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Title: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on June 01, 2011, 06:03:11 AM
Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People

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What do these cities have that Jacksonville doesn't and is Jacksonville willing to invest in substaining these urban characteristics in order to create long-term job and economic growth?

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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-jun-top-10-us-cities-for-young-people
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: vicupstate on June 01, 2011, 06:58:21 AM
Yet another list of cities. 25 Best cities for College Graduates   

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-31/best-cities-for-college-graduates-from-austin-to-seattle/?cid=hp:mainpromo7
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: eharris79 on June 01, 2011, 08:59:47 AM
This isn't the first time I've seen Austin TX lead a list like this. What is it that Austin is doing that we are not? And why are we not adapting some of those ideas into our lifestyle?
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Bativac on June 01, 2011, 10:17:48 AM
This isn't the first time I've seen Austin TX lead a list like this. What is it that Austin is doing that we are not? And why are we not adapting some of those ideas into our lifestyle?

I have a friend who lives near Austin and spends a ton of time there. Austin embraces its unique culture and welcomes any and all creative types. It's not as big (or expensive) as someplace like New York or San Francisco. It's a very positive, live-and-let-live place with a ton of creative energy.

Some of this stuff, you can't manufacture. Jacksonville would do good to look to these other cities for inspiration, but the mindset of the majority of the people who live here make it difficult to develop a vibrant, energized downtown that is attractive to creative young people. It's hard to make them stay and "tough it out" when there are already places that have what they're looking for.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Clem1029 on June 01, 2011, 10:45:38 AM
This isn't the first time I've seen Austin TX lead a list like this. What is it that Austin is doing that we are not? And why are we not adapting some of those ideas into our lifestyle?
For starters, it's the seat of government, has a Top-5 university, and a burgeoning tech sector economy in no small part due to state and local economic policies that has companies practically tripping over each other to move to the state. Mix in the cultural mindset that Bativac mentions, and yeah, you're going to see Austin as a "surprise" entry on a lot of these lists.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: danem on June 01, 2011, 12:27:07 PM
For what it's worth, Jacksonville has a lower median age than most cities in Florida. Of course, Florida in general needs to fight the "full of old people" stigma that even still exists in my own mind.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: hillary supporter on June 01, 2011, 12:48:46 PM
I think its very good, real important that, from my experience, young kids move to our large metropolitan areas as NYC, San Fran, and many of the areas listed in the top ten. In these times in particular, it takes all of a young persons energy to have these experiences. I myself moved to NYC over 20yrs ago, in my mid 20s, i wouldnt trade it for anything. My experiences at CBGBs, my band opening for Fishbone, the beginning of urban art movement. Its an experience im very fotunate to have.
That being said... ive had enough of snow, potholes. I know im gonna get hit hard here but riding the subway with millions of peeps daily, watching as the fares go up, and the service goes down. People living in the subway cars (and when i say living, i mean relieving themselves) ive just had enough of it. Also, as both artists and individuals, let me pass one thing out there. Youre a little fish in a BIG pond. Here the community is much smaller and with todays technology, much flatter.
The best we can do is take action ourselves, individually, one step (day) at a time.
Artwalk is tonight, see you there!
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Duuuvalboy on June 01, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
Welcome to Duval.. Things will never change.. Just a bunch of racist extremists in this city.. City will always be far behind
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: danem on June 01, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
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Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: tufsu1 on June 01, 2011, 02:18:22 PM
Welcome to Duval.. Things will never change.. Just a bunch of racist extremists in this city.. City will always be far behind

which is why Alvin Brown won the mayoral race?
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: JeffreyS on June 01, 2011, 02:25:21 PM
Welcome to Duval.. Things will never change.. Just a bunch of racist extremists in this city.. City will always be far behind

which is why Alvin Brown won the mayoral race?

And we just passed a mobility plan.
And have an NFL team.
And now have an Art Walk.
And well I guess tufsu said it all with his quote.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: krazeeboi on June 01, 2011, 02:34:08 PM
Jacksonville is somewhat at a disadvantage here because it doesn't have a top-tier university or even an urban university. The city could better leverage the advantages that a university brings had UNF been located downtown. But in the absence of that, perhaps Jax can do what Charlotte is doing: luring some functions of UNC-Charlotte in the urban core as well as satellite campuses of other universities, and landing a small niche school (Johnson & Wales).
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: finehoe on June 01, 2011, 02:56:12 PM
which is why Alvin Brown won the mayoral race?

