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Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« on: March 15, 2010, 06:07:33 AM »
Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010



A look at the status of various projects under construction in and around Downtown Jacksonville during the month of March.

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 07:04:04 AM »
Wow - lots of good stuff happening.  Good to see Burro Bags moving forward.  Anyone have more info on Jackson's Grill and The Loft?  And is that Herschel Street office building new construction?  Nice.
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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 08:12:53 AM »
The Loft has been advertised in Folio Weekly just as "coming soon" with no real description. I assume it will be another nightlife venue.

Jackson's Grill: http://www.jacksonvilleconfidential.com/2009/12/jacksons-grill.html



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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 08:19:38 AM »
The doctors office on Herschel Street is new construction.  Actually fits in the neighborhood pretty well.
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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 08:37:28 AM »
The doctors office on Herschel Street is new construction.  Actually fits in the neighborhood pretty well.

You know, some of the 50's, 60's, (and perhaps), the 70's and 80's buildings also fit into the neighborhood "pretty well". Every fake "old" building that goes up, adds to a sense of historical confusion and reveals the limits of our imagination, regarding the definition of historic. If in ten years riverside continues to slide toward the appearance of a Thomas Kincade painting, yet it satisfies folks desire for safety and nostalgia, is that a good thing?

one another note, those pipes coming off the roof are a little awkward. Grandma's house never had those. No chimney either, I guess fireside chats are out too.

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 08:51:41 AM »
There's isn't anything particularly "fake" about using an architectural style from a previous era. For most of our history, houses were built based on a centuries old building techniques and styles. There's no rule that we have to discard the past every decade. Best to retain the best parts of it as we move forward.

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 09:31:19 AM »
Sure.  For example look at our new courthouse.  The Acropolis pasted onto the front of an oversize Parthenon.  That's recycling and old style for sure.  ugh!
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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 10:42:53 AM »
Of course it's a forgery to in-fill and redevelop lots in a diverse historic nieghborhood with replicas (albeit watered down). This point has already been stated better elsewhere, but consider this: with regard to tear downs and redevelopement in Riverside/Avondale, it's only newer structures that fall,(post 1950) often to be replaced with the "faux historic style". Now stop and think about how that contributes to a loss of our historic narritive, loss of stylistic variety with in the district, and contamination of the value (monetary and spiritual) of the historic district. What history ARE we making by concouisly re-enginering our architectural heritage? It's quite sad and disturbing in my opinion. Maybe FAKE is the wrong word, but the fact the activity outlined above is usually championed by so-called progressives, is distrubing in it's limited and anachronistic vision for our communities future architectual fabric.

"Using" a style and being influenced by a style are two different things. I dissagree with you that the former is ok, as a rule. And even if it were, the last place it would seem appropriate would be in a "historic district". Think about that. Make refference to styles near by if you must, but it makes no sense to completly mimic 100 year old styles in the 21st century.

The national mall is filled museums, and other structures, that convey history. Think about what we have all in a row, from the Smithsonian "castle", the Modernist Hirschorn Musum (It's a big concrete cherrio with legs, if you haven't seen it), the Native American Museum, which looks like a block of sandstone carved up by martians. Next door to that, sits the botanical garden building, classical, flutted roman (inspired) collunms and 150 years of white paint. While everyone may claim a favorite (or LEAST favorite), I believe what we get from that is harmony (through diversity) and a genuine, narritive history.

This issue is of great concern for me, I remain emotionally invested in the future of the reminaing (shrinking) historic bits of JAx, and I wish that a more enlightened view of development was the rule instead of the exception.
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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 11:08:56 AM »
Anyone have more info on Jackson's Grill and The Loft? 

I did not make it there, but Jackson's Grill had their grand opening this past Saturday. I plan to get there in the following week. From what I gathered it is a Blues theme grill and will feature Blues bands there.

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 11:19:43 AM »
The building on Herschel is a beautiful building and a great tribute to the prairie style. I think remembering and replicating great historic styles adds to a neighborhood, if done well.  Clearly the courthouse is not done well, as you can't use pre-fab concrete to replicate stone.  The herschel building is done well in my opinion.  Also. it's a coastal engineering firm, not a doctor's office.

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 11:28:24 AM »
Courthouse is the only thing really going on.  Come on recession/depression/economic depression, go away, shoo!  Let's get some or all of our skyscraper developments back on the board!

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2010, 11:59:47 AM »
The building on Herschel is a beautiful building and a great tribute to the prairie style. I think remembering and replicating great historic styles adds to a neighborhood, if done well.  Clearly the courthouse is not done well, as you can't use pre-fab concrete to replicate stone.  The herschel building is done well in my opinion.  Also. it's a coastal engineering firm, not a doctor's office.

It might be a tribute, but it's far from great. Where in being derivative is greatness? Lety's all agree to reserve that word for the pioneirs and the inovators. (who build elsewhere). Ther's nothing artfull about this building, it looks exactly like all the other's put up in the last 5 years (although this one is green). Praire style-lite.

How could the replica old buildings "add" to the nieghborhood? Besides counting addresses.

There's little evidence to show that anyone wonders about this very deeply.

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2010, 12:11:52 PM »
Im glad to see how much is going on. HOwever, Im ready for the real estate market to rebound well. We had some pretty great residental projects in the works that have been canned due to the economy. I was soooo looking to forward to the St John being built.
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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2010, 12:49:27 PM »
John Gorrie is being converted into condos right?

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Re: Urban Core Construction Update - March 2010
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2010, 01:50:18 PM »
John Gorrie is being converted into condos right?

Right.  I think there are plans for retail along Stockton St. facing the Marybuilt Building as well.  Taking down the windowless brick boxes there will be an improvement.
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