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Title: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on April 12, 2011, 03:08:50 AM
Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters

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"This is no longer anecdotal. Every metro area has good suburbs, but if you don't have a strong downtown and close-in neighborhoods, then you're not offering a choice that many of them are seeking. Offering that choice is a real competitive advantage for cities." - Carol Coletta, head of CEOs for Cities.

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-apr-census-2010-why-the-urban-core-matters
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: rainfrog on April 12, 2011, 04:46:32 AM
The decimal places in the second chart have me envisioning some pretty fanciful characters or pieces thereof living in our city centers! :P
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: vicupstate on April 12, 2011, 07:17:20 AM
Great article. Really drives the point home with the bar graph.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: mtraininjax on April 12, 2011, 07:40:01 AM
What does job creation, directly have to do with downtown Jacksonville? The kind of job creation to lower the 11% unemployment rate?
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Overstreet on April 12, 2011, 08:11:21 AM
Central Business district...............in Jacksonville would that be downtown or off of J.Turner Butler and Southside Blvd?

I'm not sure of the point "driven home". The top dozen have always had a group of urban young adults. Atlanta has a group moving in because housing initial cost is so much lower. Commute time varies depending upon where you work. For example if you moved close to work in Edgewood (developing neighborhood)  then get transfered to Alpharette commute time just got longer. 

I suppose if you are % change driven our urban growth 41% change would be impressive. I'm sure the highrise condo developers would like to see the move. I don't think we've really seen a wave of movement yet. 
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: simms3 on April 12, 2011, 08:53:32 AM
Central Business district...............in Jacksonville would that be downtown or off of J.Turner Butler and Southside Blvd?

I'm not sure of the point "driven home". The top dozen have always had a group of urban young adults. Atlanta has a group moving in because housing initial cost is so much lower. Commute time varies depending upon where you work. For example if you moved close to work in Edgewood (developing neighborhood)  then get transfered to Alpharette commute time just got longer. 

I suppose if you are % change driven our urban growth 41% change would be impressive. I'm sure the highrise condo developers would like to see the move. I don't think we've really seen a wave of movement yet. 

Actually, Jacksonville is really cheap.  Atlanta is cheap for a large city, especially relative to Boston, DC, San Fran, or New York, but the City of Atlanta, where all of the young people move to, is very similar in pricing to Chicago and Philadelphia (also cheap cities for their size and relative to the aforementioned cities).  A studio in a new building in Midtown or Buckhead can start at between $1500-2000, a studio.  The most expensive 3 bedroom in the Strand on the 24th floor is a hair over $1900/mo with a measly $300 security deposit.  There's a one bedroom in the high rise across from my office building in Atlanta renting out for $2900/mo, and it's not a luxury empty nester building with $10M condos, it's a young person's building (and in a submarket, too!)

Price is not why young people move to a city, or they wouldn't be flocking to DC (like my cousin just did and one of my best friends), New York, Boston, or any other large city.  My property taxes in Atlanta are almost 45 mil (I believe it's 17 mil in Jacksonville) and let's not even talk about property taxes in other cities.  And if you wanted to purchase a home in Atlanta, Ortega and Ponte Vedra pricing would be pretty cheap relative to about 8 intown neighborhoods I can think of.

Young people want to move somewhere for three reasons:

1) To be near other young people so that eventually they can marry/find a partner more easily and have fun with their age group in the meantime (impossible in Jacksonville where there are no young, hip neighborhoods and everything is so spread out and the young people that are there are hitched and bearing children at 22 years of age)
2) To make a lot of money (impossible in Jacksonville)
3) To have an exciting life living in the city, being involved, and being able to do stuff you won't have the energy, time, or compliance to do later in life (impossible in Jacksonville where the lifestyle of a 34 year old mimics the lifestyle of a 54 year old...Ha)

If a city offers these things, there's probably a price attached, and young people obviously are willing to pay that price to have these three things.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: JeffreyS on April 12, 2011, 09:18:33 AM
Perhaps we should put it this way all of the fortune 1000 companies head quartered in Jax are in the core.  Well I guess Winn Dixie would be just outside the core at Edgewood and Casset. If you want to attract those kinds of business to head quarter and invest in your city the core is the area that needs to impress.  No judgment that is just the way it is.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: thelakelander on April 12, 2011, 09:28:13 AM
What does job creation, directly have to do with downtown Jacksonville? The kind of job creation to lower the 11% unemployment rate?