Some people seem to have a very simple, binary understanding of the concept of "racism." You're either a racist -- an epithet-shouting Klan member -- or you're not. This is why wingnuts often say that unless there is video evidence of Teabaggers explicitly saying "nigger," there is no "proof" that racial resentments have anything to do with right-wing white populism.

So Brown is a shield against that charge. How can we be racists when we supported a black man for mayor?
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 01, 2011, 03:51:37 PM
which is why Alvin Brown won the mayoral race?

Some people seem to have a very simple, binary understanding of the concept of "racism." You're either a racist -- an epithet-shouting Klan member -- or you're not. This is why wingnuts often say that unless there is video evidence of Teabaggers explicitly saying "nigger," there is no "proof" that racial resentments have anything to do with right-wing white populism.

So Brown is a shield against that charge. How can we be racists when we supported a black man for mayor?

Must be true for either side of the spectrum...
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: danem on June 01, 2011, 04:39:09 PM
Jacksonville is somewhat at a disadvantage here because it doesn't have a top-tier university or even an urban university. The city could better leverage the advantages that a university brings had UNF been located downtown. But in the absence of that, perhaps Jax can do what Charlotte is doing: luring some functions of UNC-Charlotte in the urban core as well as satellite campuses of other universities, and landing a small niche school (Johnson & Wales).

There seem to be tons of niche schools here, scattered about the whole city. There's even an Art Institute! 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Overstreet on June 01, 2011, 04:54:09 PM
For what it's worth, Jacksonville has a lower median age than most cities in Florida. Of course, Florida in general needs to fight the "full of old people" stigma that even still exists in my own mind.

When I first came to Florida I was in Sarasota. It seemed to me that everyone was over 65 but me. So I looked up the demographics on the census report and found it to be 13%. Where Tidewater VA, where I came from was only 7%. Still either way not FULL of old people it only seemed that way.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: finehoe on June 01, 2011, 05:25:17 PM
Must be true for either side of the spectrum...

Can someone with data mining software do an analysis on what the percentage of BridgeTroll's responses fall along the lines of "the other side does it too".  I'm sure it must be in the 80%+ range.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: north miami on June 01, 2011, 05:33:06 PM
Welcome to Duval.. Things will never change.. Just a bunch of racist extremists in this city.. City will always be far behind

which is why Alvin Brown won the mayoral race?

And we just passed a mobility plan.
And have an NFL team.
And now have an Art Walk.
And well I guess tufsu said it all with his quote.

Jazz Fest 2011 for young and young at heart a big contribution to "Stay in Jacksonville" Bucket List.Brought tears to my eyes,and my wife Lindsay.
"Judge" would be so proud!
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 01, 2011, 06:18:40 PM
Strangely enough, I looked up the census results and Jacksonville there are actually more young people in Jacksonville than older people. The problem is the young people never stay! If we can find a way to retain the younger population we will succeed.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 01, 2011, 06:20:22 PM
Jacksonville is somewhat at a disadvantage here because it doesn't have a top-tier university or even an urban university. The city could better leverage the advantages that a university brings had UNF been located downtown. But in the absence of that, perhaps Jax can do what Charlotte is doing: luring some functions of UNC-Charlotte in the urban core as well as satellite campuses of other universities, and landing a small niche school (Johnson & Wales).

Well UNF has partner with the MOCA now in regard to art classes, etc etc. So that is a start.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: jcjohnpaint on June 01, 2011, 08:43:39 PM
We now own the museum.  We curate shows and hold classes for the Fine Art Department.  I am usually down at the MOCA a few days a week.  The museum has a great new director and I will be running the UNF gallery next fall.  If anyone saw the Wolfbat performance at Hemming Plaza last semester- it was just amazing. 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: jcjohnpaint on June 01, 2011, 08:48:40 PM
Jacksonville is somewhat at a disadvantage here because it doesn't have a top-tier university or even an urban university. The city could better leverage the advantages that a university brings had UNF been located downtown. But in the absence of that, perhaps Jax can do what Charlotte is doing: luring some functions of UNC-Charlotte in the urban core as well as satellite campuses of other universities, and landing a small niche school (Johnson & Wales).

