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2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« on: May 06, 2010, 05:06:58 AM »
2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network



Recently identified as the fourth most deadly city for pedestrians, the proposed 2030 Mobility Plan aims improve the city's pedestrian facilities and network.

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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 08:32:09 AM »
Maybe it's just me, but all the pedestrians on the Arlington expressway illustration look like they're about to be run over. That doesn't look very safe at all.

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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 08:34:35 AM »
At least we've got some money going towards pedestrian projects.  $13M is a far cry from the $200M for the 9B extension.  If people actually lived and worked downtown, we wouldn't need all of the road expansion projects.  But, it must first be desirable to live and work downtown.  It's an interest balancing act.  It's too bad the bust happened right when downtown was going to be interesting with the Shipyards... 

I think that Kernan Blvd is the best example for a road that works for cars, bikes, and walkers.  It's too bad that we didn't set aside the wide potential for all roads in JAX.

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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 08:44:54 AM »
Maybe it's just me, but all the pedestrians on the Arlington expressway illustration look like they're about to be run over. That doesn't look very safe at all.

That's a conceptual sketch from the Arlington Vision Plan.  No actual project has been designed or even funded at this point.
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 08:48:55 AM »
At least we've got some money going towards pedestrian projects.  $13M is a far cry from the $200M for the 9B extension.  If people actually lived and worked downtown, we wouldn't need all of the road expansion projects.  But, it must first be desirable to live and work downtown.  It's an interest balancing act.  It's too bad the bust happened right when downtown was going to be interesting with the Shipyards...  

I think that Kernan Blvd is the best example for a road that works for cars, bikes, and walkers.  It's too bad that we didn't set aside the wide potential for all roads in JAX.

I believe if we site planned our developments better, people could live all over this county (not just DT) and we still would not need projects like 9B.  The 9B's continue to come along due to this sprawling low density land development pattern we continue to force on the landscape through public regulation.  By the same token, the city's budget will continue to come up short because of unsustainable spread out growth and development that strains our infrastructure resources.
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 12:12:48 PM »
Hey $13M is better then nothing, but I am really happy that the city is trying to make the place more pedestrian friendly, we certainly need it.
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 02:30:24 PM »
Pedestrian mobility has to include more dense living arrangements and a more grid based system, which is easy for pedestrians to navigate. You can put all the sidewalk you want out there, but if the area is nothing but suburban sprawl, no one will use the sidewalks.

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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 02:42:32 PM »
You're absolutely correct!  Luckily, the proposed Mobility Plan attempts to integrate land use (such as more dense living arragements) with mobility (bike, ped, transit & roads) and gives the private sector credit adjustments for embracing smart growth principles (like gridded streets) in their project's design.  
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 03:34:08 PM »
lake I concur with the general principles regarding the "Mobility Plan" .............something along those lines has been severely lacking for the past...........oh say 50 YEARS! Gridded streets and walkability are an integral part when included..............don't know about the BRT end of things! Especially if JTA is involved in that part! Those silly people can't even get some bus shelters where needed (Like everywhere!!:)) Smart growth to me is a no brain er when you take the long view vision! Current Administration can't spell the word vision.......at least that's obvious to me!

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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 04:23:38 PM »
Those silly people can't even get some bus shelters where needed (Like everywhere!!:))

maybe that's because some folks keep fighting them over the advertising on shelters!
« Last Edit: May 06, 2010, 04:26:08 PM by tufsu1 »

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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2010, 05:00:10 PM »
Those silly people can't even get some bus shelters where needed (Like everywhere!!:))

maybe that's because some folks keep fighting them over the advertising on shelters!

So I guess they would rather get rained on then have to look at advertisements. Pretty sad.
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 08:28:21 PM »
I think it is important to note that much more than $13.5 million will be spent on pedestrian facilities....just about every new or widened roadway will include sidewalks and/or other pedestrian facilities.

Also, a major focus of the plan is improving the pedestrian system around transit...remember that just about  every transit rider is also a pedestrian.
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2010, 08:34:50 PM »
Great points!
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2010, 08:40:32 PM »
I think it is important to note that much more than $13.5 million will be spent on pedestrian facilities....just about every new or widened roadway will include sidewalks and/or other pedestrian facilities.

Also, a major focus of the pna is improving the pedestrian system around transit...remember that just about  every transit rider is also a pedestrian.

That is true, because even out in the boonies were I live, any new roads built have sidewalks, even if they seem abandoned and never used, but at least they are there.
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Re: 2030 Mobility Plan: Pedestrian Network
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2010, 08:45:39 PM »
Existing Network & Committed Projects - Pedestrian Mode

Committed sidewalk projects to be constructed in the upcoming years are indicated in blue.

Does the above map really show a committed sidewalk project ACROSS the Matthews Bridge?
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