Unfortunately, you can't look at the subject of "job creation" in a vacuum.   In reality, there's good and bad job creation.  So ultimately, we'll have to determine what type of jobs/salaries and skilled force we'd like to have and shape our community to include the atmosphere they seek.  According to the chamber, here is a list of industries where local job creation is desired:

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Our Chamber of Commerce has identified numerous industries as being well-positioned for growth in Jacksonville, and, as mayor, I would work to champion job creation with emphasis in these areas: life sciences/medical; finance and insurance services; logistics and distribution; aviation and aerospace; advanced manufacturing; information technology; and headquarters location/relocation.

Most of these industries seek a skilled workforce that is attracted to a more urbanized lifestyle.  If Jax wants to really advance in any of these sectors outside of logistics and aviation, more attention will have to be paid to enhancing not only downtown, but the surrounding neighborhoods like Riverside, Springfield, Brooklyn, Eastside, San Marco, Durkeeville, etc. as well.

We should also look to get away from subsidizing bad unsustainable job creation.  One thing the urban core has in favor from the rest of the city is an already constructed infrastructure network that was developed for double the amount of population that exists there today.  Quite frankly, you could dump Baymeadows, Southpoint and SJTC in the city and spend minimal money on supporting infrastructure (ex. new roads, sidewalks, parks, schools, public safety, libraries, etc.).  You can't do that anywhere else in this city.  Considering we're already $62 million in the hole, it only makes sense to better utilize infrastructure that already exists.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 09:31:46 AM
Perhaps we should put it this way all of the fortune 1000 companies head quartered in Jax are in the core.  Well I guess Winn Dixie would be just outside the core at Edgewood and Casset. If you want to attract those kinds of business to head quarter and invest in your city the core is the area that needs to impress.  No judgment that is just the way it is.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  What about BCBS who has over 4,000 employees on the southside, DB has 1,200+, Merrill has 2,000+, BoA has 1,000+, Vistakon has nearly 1,000....?  While these aren't headquarters, they're a TON of people.  
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: thelakelander on April 12, 2011, 09:37:52 AM
I suppose if you are % change driven our urban growth 41% change would be impressive. I'm sure the highrise condo developers would like to see the move. I don't think we've really seen a wave of movement yet.

I agree, that we have not really seen the wave like we should have.  Areas like LaVilla and Brooklyn should have enjoyed major redevelopment booms during the last decade.  Talleyrand should be a lot more than a few old houses scattered in an industrial wasteland adjacent to the port.  Warehouse districts along Myrtle Avenue and in Springfield should be resembling budding loft districts like the Portland's Pearl, Denver's LODO, Atlanta's Castleberry Hill, Miami's Design District, Tampa's Channel District and Milwaukee's Third Ward.  Because we've not deemed the core to be any type of high priority, we're on the path to falling further behind our peers economically and our budget continues to spiral out of control through the subsidization of unsustainable growth patterns.

Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: thelakelander on April 12, 2011, 09:41:59 AM
Perhaps we should put it this way all of the fortune 1000 companies head quartered in Jax are in the core.  Well I guess Winn Dixie would be just outside the core at Edgewood and Casset. If you want to attract those kinds of business to head quarter and invest in your city the core is the area that needs to impress.  No judgment that is just the way it is.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  What about BCBS who has over 4,000 employees on the southside, DB has 1,200+, Merrill has 2,000+, BoA has 1,000+, Vistakon has nearly 1,000....?  While these aren't headquarters, they're a TON of people. 

