.  Maybe on the other side of the rive near the new courthouse to help develop over there.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: Tacachale on July 25, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
^Yes, the School Board built there at a time when that property was not particularly valuable. The riverfront in general was a much different place when they bought it. FWIW they've been trying to move and sell the property, but the market has made it more difficult. They dragged their feet a few years ago when they could have sold it for a nice bit of money.

Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: vicupstate on July 25, 2012, 05:08:17 PM
Quote
It may be un-used, but riverfront property is considered prime real estate.

All the more reason it should be put to it's highest use, which is not a 1-2 story single use building.  They are sitting on assets that they are not deploying.   They should liquidate it or partner with someone that will pay them for this prime location and include them in their plans.
Title: Re: 220 Riverside Coming To Brooklyn
Post by: mtraininjax on July 26, 2012, 09:12:27 AM
Anyone know any resources at WTLV-12/25? They believe this area is called Riverside. I have the Fox/CBS 30/47 people on speed dial, but someone needs to educate the masses at 12/25 on where Brooklyn is and Riverside begins/ends.