Yeah and the city should do what it can to get the AI downtown.  The school is located in the most obscure place and don't know who even knows it is in Jax.  AI and MOCA/ UNF would be a great presence in downtown together.  I do love the idea of a Johnson and Wales U like Charlotte, but we have screwed this one in the past with the Med School and Law School.  We need to bring these places back into town for sure. 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 01, 2011, 09:22:21 PM
We now own the museum.  We curate shows and hold classes for the Fine Art Department.  I am usually down at the MOCA a few days a week.  The museum has a great new director and I will be running the UNF gallery next fall.  If anyone saw the Wolfbat performance at Hemming Plaza last semester- it was just amazing. 

OHH ok thats even better news than what I thought.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: acme54321 on June 01, 2011, 09:59:41 PM
I was in Charlotte last weekend.  Wow, the downtown that place blows Jax away.  Schools, business, things going on, the list doesn't end with what they are doing right.  I was suprised it wasn't on this list. I did notice that few historic structures remain there though.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: simms3 on June 02, 2011, 06:52:45 AM
Charlotte is fun!  I was just in Milwaukee and that city is also light years ahead of Jax.  People there live as close in as possible and there is an impressive amount of new construction in the core areas, like a really impressive amount.

I'm sure we'll make strides soon though.  Art Institute downtown would do very little.  Jacksonville could benefit from having a non-profit college downtown, but these for-profits don't do much.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: jcjohnpaint on June 02, 2011, 07:07:48 AM
Although I do remember when living in Pittsburgh that the AI although not a splash did have a lot of students and filming out on the street near the campus.  I do not know how much bigger their AI was or whatever.  It did have a slight affect.  I do agree that it would not change the world, but would be better suited downtown than in an obscure business part.  Probably would be more exciting for the students too. 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: KenFSU on June 02, 2011, 08:57:51 AM
I was just in Milwaukee and that city is also light years ahead of Jax.

In my opinion, the most underrated city in the nation.

Love Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Tacachale on June 02, 2011, 10:01:58 AM

I'm sure we'll make strides soon though.  Art Institute downtown would do very little.  Jacksonville could benefit from having a non-profit college downtown, but these for-profits don't do much.

It depends on the for-profit school, but you're right, the vast majority of them don't have enough traditional students (or any real need or desire for a central location) to make an impact on a neighborhood, especially a downtown. And most of them are the kind of thing you'd want to keep OUT of downtown (not saying the AI is like this). But there would likely be a benefit to having Florida Coastal School of Law downtown - it has hundreds of students, and as a law school it has a vested interest in being where the local infrastructure in their field is centered.

UNF is making great headway with MOCA Jax; it would be nice to see us develop an even stronger presence downtown in the future. In terms of things we don't have currently, a medical school would also be great. The biggest boon would be if we could bring a real liberal arts or business college in or adjacent to downtown. There was a time a few decades ago it was feasible to start up something like that (Flagler, Eckerd, etc), but unfortunately it probably won't happen here anytime soon.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Jdog on June 02, 2011, 10:22:35 AM
Also, I see these cities represented pretty well in discussions of "most active / most fit" and "environmentally friendly" US places.  Living for 25 years in New York and Connecticut, I'll say this: I've listened to thousands of more criticisms of Florida being one strip mall than I have of it being too much for the elderly.  Cut this crap out of Jacksonville being where Florida begins.    

IMHO, I think Jax also would do well to better publicize its large urban park system and find ways to create lengthier green stretches for biking, walking, caneoing, etc by linking parks (i.e., the idea of cleaning up Hogan's and McCoy's) and providing urban green pathways (okay, the last one might be out of reach financially right now).  
 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Tacachale on June 02, 2011, 11:02:11 AM
Jacksonville is somewhat at a disadvantage here because it doesn't have a top-tier university or even an urban university. The city could better leverage the advantages that a university brings had UNF been located downtown. But in the absence of that, perhaps Jax can do what Charlotte is doing: luring some functions of UNC-Charlotte in the urban core as well as satellite campuses of other universities, and landing a small niche school (Johnson & Wales).