Sounds like Tampa's Westshore, Orlando's Maitland, Detroit's Southfield and Atlanta's Buckhead.  Every city has a suburban office district.  The major difference between every other place in Jacksonville is they've also had the foresight to provide viable urban atmospheres as counterbalance.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: JeffreyS on April 12, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
Perhaps we should put it this way all of the fortune 1000 companies head quartered in Jax are in the core.  Well I guess Winn Dixie would be just outside the core at Edgewood and Casset. If you want to attract those kinds of business to head quarter and invest in your city the core is the area that needs to impress.  No judgment that is just the way it is.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  What about BCBS who has over 4,000 employees on the southside, DB has 1,200+, Merrill has 2,000+, BoA has 1,000+, Vistakon has nearly 1,000....?  While these aren't headquarters, they're a TON of people.  
Companies tend to be more involved with the communities where they are headquartered look at how active BoA is in Charlotte compared to here.  There is a difference between the type of benefit you get from a company that wants a quality urban setting and one just looking for the cheapest sq ft cost in an office park.

I am not however on the let's somehow punish or hold back the southside chorus.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: JeffreyS on April 12, 2011, 09:47:31 AM
I think we need to be already looking at ways to preserve what we have gained on the southside so as to not repeat the sprawl boom and crash seen in past areas like regency and gateway.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
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There is a difference between the type of benefit you get from a company that wants a quality urban setting and one just looking for the cheapest sq ft cost in an office park.

So what would you say about a company that used to be downtown and then left for the Southside (Modis, for starters)?
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Doctor_K on April 12, 2011, 09:59:09 AM
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There is a difference between the type of benefit you get from a company that wants a quality urban setting and one just looking for the cheapest sq ft cost in an office park.

So what would you say about a company that used to be downtown and then left for the Southside (Modis, for starters)?

Shame on the city for not offering incentives to keep them downtown - monetary, civic, or otherwise.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: thelakelander on April 12, 2011, 10:10:14 AM
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There is a difference between the type of benefit you get from a company that wants a quality urban setting and one just looking for the cheapest sq ft cost in an office park.

So what would you say about a company that used to be downtown and then left for the Southside (Modis, for starters)?

That's what happens when you don't make improving your core a high priority.  Right now, there is simply no reason for most private companies to pay more to be located in an environment that does not offer the quality of life that should be expected for the associated costs.  Ultimately, if this doesn't change, many of these companies won't be leaving downtown to head to the Southside.  They'll be leaving Jacksonville altogether.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: fsujax on April 12, 2011, 10:16:30 AM
QOL in Southside is pitiful. The traffic alone out near the SJTC at lunchtime is a disaster it ruins the QOL out there, in my opinion. What's funny is so many of these employers leaving DT thinks it's so great out there, even if their employees can't leave, go to lunch and get back to work within an hour or less.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: KenFSU on April 12, 2011, 10:48:08 AM
What's funny is so many of these employers leaving DT thinks it's so great out there, even if their employees can't leave, go to lunch and get back to work within an hour or less.

I would disagree with this statement. I work on the Southside, and we never have a problem fitting lunch into an hour. There are so many choices that you rarely have to wait too long for food or a table. Mellow Mushroom. Moe's. McAllisters. Subway. Jason's Deli. Tommy's Pizza. Copelands. Fridays. Seven Bridges. Hooters. Wing House. The Hibachi Grill. Chick Fila. Crispers. Qdoba. Panda Express. Five Guys. Rennas. Librettos. Chipotle. Wasabi. Mimis. Yo Sushi. Crazy Sushi. Cracker Barrell. Panera. PF Changs. Applebees. Bahama Breeze. California Pizza Kitchen. Firehouse. Jimmy Johns. The list just keeps going on and on. I never have any problems getting in and back to the office within an hour. If we're just talking numerous, diverse lunch options, the south side easily has downtown beat. Not that this particularly means anything, just saying :)
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: fsujax on April 12, 2011, 10:54:56 AM
Choices are great, but the traffic from JTB to Gate Pkwy to SJTC Blvd is pretty bad! I have experienced it too many times.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Lunican on April 12, 2011, 11:01:30 AM
All of those restaurants and yet without a car you would starve.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: JeffreyS on April 12, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
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There is a difference between the type of benefit you get from a company that wants a quality urban setting and one just looking for the cheapest sq ft cost in an office park.

