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McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« on: August 23, 2007, 12:00:00 AM »
McCoy's Creek Greenway begins



As a part of the McCoys Creek Pond project located at King and McCoys Creek Blvd, the first section of what will become the McCoys Creek Greenway has been installed.

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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2007, 03:33:48 PM »
Hopefully the drainage plans work to prevent the excessive flooding of that area. 

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Anyone got a map?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 10:51:21 AM »
Hey y'all, where is the map of this project? Does anyone have something to post? McCoy's Creek and ANY project along it's banks could have an impact on transportation. The old Union Station sit's on 70+ piles driven into the bedrock as the whole area was once a marsh from Mc Coy's Creek.

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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2007, 11:33:13 AM »


Its the section outlined in yellow.
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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2007, 11:58:56 AM »
Thank's Lake, just went to a Corps of Engineers site and found a "Hogan's Creek Greenway" too. With the lack of connectivity between downtown and the sport's district, I'd hate to see us mess up Hogan's Creek when the real chance for a Oklahoma City or San Antonio River-Walk or in our case "creek-walk" is possible. If our planners could just project what OKC or San Antone, has done onto a map of Hogan's Creek, we COULD have our cake and eat it too!

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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2007, 12:09:29 PM »
The Hogans greenway is, at this point, nothing more than a sidewalk and a few minor amenities(its a start, so Im not complaining).

The creek itself will eventually be worked on under the Army Core of Engineers Aquatic renourishment program (Congress will probably allocate about 200K to design work next fiscal year). Sadly, this also is not a full fix. This will certainly help beautify the creek, and make it a healthier creek (aquatic health), but the industrial contamination will remain and the architecture wont be addressed. There is not a total Hogans Creek plan yet on the table, Im guessing because of the huge cost that will likely be associated with it.

The best approach may be to go after a commercial redevelopment of the creek, downstream, THEN have money included for the rest of the creek, State St north as part of that project that will help with parks, remaining Klutho architecture, and creek contamination.
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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2007, 12:32:10 PM »


Thank's for the information on Hogan's Creek. The above is a copy of the Army Corps of Engineers map of the creek, I added the rough park boundrys and the downstream (bold green) re-development area. I would like to push this area as a bridge for our Sport's and stadium district and our downtown. Light Rail in the form of Heritage Trolley's, perhaps an old style "Trolley Park" next to State Street, and a Creek-Walk with retail, restaurant's, condo's and apartments would round it out. A small weir could keep the water deep enough to float small cruise boats, while broad shady walks on each side would make it an attractive walk. The Skyway finished into a Randolph and Beaver Street Multi-Modal Station would really kick start the whole thing. Somewhere, someone or some department just has to get the ball rolling. I'm with you that once we apply a little fuel, this fire will take off in the private sector.  

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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 01:26:14 AM »
if you live on McCoys creek then you know what the real issues are.  like the flooding that happens every time it rains for a while. i live between Edison and McCoys creek road and the flooding is horrible,the ground five feet from the property line is eroding and theres nothing we can do.  a while back some people came out to survey the creek and they were blown away by the loss of ground in the area. i just wish theyd make a plan to widen the creek or make more drainage for the area.   something to releave us is better than nothing at all.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 01:28:00 AM by rayna22 »

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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 01:56:40 AM »
The creek will always over flow, no where for the water to go, the creek sits at the lowest point along the road, so backup is inevitable, and there will ALWAYS be drainage problems without a PUMP system.

The ONLY way to move the water is to pump it to another retention pond or some other retention system. But really, how many people live on the street, and if they do, are there no other homes available in Jax for residence???????

This is akin to every argument along the Mississippi River for every small town, why again do they have towns on  the river, when they KNOW it will overflow?????
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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2009, 06:46:19 PM »
The creek will always over flow, no where for the water to go, the creek sits at the lowest point along the road, so backup is inevitable, and there will ALWAYS be drainage problems without a PUMP system.

The ONLY way to move the water is to pump it to another retention pond or some other retention system. But really, how many people live on the street, and if they do, are there no other homes available in Jax for residence???????

This is akin to every argument along the Mississippi River for every small town, why again do they have towns on  the river, when they KNOW it will overflow?????
Hopefully the drainage plans work to prevent the excessive flooding of that area. 

Proof positive of failure today.  I drove through the area on King Street to McCoys this afternoon and it was "Road Closed".  Behind the sign, was a "lake" as far as the eye could see and several hundred feet wide. And the rains today, while significant, are nothing compared to September's typical tropical storm rainfall totals and saturation.

What was all that money spent for on creating those giant retention ponds, etc. supposed to accomplish?   I think the National Flood Insurance program should buy up all the property in the flood plain and recreate it.  How come this water doesn't flood the creek banks all the way to the river?  Is it dammed somewhere?  Maybe Stockton and King need to have their crossings rebuilt into full scale high rise bridges rather than closing them everytime we get a hard rain.
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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2009, 08:50:23 PM »
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Is it dammed somewhere?

The Times Union office and plant is built right over the creek where it meets the river.  Maybe that's the problem.
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Re: McCoy's Creek Greenway begins
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 06:34:47 AM »
The creek will always over flow, no where for the water to go, the creek sits at the lowest point along the road, so backup is inevitable, and there will ALWAYS be drainage problems without a PUMP system.

The ONLY way to move the water is to pump it to another retention pond or some other retention system. But really, how many people live on the street, and if they do, are there no other homes available in Jax for residence???????

This is akin to every argument along the Mississippi River for every small town, why again do they have towns on  the river, when they KNOW it will overflow?????


Proof positive of failure today.  I drove through the area on King Street to McCoys this afternoon and it was "Road Closed".  Behind the sign, was a "lake" as far as the eye could see and several hundred feet wide. And the rains today, while significant, are nothing compared to September's typical tropical storm rainfall totals and saturation.

What was all that money spent for on creating those giant retention ponds, etc. supposed to accomplish?   I think the National Flood Insurance program should buy up all the property in the flood plain and recreate it.  How come this water doesn't flood the creek banks all the way to the river?  Is it dammed somewhere?  Maybe Stockton and King need to have their crossings rebuilt into full scale high rise bridges rather than closing them everytime we get a hard rain.


The national flood insurance program is on a very aggressive drive to buy up property that have had multiple flood claims.  unfortunately as would be expected the process is long and complicated, takes up to 18-24 months.  This is relatively new, previously the feds would only offer money to elevate existing home or elevate them.  About 2 years ago they decided that the buy out option would attract more people.
Hopefully the drainage plans work to prevent the excessive flooding of that area. 
« Last Edit: April 02, 2009, 11:08:00 AM by civil42806 »