Yeah and the city should do what it can to get the AI downtown.  The school is located in the most obscure place and don't know who even knows it is in Jax.  AI and MOCA/ UNF would be a great presence in downtown together.  I do love the idea of a Johnson and Wales U like Charlotte, but we have screwed this one in the past with the Med School and Law School.  We need to bring these places back into town for sure. 


The problem with the branch campuses is that the good ones are less likely to start new campuses (Johnson and Wales in particular), and most of the other "chain schools" are of a much lower caliber. It would be nice to have the AI downtown, but i don't know what kind of impact it would have. I think it would be better to focus on developing UNF's presence and trying to attract new institutions, especially ones that focus on fields that aren't represented (or well represented) here.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 02, 2011, 11:11:21 AM
I was in Charlotte last weekend.  Wow, the downtown that place blows Jax away.  Schools, business, things going on, the list doesn't end with what they are doing right.  I was suprised it wasn't on this list. I did notice that few historic structures remain there though.

Charlotte's DT used to be just like Jax. Except they woke up 20 years ago and we are still sleep.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: L.P. Hovercraft on June 02, 2011, 01:15:18 PM
This isn't the first time I've seen Austin TX lead a list like this. What is it that Austin is doing that we are not? And why are we not adapting some of those ideas into our lifestyle?

Isn't Austin's unofficial motto "Keep Austin Weird"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Austin_Weird

Although things are seemingly getting better day by day, I think that Jax is still just too damn small minded and conservative (yet) to fully embrace Austin's "loving the alien" attitude.  To wit: the whole kerfluffle over the Parvez Ahmed nomination to the COJ Human Rights Commission; our fawning over the shiny new St. John's Town Center as suburban consumer utopia and replacement for the authentic downtown and urban core; the pipe bomb at the local mosque; former mayoral front-runner(!) Mike Hogan's campaign quip about bombing abortion clinics; and the bombing (figuratively speaking) of the cult movies convention held here recently.  Unfortunately or not, perceptions matter; if you were a young, optimistic and creative person just starting out on a career or a business looking to relocate between Jax or some other city that was a bit more cosmopolitan and accepting of diversity, which would you choose?  Low taxes only get you so far.

All that being said, I do love our city and truly think Jacksonville's best days are still ahead of us.  After all, we did just elect Alvin Brown mayor over the aforementioned quipster Mr. Hogan and just this past weekend downtown was absolutely alive with people for the Jazz festival, so hope springs eternal! 

Let's make Jacksonville weird!
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: danem on June 02, 2011, 01:18:51 PM
I was in Charlotte last weekend.  Wow, the downtown that place blows Jax away.  Schools, business, things going on, the list doesn't end with what they are doing right.  I was suprised it wasn't on this list. I did notice that few historic structures remain there though.

Charlotte's DT used to be just like Jax. Except they woke up 20 years ago and we are still sleep.

What I'd like to see is Jax doing everything it can do right now, and do it "yesterday". It sounds like so much can be done now that doesn't require decades of construction. Although, the decades of construction should start yesterday too.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: danem on June 02, 2011, 01:24:28 PM
Also, I see these cities represented pretty well in discussions of "most active / most fit" and "environmentally friendly" US places.  Living for 25 years in New York and Connecticut, I'll say this: I've listened to thousands of more criticisms of Florida being one strip mall than I have of it being too much for the elderly.  Cut this crap out of Jacksonville being where Florida begins.    

IMHO, I think Jax also would do well to better publicize its large urban park system and find ways to create lengthier green stretches for biking, walking, caneoing, etc by linking parks (i.e., the idea of cleaning up Hogan's and McCoy's) and providing urban green pathways (okay, the last one might be out of reach financially right now).  
 

I agree. We should take advantage of Florida as Florida: nature and warm weather. Enhance and improve and most importantly preserve those parks. Speaking of financial feasibility, I wonder what kind of public/private partnerships could make this happen?
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Jdog on June 02, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
One other: the Metjax article cites the importance of a music scene (and see the cities' listed; i.e., Austin, etc.).    Can Jax's Southern Rock history / music scene be better displayed?  And, relevant to this thread, are the genres appealing to the target population discussed in the thread?  Not very knowledgable myself in this area.   


Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: jcjohnpaint on June 02, 2011, 05:03:53 PM
This isn't the first time I've seen Austin TX lead a list like this. What is it that Austin is doing that we are not? And why are we not adapting some of those ideas into our lifestyle?

Isn't Austin's unofficial motto "Keep Austin Weird"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Austin_Weird

Although things are seemingly getting better day by day, I think that Jax is still just too damn small minded and conservative (yet) to fully embrace Austin's "loving the alien" attitude.  To wit: the whole kerfluffle over the Parvez Ahmed nomination to the COJ Human Rights Commission; our fawning over the shiny new St. John's Town Center as suburban consumer utopia and replacement for the authentic downtown and urban core; the pipe bomb at the local mosque; former mayoral front-runner(!) Mike Hogan's campaign quip about bombing abortion clinics; and the bombing (figuratively speaking) of the cult movies convention held here recently.  Unfortunately or not, perceptions matter; if you were a young, optimistic and creative person just starting out on a career or a business looking to relocate between Jax or some other city that was a bit more cosmopolitan and accepting of diversity, which would you choose?  Low taxes only get you so far.

All that being said, I do love our city and truly think Jacksonville's best days are still ahead of us.  After all, we did just elect Alvin Brown mayor over the aforementioned quipster Mr. Hogan and just this past weekend downtown was absolutely alive with people for the Jazz festival, so hope springs eternal! 

Let's make Jacksonville weird!

You know I lived in enough places to realize that the kind of thinking you mention is everywhere.  Any place can become more creative and any creative place can become a conservative hole.  I have only lived here for a year and so much has happened toward Jacksonville's positive. 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: ChriswUfGator on June 02, 2011, 09:46:02 PM
I agree that from a prestige standpoint University of Phoenix etc. may not be the cat's meow, but really, looking at the wasteland downtown is, beggars can't be choosers. And as Kraze already noted, we already screwed the pooch and ran off a med school and a law school who were both considering locating downtown. Both of those institutions then went on to invest tens of millions of dollars fitting out single-purpose buildings located elsewhere, so I really don't think there is a second chance. Those were both 1-shot deals for downtown, that goose is cooked, we screwed it up.

What I'm saying is, at this point, if a University of Phoenix or Devry or whatever wanted to open up down there, then we should welcome them with open arms. It's not like we have a lot of other suitors. Especially after the way the last two were treated, and it's not like educators don't talk to each other. Whatever comes knocking, we need to accept it for what it is rather than holding out for something better, that usually never happens. Look at Springfield, they're staring down a blighted and almost totally-vacant commercial district, while SPAR still waits on their Starbucks and Panera Bread that never showed up after they ran off all the "lesser" merchants they didn't like.

At this point, something is better than nothing.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 02, 2011, 10:42:45 PM
I agree that from a prestige standpoint University of Phoenix etc. may not be the cat's meow, but really, looking at the wasteland downtown is, beggars can't be choosers. And as Kraze already noted, we already screwed the pooch and ran off a med school and a law school who were both considering locating downtown. Both of those institutions then went on to invest tens of millions of dollars fitting out single-purpose buildings located elsewhere, so I really don't think there is a second chance. Those were both 1-shot deals for downtown, that goose is cooked, we screwed it up.

What I'm saying is, at this point, if a University of Phoenix or Devry or whatever wanted to open up down there, then we should welcome them with open arms. It's not like we have a lot of other suitors. Especially after the way the last two were treated, and it's not like educators don't talk to each other. Whatever comes knocking, we need to accept it for what it is rather than holding out for something better, that usually never happens. Look at Springfield, they're staring down a blighted and almost totally-vacant commercial district, while SPAR still waits on their Starbucks and Panera Bread that never showed up after they ran off all the "lesser" merchants they didn't like.

At this point, something is better than nothing.