So what would you say about a company that used to be downtown and then left for the Southside (Modis, for starters)?
Good example of a company that was local and invested in the community that was purchased by a corporation hq ed out of town and changing it's priorities.


Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
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Mellow Mushroom. Moe's. McAllisters. Subway. Jason's Deli. Tommy's Pizza. Copelands. Fridays. Seven Bridges. Hooters. Wing House. The Hibachi Grill. Chick Fila. Crispers. Qdoba. Panda Express. Five Guys. Rennas. Librettos. Chipotle. Wasabi. Mimis. Yo Sushi. Crazy Sushi. Cracker Barrell. Panera. PF Changs. Applebees. Bahama Breeze. California Pizza Kitchen. Firehouse. Jimmy Johns.

I also work on the southside.  All of the restaurants that I highlighted in bold you have zero chance of doing in an hour.  PF CHANGS??? Surely, you jest. 

I haven't eaten at an Applebees or Fridays in about a decade, but I doubt they could get you in and out in an hour either.  The only places I regularly eat in Southside that you mentioned are Chick Fil A, Panda Express, Chipotle, Larry's, Publix Deli, Qdoba, and Subway.  When I'm able to splurge and go for a 90 minute meal I go to Crazy Sushi or Tommy's.  I mostly stick to Mr. Taco, Ninja Express, Hunt Club, Los Portales, and Markham's Deli over closer to my office.

PS- Wing House closed.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: KenFSU on April 12, 2011, 12:20:32 PM
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Mellow Mushroom. Moe's. McAllisters. Subway. Jason's Deli. Tommy's Pizza. Copelands. Fridays. Seven Bridges. Hooters. Wing House. The Hibachi Grill. Chick Fila. Crispers. Qdoba. Panda Express. Five Guys. Rennas. Librettos. Chipotle. Wasabi. Mimis. Yo Sushi. Crazy Sushi. Cracker Barrell. Panera. PF Changs. Applebees. Bahama Breeze. California Pizza Kitchen. Firehouse. Jimmy Johns.

I also work on the southside.  All of the restaurants that I highlighted in bold you have zero chance of doing in an hour.  PF CHANGS??? Surely, you jest. 

I haven't eaten at an Applebees or Fridays in about a decade, but I doubt they could get you in and out in an hour either.  The only places I regularly eat in Southside that you mentioned are Chick Fil A, Panda Express, Chipotle, Larry's, Publix Deli, Qdoba, and Subway.  When I'm able to splurge and go for a 90 minute meal I go to Crazy Sushi or Tommy's.  I mostly stick to Mr. Taco, Ninja Express, Hunt Club, Los Portales, and Markham's Deli over closer to my office.

PS- Wing House closed.

I can only tell you that I routinely do Mellow Mushroom, Tommy's, Copelands, Seven Bridges, the Hibachi Grill (if I'm thinking of the right place - the Japanese Buffet accross from the old Gallery Bistro/Chop House), Yo Sushi, Crazi Sushi, and Cracker Barrell in an hour. It's tight, but as long as you know what you want when you sit down, I never have any problems. PF Changs and California Pizza Kitchen are a whole lot tougher -- you're right -- but if you're ok going either at 11:00 or 1:15 instead of during the lunch rush (especially the Friday lunch rush), I've also pulled it off.

I also get the two confused, but I think I was actually thinking about Wing Zone, rather than Wing House.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 12:45:27 PM
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Japanese Buffet across from the old Gallery Bistro/Chop House)

Gotcha.  I was thinking of a different place.  This would work.

It is nice having all of those options, but from where I work (Belfort and Gate Pkwy), it is a 5 to 10 minute drive to get to those places.  If you were to use that yardstick to measure the amount of restaurants within that radius of the core, you'd hit every option in Riverside, San Marco, and Springfield.  Lakewood would be just a bit farther.   With those three neighborhoods and the CBD, that might eclipse our options on the Southside.

