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Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« on: January 12, 2010, 06:08:44 AM »
Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core



Metro Jacksonville takes a look at one of the urban core's largest construction projects currently underway: Keystone Coal.

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 08:05:40 AM »
anyone know if this will have any kind of negative impact on the pollution in downtown with the coal? Smog?  Also, any known "nose pollution" from the restarting the kiln?

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 08:19:52 AM »
I don't think they are planning on burning the coal there, just receiving it by ship. There may be an increase in truck traffic if they don't make use of the rail access.

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 08:55:48 AM »
Can't imagine them not taking advantage of rail to ship these types of bulk materials.  Anyway, the site is pretty contaminated already from a century of fertilizer production and as a paper mill.  So on one end, if it can be buffered well from the residential neighborhoods to the west, its a decent refuse of the site.
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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 09:40:30 AM »
anyone know if this will have any kind of negative impact on the pollution in downtown with the coal? Smog?  Also, any known "nose pollution" from the restarting the kiln?

Based on the big coal terminal we have in Newport News, there should be a bit of nose pollution but no problems with smog.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 10:56:11 AM »
The last cement kiln I was at was gas fired and only had some burner noise during start up.  Smog wasn't a big factor. There was little to no smoke. I don't think the neighborhoods to the west will complain much.

Having been a paper mill or two I think this would be a better alternative. If they control storm run off from  it shouldn't affect the river much.

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 11:02:03 AM »
There will be no burning at the terminal. They are Coal importers, in effect a coal store... one does not burn his store stock.

Having them here MIGHT impact our JEA bills with coal fired plants in 2 locations, having this huge coal landing facility in the neighborhood could bring the price down. Anthracite burns clean, so it would even cut down on JEA pollution.


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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 11:26:21 AM »
Ock, Did I hear that the coal they are bringing in was coming from ColOmbia?
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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 11:37:24 AM »
It is coming from Colombia & Venezuela, DW.

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 12:56:00 PM »
Wow; industrial waste fart.

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 12:57:11 PM »
Don't they make asphalt and tar from coal?

Roadbuilding materials; that would make sense for what this shipping company's purpose will be.

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 01:53:46 PM »
Asphalt is made from oil.  It's about whats left after they take all the good stuff like gasoline out.
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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 04:38:13 PM »
Oil can generally be refined from coal, but it's not an economical process.


Viva La Republica Colombia!

Also this is ANTHRACITE COAL, which has less then 1% Sulfur content. It is used in making steel because unlike common coal, it burns hotter and CLEAN, with no decitible fly ash. Anthracite is found in COLOMBIA in abundance and in Pennsylvania and western Maryland, here in the States. Before Infernal Combustion Engines took over the world, people were savvy enough to ask which train or what railroad used anthracite. The reason to inquire of the type of coal, was the millions of tiny cinders that float back over the train and through the open windows of pre air conditioned America. On anything but an anthracite burning railroad, you would be forced to either wear something that was grubby enough that you wouldn't cry over a few tiny burn holes in the cloth. With anthracite it was known that a certain famous actress regularly wore a beautiful white gown between NYC and Buffalo, "On the route of Anthracite."  In other words, we're going to be the center of the Universe for "SUPER COAL," and it will no longer be rare as chickens teeth to our steel and other industries,  ,because they'll all know to "Shop in Jacksonville."

WE HAVE TO WONDER IF THIS TERMINAL WILL BRING ON YET ANOTHER HUGE INDUSTRY... COKING?

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What is coke and what is its origin

tlaceni_koksu_1.jpgCoke is created by the pyrolysis of black coal under high temperature - over 1000 °C - without supply of air. Coke production utilises black coal, if possible with low content of sulphur and suitable properties for coking. Also raw tar, ammonia, raw benzol, coke-oven gas and hydrogen sulphide are the products of coal coking.

Coking process

    * manipulation with coal
    * preparation of coke charge
    * high-temperature carbonisation (coal charging, coking, coke extrusion and coke cooling)
    * manipulation with coke, its sorting
    * cooling and cleaning of raw coke-oven gas and gaining of chemical by-products

What is coke used for

Coke is used as a fuel and reductant in for example blast furnace during production of iron, as heating fuel and raw material during some chemical productions.

Coke from coal is grey, hard and porous.

The heating power of coke is 29.6 MJ/kg.

Coke was created also naturally, especially when coal beds got into touch with liquid hot magma in the course of geological development.

Coke is created also during processing of raw oil, however, its composition is not suitable for iron production.

Coke in space

Thanks to its porosity, coke is particularly good thermal insulating material. That is why it is used in the U.S. space program as one of the components of braking shield for spacecrafts. Within Apollo program this material got to the Moon's orbit in the thermal shield of the commanding section of the lunar ship. Coke is also counted on for Orion spaceship intended for the return of Man to the Moon and conquest of Mars.

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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 05:35:10 PM »
^ Given that both sides of my family come from Scranton...

From Wikipedia:

Rail travel around the year 1900 was not pleasant. After a long trip on a coal-powered train, travellers would frequently emerge covered in black soot. The exception to that rule were locomotives powered by anthracite, a clean-burning form of coal. The Lackawanna owned vast anthracite mines in Pennsylvania, and could legitimately claim that their passengers' clothes would still look clean after a long trip.

To promote this fact, their advertising department created Phoebe Snow, a young New York socialite, and a frequent passenger of the Lackawanna. For reasons never explained, Miss Snow often travelled to Buffalo, New York, always wearing a white dress.

The first ad featured the image of Phoebe and a short poem:

Says Phoebe Snow
about to go
upon a trip to Buffalo
"My gown stays white
from morn till night
Upon the Road of Anthracite"
The campaign became a popular one, and soon Phoebe began to enjoy all the benefits offered by DL&W: Gourmet food, courteous attendants, an observation deck, even on-board electric lights:

Now Phoebe may
by night or day
enjoy her book upon the way
Electric light
dispels the night
Upon the Road of Anthracite
Phoebe soon became one of the United States' most recognized advertising mascots. During World War I, anthracite was needed for the war effort, and its use on railroads was prohibited, thus ending her career, but her legend remained alive among railroad fans.
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Re: Major Shipping Terminal Coming to Urban Core
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2010, 06:55:24 PM »
Nice find Wicca!




There is a tiny bit more to the story that you might wish to look up. When the era of Diesel Streamliners launched on the nations rails, the DL&W (Deleware, Lackawanna and Western - AKA: THE LACKAWANNA) sent a flagship cruise train from New York to Buffalo, daily, it's name? "The Phoebe Snow!" When the Lackawanna merged with the Erie Railroad, to form the Erie Lackawanna Railroad, the flagship train was extended all the way to Chicago from Buffalo. The Phoebe Snow continued as a class act until the dawn of Amtrak, it wasn't selected as part of the national system, along with 2/3Rds of the rest of our trains.


In the 1980's a very sexy voiced female Jazz singer took the name back to the top of the charts as "Miss Phoebe Snow," returned to the stage, in the flesh.

Last but not least in my heart, we decided the name was "railroad" enough for a baby girl to be born in 1986, sadly baby Phoebe didn't survive an otherwise perfect 9 months, So the name leaves me mushy.


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