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Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« on: December 15, 2009, 06:00:34 AM »
Moving Forward: Oklahoma City



It may be a recession but the nation's economic conditions have not stopped several of Jacksonville's peer cities from dreaming big and taking action to achieve those dreams. Today, Metro Jacksonville takes a look at how Oklahoma City stacks up to Jacksonville, the MAPS3 initiative, and its impact on this capitol city.


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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 06:03:57 AM »
At 6 AM on 12/15 the temperature in Oklahoma City is 18 degrees, with a projected high of 38 today. Nuff said.
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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 07:13:36 AM »
LOL well the temperature may be cold, but then again so is NYC and many others.  Worked in OKC before and after the downtown rebuild.  Warm temperatures hasn't helped downtown Jacksonville.   I was very suspect of the proposals that came out of the redevelopment of Bricktown, particularly the building of the canal.  But in this case it appears to have worked, great baseball park, bricktown Brewery, many great bars and nightclubs.

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 07:44:24 AM »
Read today's TU, most of the people interviewed as living in 80 degree downtown Jacksonville, also work in downtown Jacksonville. You can create all the theme parks and gadget real estate centers you want, but at the end of the day, you need people working downtown to draw more businesses, residents and build an economic self-sustaining downtown.

Without more businesses downtown, it will never grow. You can't keep dumping people downtown and hoping new condos and apartments breed more people. Gate Parkway would say otherwise.
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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 07:51:33 AM »
Nice.  I'm glad you guys looked at Oklahoma City.  Bricktown is a very cool place.
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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 09:01:31 AM »
Mtrain,


Retail follows rooftops, not the other way around.  Corporate leaders should be strongly encouraged to locate and expand DT, but the fact that Jax ALREADY has 60,000 people working DT proves that office workers alone will not do the job.  Few restuarants can make it off of one meal (Lunch) alone.  Residents will add the demand for Breakast and dinner and after-dinner/weekend entertainment.   The residents and/or the visitors have to be there before businesses can survive.      

The large geographic size of OKC also hightlights the nonsense that is the theory that sprawled out cities don't support strong DTs.  Indy, Nashville and Charlotte are other examples.  Like the FBC excuse, that one needs to be buried.  

OKC is well on its way to leaving Jacksonville in the dust, just as Charlotte, Nashville and Indy have already done.  Your nice temperatures and ocean water will not fill the void that only VISION and LEADERSHIP can provide.
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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:02:01 AM »
Bricktown Canal = Hogans Creek

The difference is visionary plans, and the leadership/continuity to implement them. People always talk about rooftops in Jax, but continue to limit the boundaries of downtown. If the shape of it were shifted, and connectivity to Springfield improved, all of sudden, downtown/uptown would have a combined 7,100 residents.

Where are OKC's homeless services, jail and Greyhound stations?

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:37 AM »
Are there any other cities stuck in neutral? or is it just Jacksonville?

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:58:24 AM »
Hey all, new to the site and this is my first post.

I think an idea like "bricktown" would work wonders in downtown. If they put as much effort into an area downtown like they did the Town Center, I think it will definately start getting more people there more often, including me!

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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »
Where are OKC's homeless services, jail and Greyhound stations?

I don't know about the homeless services but the jail is on the opposite far end of downtown from Bricktown, the convention center and other attractions.  Greyhound is near the center of downtown and a block away from Myriad Botanical Gardens.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 11:10:29 AM »
Are there any other cities stuck in neutral? or is it just Jacksonville?

Sure, we're not the only late one to the party. Toledo, Dayton and Richmond (although its a lot denser) are a few that have had their struggles as well.
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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 11:26:41 AM »
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At 6 AM on 12/15 the temperature in Oklahoma City is 18 degrees, with a projected high of 38 today. Nuff said.


Cold weather is a compromise for what you get in return, in my humble Floridian opinion. For example, it was 14 effing degrees up here in DC last January, but I got to see history take place when we, the people inaugurated the first minority president. Florida and Jacksonville have probably milked as much of "but it's not cold here" as they can.

Moreover, weather isn't everything, anyway. DC's weather suuuuuuuuuuucks. Outside of spring, the season's here are like a worst hits of weather: hot and humid in the summer; rainy and cold in the late fall; crazy windy and cold sans snow for most of the damned winter. Nonetheless, it's a great place to live, even if it doesn't possess abundant sunshine.

My father, who still lives in Florida (Parkland,) recently expressed the same sentiment regarding the weather and Florida. He loves DC, but hated the cold, so he was happy to go back to "sucky, but warm, Florida." So, I offer you this challenge: imagine a Jacksonville that doesn't just have a temperate climate going for it. Or Florida, for that matter.

Use me as an example. In theory, I'm of the demographic you'd like to attract. I'm an educated professional who straddles the business and the creative class. I'm not ideologically driven one way or the other on most issues. I don't commit crime. I spend money in stores, cafes and bars. I like museums, parks, cycling, forums, etc. I'm a ardent believer in New Urbanism. And I'm a native Floridian, born and raised.

So, consider this: I had to leave Florida to find the lifestyle I needed. "It's not cold there" wasn't enough to keep me, and I hate the cold. My first pit-stop was Atlanta, where I found a very vast business class of professionals, if not exactly the culture (the slogan of that city, outside of the High Museum of Art, should be "Atlanta: where smart people live cheap.") Nonetheless, Atlanta had ideal, brilliant weather. If climate were the only consideration for people, we'd all live in temperate, dry Atlanta, no? 9 months of pretty awesome weather, punctuated by 2 hot months and one kinda-sorta cold month.

But DC is the bee's knees. There's always life on the streets, always something to do, and there's not a need for a car (indeed, one can live in suburbia and still enjoy the Metro, the "fake downtowns" and the connectivity.) So, the weather sucks. So, it costs too much. So, there are too many goddamned Chipotles. Nonetheless, I took all my intellectual capital here, because outside of the weather, there's a lot here that doesn't suck.

When Florida gets their act together, and realizes that perhaps mere climate isn't enough to attract more than the lowest common denominator, what an amazing state that will be. I'll totally move back for "DC on the St. Johns."
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 11:37:31 AM »
I visted an architect office out there one year. Everything was brown. They had the worst drought in years. Fire hazard was very high. The only thing I really enjoyed about the trip with dinner at Cattleman's near the stockyards. Lamb fries were good. But then again I can get real fried oysters back home.

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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 12:36:14 PM »
The 'industries' [60,000 jobs] are already there.  Yet the sidewalks are still rolled up at 5:00. 

The same thing could have been said for Charlotte 10 years ago.  Thousands of jobs, and even safe streets, but no nightlife whatsoever.  Only when the resident population reached nearly 10,000 did the transformation complete itself.

Name one city that did it any other way.   


People don't live where they WORK, they live where they PLAY, be it the lake, the beach, or a vibrant urban oasis. 

Bring in the residents or at least a steady stream of visitors, and the other (retail, restaurants, entertainment) will take care of itself.


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Re: Moving Forward: Oklahoma City
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 12:38:24 PM »
fsujax
Today at 10:10:37 AM

Are there any other cities stuck in neutral? or is it just Jacksonville?

I believe you meant reverse