However, the hassles of parking, one way streets, and poorly cycled lights drastically increase the drive time within the CBD.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: tufsu1 on April 12, 2011, 12:54:28 PM
yep..we usually can do Mellow Mushroom and 7 Bridges in 45 minutes or so,...the problem is our office is by the Avenues so we spend another 20-30 minutes getting there and back
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: PeeJayEss on April 12, 2011, 01:42:58 PM
Young people want to move somewhere for three reasons:

1) To be near other young people so that eventually they can marry/find a partner more easily and have fun with their age group in the meantime (impossible in Jacksonville where there are no young, hip neighborhoods and everything is so spread out and the young people that are there are hitched and bearing children at 22 years of age)
2) To make a lot of money (impossible in Jacksonville)
3) To have an exciting life living in the city, being involved, and being able to do stuff you won't have the energy, time, or compliance to do later in life (impossible in Jacksonville where the lifestyle of a 34 year old mimics the lifestyle of a 54 year old...Ha)

See bold: speak for yourself!
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 01:49:26 PM
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See bold: speak for yourself!

Agreed.

Simms, holler at me next time you're in Jax.  I think you MIGHT even have a little fun if you're able to keep up with how I spend my weekends.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: thelakelander on April 12, 2011, 01:54:36 PM
yep..we usually can do Mellow Mushroom and 7 Bridges in 45 minutes or so,...the problem is our office is by the Avenues so we spend another 20-30 minutes getting there and back

So considering drive/walk time is also included in the typical lunch break, you can't eat at several of these places within a hour if your office isn't literally across the street or around the corner.  I'd agree with this.  Whenever I had lunch in the area, I always assumed it would take longer than an hour but I had and still have wiggle room when I'm in and out of the office.  Unfortunately, a lot of people don't.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: fieldafm on April 12, 2011, 02:09:54 PM
I would really love to know how you guys get in and out of Mellow in 45 minutes at lunch time.  That is always an hour and a half lunch for me, hence I rarely get to go anymore.  Seriously, if I can get there and back to the office within an hour... meet me up there and I'll buy the pizza!

Wild Wings chicken wing buffet is great if you want to get your fill at lunch.

Mr Taco is the bomb!  

You will usually see me at Larrys or Librettos.

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See bold: speak for yourself!

Agreed.

Simms, holler at me next time you're in Jax.  I think you MIGHT even have a little fun if you're able to keep up with how I spend my weekends.

I know, right?

I think we need to just take out mr simms and show him all the sides of this city that his mom wouldnt let him go to!



You get in what you put in.  There is rarely a night when I am sitting at home all night.  And when I do it's only b/c of laundry/cleaning/lawn duties.

If you can't find things to do in this city, you are REFUSING to look.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: KenFSU on April 12, 2011, 02:21:10 PM
I would really love to know how you guys get in and out of Mellow in 45 minutes at lunch time.

Yeah Lake, I'm literally right across the street, so that should definitely be factored in. Maybe 10 minutes total travel time for an hour long lunch break. An extra five to ten minutes of travel time would make most places a whole lot tighter lunch wise.


As far as how to do Mellow Mushroom in 45 minutes, it's all a matter of getting down to business. We always avoid getting there in that 12:00 to 12:30 window. We order both drinks and food as soon as we sit down, and we ask for a check when they bring out the food. By the time we're done eating, all we have to do is sign the receipt and walk out the door. It's a little frantic, but it gets the job done :)
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 02:21:50 PM
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If you can't find things to do in this city, you are REFUSING to look

AGREED

However, if you can't find ANYTHING to do, or ANYONE to hang out with.  Grab a bottle of wine and a loaf of bread and go sit in one of our many waterfront parks or on our miles of beaches.  Or, if you're like me, grab a six pack and a bag of chips and go have a sit on the dock at Stinsen Park.

There is so much to do and so much going on, both in the natural world and man made, in our fair city.

