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1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« on: September 21, 2010, 03:02:47 AM »
1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?



The Black Sheep Restaurant Group, owners of popular urban core restaurants Chew and Orsay are proposing building a three story building at the corner of Oak and Margaret Streets with rooftop dining.  However, not everyone in the neighborhood approves of the development.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 06:33:43 AM »
Very modernistic...........where does one park? Not really sure it would fit in architecture wise!

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 06:44:22 AM »
Seems too big for the site.  Parking is already a problem in the area, and adding one net space for the restaurant and 2 floors of either residential or office is unrealistic.  Not working with RAP from the beginning is a real problem - do they perhaps think they have things "greased" with City Council and don't need RAP?

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2010, 07:05:35 AM »
The Oak St side of the building looks like a solid wall, why not continue the glass around both sides?

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2010, 07:58:53 AM »
The thing that I would love to have seen is for them to get a formal agreement with 1661 Riverside, which has a ton of parking.  However, they didn't, which means that there is no parking agreement.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2010, 08:31:41 AM »
I think it looks great and would be a great mix of old and new.  Its modern, urban, and doesn't have a sea of surface parking associated with it.  Although architecture is always going to be debated, it looks like they've put a lot of thought and effort into the design.

The 1661 garage would be a great location for employees if there is space because when most residents leave for work the office workers in the proposed building will just be arriving which wil leave the on street parking for customers.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2010, 08:39:15 AM »
i just feel it sucks that downtown loses another business.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2010, 09:02:52 AM »
The developers are NOT meeting the Riverside Avondale Zoning Overlay requirements; if City Council votes to allow them the exemptions for parking, set-back, sidewalk, height etc, we might as well throw out the zoning overlay. 

The zoning overlay was the result of months of meetings with residents and property owners in the neighborhood.

With minor changes this project could work; as it stands it will not be welcome in the neighborhood.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 09:04:11 AM »
The 1661 garage would be a great location for employees if there is space because when most residents leave for work the office workers in the proposed building will just be arriving which wil leave the on street parking for customers.

I agree - too bad there is no agreement in place.  That would make a lot of people feel better about this.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 09:13:55 AM »
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The 1661 garage would be a great location for employees if there is space because when most residents leave for work the office workers in the proposed building will just be arriving which wil leave the on street parking for customers.

You can already park in the bottom levels of the 1661 garage.  Its basically additional public parking.  There is no way that 1661 would allow the public to park in the upper levels (behind the gate) where residents park.  

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 09:14:03 AM »
I imagine LUZ will require provisions for additional parking.  Hopefully they will go farther than that - my biggest concerns are with scale (the proposed building really is too large for this location) and the Oak Street elevation.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 09:16:44 AM »
do they perhaps think they have things "greased" with City Council and don't need RAP?

If they feel that way, it's REALLY the wrong attitude. It's not that RAP wants to be this all-holy Gestapo, it's just that RAP has been the advocacy group and a very strong voice for the neighborhood.

What's really dissapointing is that the developers of 1661 Riverside and Publix (not local developers, mind you) worked with RAP early on (before the zoning overlay was passed mind you), and made chages to their designs based on their concerns.  These folks (local folks) don't seem to want to do that.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2010, 09:18:36 AM »
You can already park in the bottom levels of the 1661 garage.  Its basically additional public parking.  There is no way that 1661 would allow the public to park in the upper levels (behind the gate) where residents park.

Yes, however it's not designated as such.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no legal agreement that requires them to provide 24 hour residental parking to the developers of this project.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2010, 09:27:33 AM »
So does RAP control everyrthing that goes on in that side of town? Would be sad to see this project crash.

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Re: 1534 Oak Street - Appropriate for the Neighborhood?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2010, 09:28:37 AM »
The project has already passed the Planning Commission with conditions, one of which is to re-design the building and submit the new design to Planning Department staff to ensure it complies with the design regulations in the Zoning Overlay.  They had to agree to that condition or the Planning Department would have recommended denial of the PUD.  Yet, they still brought their design with them to the Planning Commission hearing as if that design is still going forward.  I expect they will still bring it to the LUZ meeting also.  

As far as I'm concerned, it's not the modern design so much (although not my personal favorite style and needing high quality materials so it doesn't look cheap) as the building's mass and scale.  An architect I know described it as "5 pounds of stuff shoved into a 1 pound bag."  I think that's right.

I wouldn't count on LUZ requiring more parking.  The Planning Commission did not make that a requirement, even though community members other than RAP spoke about their concerns.  If it's a concern, you should contact the LUZ members or Councilman Corrigan.