I agree. Something is DEFINATELY better than nothing. Have to start somewhere.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 02, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
Is it just me, or has anyone else wondered why Winn Dixie's Headquarter's is WAYYYY out Casset? It would have been cool to have them DT.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: jcjohnpaint on June 03, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
You know I was wondering where they were located. 
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Garden guy on June 03, 2011, 07:52:42 AM
At time is was cheap land and they had the money for it.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Tacachale on June 03, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
I agree that from a prestige standpoint University of Phoenix etc. may not be the cat's meow, but really, looking at the wasteland downtown is, beggars can't be choosers. And as Kraze already noted, we already screwed the pooch and ran off a med school and a law school who were both considering locating downtown. Both of those institutions then went on to invest tens of millions of dollars fitting out single-purpose buildings located elsewhere, so I really don't think there is a second chance. Those were both 1-shot deals for downtown, that goose is cooked, we screwed it up.

What I'm saying is, at this point, if a University of Phoenix or Devry or whatever wanted to open up down there, then we should welcome them with open arms. It's not like we have a lot of other suitors. Especially after the way the last two were treated, and it's not like educators don't talk to each other. Whatever comes knocking, we need to accept it for what it is rather than holding out for something better, that usually never happens. Look at Springfield, they're staring down a blighted and almost totally-vacant commercial district, while SPAR still waits on their Starbucks and Panera Bread that never showed up after they ran off all the "lesser" merchants they didn't like.

At this point, something is better than nothing.

I agree. Something is DEFINATELY better than nothing. Have to start somewhere.

I'm certainly not saying that if University of Phoenix or similar came in wanting to establish a downtown campus that we should say no. We just need to understand the kind of institution it is. You wouldn't be getting a traditional college campus with a lot of students tied to the area and permanent dedicated buildings, and you shouldn't court them expecting them to be. "Campuses" of Keiser University and the like tend to be rented office space, not dedicated permanent buildings. Additionally, at this point, many of them are basically hubs for administration and instructors that are visited only occasionally by students taking (and paying way too much for) online classes from home. The campuses also have a much, much higher turnover rate than traditional non-profit schools, moving around or closing completely much more regularly. Having a downtown campus one year doesn't mean it will be there in 10.

Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: thelakelander on June 03, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
Why not focus on EWC, FSCJ and JU?  Maybe its past time to get more utilization out of FSCJ's downtown campus?
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: duvaldude08 on June 03, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Why not focus on EWC, FSCJ and JU?  Maybe its past time to get more utilization out of FSCJ's downtown campus?

That is a good idea. Work with what we have locally. That's probably much simpler. And with Nat glover being the president of EWC now, I am sure he would be down with possiably expanding DT. And being that EWC is kind of DT anyways, I dont think that would be hard.  I mean Honestly I think the original campus was DT before it got destory by the great fire of 1901. JU is a great idea also.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: Tacachale on June 03, 2011, 03:33:01 PM
Why not focus on EWC, FSCJ and JU?  Maybe its past time to get more utilization out of FSCJ's downtown campus?

That is a good idea. Work with what we have locally. That's probably much simpler. And with Nat glover being the president of EWC now, I am sure he would be down with possiably expanding DT. And being that EWC is kind of DT anyways, I dont think that would be hard.  I mean Honestly I think the original campus was DT before it got destory by the great fire of 1901. JU is a great idea also.

That is a good idea, we should encourage JU to establish a stronger presence downtown, and look into beefing up FSCJ Downtown. I wouldn't hold out too much hope for EWC right now; they are too small and funding strapped to worry about things like this.
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: finehoe on June 04, 2011, 11:48:32 AM
Here's an interesting piece on how Omaha transformed its downtown into one of the Midwest’s most vibrant cultural hubs:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/05/ff_jobsblockbyblock/
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: tayana42 on June 06, 2011, 11:56:10 AM
The key to solving this problem is the core city (Avondale, Riverside, Brooklyn, Downtown, Springfield, and San Marco); that's where the creative energy is happening in this city.  Examples:  the new art warehouse "Cork", the "GoLo" project, the coolest bars and restaurants, etc. 

If we can energize the downtown, we can move up on that list!
Title: Re: Top 10 U.S. Cities for Young People
Post by: acme54321 on June 07, 2011, 08:15:38 AM
Connecting DT to those neighborhoods couldn't hurt.