My main problem is that I usually find out on Monday that an amazing event happened that I wasn't aware of.  A comprehensive calendar of all things wonderful for Jax would be amazing.  Especially if there were multiple calendars for social events, service events, civic events, and cultural events. Stephen..... you listening?
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: PeeJayEss on April 12, 2011, 02:31:01 PM
Wild Wings chicken wing buffet is great if you want to get your fill at lunch.

Wait, is there actually a place that has a wing buffet? Like all you can eat wings? That might be worth coming out of meat-eating retirement...

Grab a bottle of wine and a loaf of bread and go sit in one of our many waterfront parks or on our miles of beaches.

How very Venetian! Add some cheese to complete the package.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 02:35:43 PM
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Wonder if your interested in meeting and brainstorming about it?

^ Definitely.  

I can't make it to the public meeting tonight, and Thurs-Sunday I'll be in DC.  I'll call you Sunday and we'll set something up.  My week next week looks wide open.  This is an idea I've had for a while and I think it would add a lot to the brand of metrojacksonville.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: I-10east on April 12, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  What about BCBS who has over 4,000 employees on the southside, DB has 1,200+, Merrill has 2,000+, BoA has 1,000+, Vistakon has nearly 1,000....?  While these aren't headquarters, they're a TON of people.  

+100. I never understood the whole 'underplay thing' if A: If a freakin Fortune 500 is not located in the DT core like W/D (it's still in the damn city for gawdsakes!) or B: If the company isn't headquartered here in town. Nevermind all of those EMPLOYED people in town.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: fieldafm on April 12, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
I have two calenders at work... one a work calender that I also program into Outlook, the other my social calender which is programmed into the Iphone.

I actually need a bigger calender for the social calender to fit all the stuff in.  It has no empty space for any day.  Most nights, I make choices as to what to do/what not to do between three events. 

I'll buy an 'under an hour' pizza at Mellow or Tommys(they let you call your order in ahead of time) OR Mr Taco if anybody wants ideas.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 12, 2011, 03:32:38 PM
Mr Taco...? I'm there.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: tufsu1 on April 12, 2011, 03:44:25 PM
isn't it interesting how a thread about the urban core melded into a discussion of restaurants on the southside?
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: brainstormer on April 12, 2011, 05:17:52 PM
I'm just jealous of your hour long lunches!  I get all of 25 minutes.   >:(
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Timkin on April 13, 2011, 01:06:55 AM
I still suggest that the three of us take out Mr Simms, next time he is in town, until he is so sick of the Ironman Decathlon that he is crying to get back to the safety and quiet of Atlanta.

 I honestly think Mr. Simms means very well :) .  Seems like a good kid !   ( Simms , Im 47..don't go beatin up on me now. ;) )
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Timkin on April 13, 2011, 01:09:04 AM
I'm just jealous of your hour long lunches!  I get all of 25 minutes.   >:(

When I was doing printing equipment repair, 25 minutes for lunch was very very seldom. It was usually a drive-thru on the way to another call , if anything.   One hour?   LOL .. only with way advanced notice and good reason.  Seriously.

Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Timkin on April 13, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
partying ;)   ...   I think Im slightly past the Ironman Decathlon .  ;)   

And with regard to Simms, I was merely chiming in..   Can Captain Z and Field  out Ironman you?  ;)
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: fieldafm on April 13, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
isn't it interesting how a thread about the urban core melded into a discussion of restaurants on the southside?

Such is the state of current affairs unfortunately.  Downtown really is a hassle, and I say that as being someone who goes downtown to patronize what's left of the small business landscape at least three times a week.

Can Captain Z and Field  out Ironman you?  ;)

Field has three gray hairs currently residing on his scalp, so my Ironmanning doesn't have quite the tensile strength it used to.  That being said, catch me out at Burrito Gallery and Dos Gatos after kickball tomorrow night and you'll get a glimpse of the Field of yesteryear.
Title: Re: Census 2010: Why The Urban Core Matters
Post by: Timkin on April 13, 2011, 02:51:46 PM
haha!!!  cool