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Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« on: April 20, 2009, 05:00:00 AM »
Urban Parks: Confederate Park



Separating Springfield from Downtown, this nine acre park was once the epicenter of Jacksonville's cultural scene.

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 10:34:26 AM »
Great article! I love this park since I work so close to it.
I wonder if there's any way we can get the waterway rails repainted to their former glory? I'd love to be part of the volunteer crew on that project.
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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 11:25:43 AM »
I was there yesterday. a couple things:

1) why isn't this park as nicely kept as Memorial Park? Do all parks get the same amount of money for upkeep?

2) a fence, similar to the one in Rivrseide Park, around the pond would be great. it would keep large trash from being blown in to the pond and make it look nicer.
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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 03:44:28 PM »
fsu813, the Springfield Woman's Club has tried for years to get the City to fence in the pond.  It's a safety hazard as well as an eyesore.  So far the requests have fallen on deaf ears, but don't fret - our ladies can be pretty persistent. ::)

The WC also renovated and restored the Woman of the South and Robert Burns statues last year - they were overgrown and needed cleaning and repairs.  Unfortunately, City funds don't seem to trickle down to this lovely park.

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 04:14:37 PM »
What are the buildings next to the canal with the boarded up windows? I'll bet that was a beautiful place at one time.

I've always liked this park and thought that demolishing some of the derelict buildings adjacent to the park and providing more parking and park amenities would make a nice feature for an in-town park.

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 06:30:53 PM »
Interesting... Photo #6 from the top of the page, "Birds Eye View" in black and white shows a completely different Hogans Creek from the one we all know. A careful look would seem to put the little sailing skiff at 15-20 feet (is that a day cabin?). Also note the berm on the North Side of the creek, is the creek level higher then the duck pond? Where did the berm come from? Looks pretty wide and when the bridge rail-wall went up the berm vanished. Go back to those photos of Camp Milton... This "Confederate Park" might well be built directly in the field of fire from the Federal earthworks that were built to to protect them from the Confederates! Wonder if there are any other photos of Hogans Creek? Boats on the creek? Earthworks?
We might have something more historical then we ever dreamed.


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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 08:19:21 PM »
lindab,
The building with the boarded-up windows is the old EH Thompson supply company at Main & Orange -  formerly a car dealership (Nimnicht Cadillac I think?) .  It's really cool inside...lots of original tile work.  The ramps where they used to drive the cars from the first floor into the showroom are still there too.  I know there have been a zillion ideas on how to repurpose this building but so far it just sits there looking sad.

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 12:15:14 AM »
lindab,
The building with the boarded-up windows is the old EH Thompson supply company at Main & Orange -  formerly a car dealership (Nimnicht Cadillac I think?) .  It's really cool inside...lots of original tile work.  The ramps where they used to drive the cars from the first floor into the showroom are still there too.  I know there have been a zillion ideas on how to repurpose this building but so far it just sits there looking sad.

This was actually the Claude Nolan Cadillac dealership now on Southside Blvd.  It should match up to this unless it was redone somewhere along the way:




From Florida State Archives at: http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/displayphoto.cfm?IMGURL=http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/reference/rc17942.jpg&IMGTEXT=[Claude%20Nolan%20cadillac%20dealership%20:%20Jacksonville,%20Florida]%20[graphic]&IMGTITLE=RC17942
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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 12:21:43 AM »
That's where my dad bought his cars! Cool, Claude Nolan? The 59 with the tail fins was great, dad had a white one always driven with a black trilby hat, his best friend bought a black one always driven with a black trilby hat! NO JOKE! The made a sport out of "who could bribe the wait staff the most to get the weekly Sunday afternoon lunch tab..." What a couple of nuts.

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 12:39:57 AM »
According to their web site, Claude Nolan Cadillac was founded in 1905.  That makes it older than the park next door.

Found this tidbit on the internet.  See if you remember driving this family car discussed below and displayed at the Concours d'Elegance at Amelia Island celebrating 100 years of General Motors  ;) :


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Cadillac Automobile Company originally shipped this car to Mr. Claude Nolan who was a Jacksonville Cadillac distributor for most of Florida, parts of Georgia and as far north as Charleston, SC. It was sold to O.P. Woodcock, a prominent builder, and was later reacquired by the Claude Nolan dealership.

The WideTrack designation is the result of the destination of the vehicle. If the car was to be sold in rural areas at the time, the Widetrack version was provided to enhance stability on non-paved roads.

Except for a repaint to red, the car remains in original condition until restored in 2001/2002. As shown, the car is finished as originally delivered with the same colors, pin striping, leather, and equipment.

Claude Nolan Cadillac, Inc., remains in the family and is one of the oldest continuous Cadillac dealerships in the nation.



See: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=10530&iDNumID=3990
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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 12:52:41 AM »
Found this article in the Times Union from 2005 recapping the 100 years of Claude Nolan.  Apparently this building was built in 1910 and designed by Klutho. Below is part of the article and the full article can be found at:  http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/021205/whe_17950997.shtml

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Claude Nolan Cadillac celebrates 100th anniversary

By Cari Boyce
Special to the Times-Union

The year was 1905. The world's first theater exclusively for motion pictures opened in Pittsburgh; Las Vegas was founded; and an automobile exceeded 100 miles per hour for the very first time.

It was the same year that Claude Nolan became a Cadillac Motor Car agent in Jacksonville.

The rest is history ... and a very successful one for the Southside dealership.

The dealership's legacy actually goes back more than 100 years.

Born in Sanford in 1883, Nolan moved to Jacksonville as a child. He graduated from Duval High School and later, Vanderbilt University. In 1905, law degree in hand, he returned to Jacksonville, where his father, George Nolan, served as mayor from1903 until his death in 1906.

Nolan opened his Cadillac Motor Car dealership in a small building on East Church Street and became part of an industry that would grow to be a driving force in the nation's economy. The Florida land boom was beginning to gather momentum and within a few years, the enterprise expanded to occupy a grand, three-story dealership on Main Street.

This building, built by Nolan in 1910, was designed by Henry J. Klutho, a prominent and prolific Jacksonville architect in the decades following the Great Fire of 1901. This much-admired building continued to serve as the Cadillac dealership's home until 1985 when a new facility was completed on Southside Boulevard.

Nolan was a member of the original Cadillac "Old Guard.'' He distributed all Cadillac products east of Apalachicola, and in about 20 counties in South Georgia. After World War II, his territory was the largest single distributorship of Cadillac motor cars.

It seemed that everything Nolan touched turned to gold. Even Nolan's Cadillac dealership on the then-new Biscayne Boulevard in Miami, called "Nolan's Folly''when it was established, prospered. In the years following World War II, it became one of the largest Cadillac dealerships in the nation.

Along the way, Nolan acquired Pontiac franchises in Miami and Jacksonville and operated a number of automotive trade businesses in Florida and Georgia dealing in Steward Warner, Alemite, Duco, Philco and other products.

Claude Nolan never married, but he looked after his sister, Lila Nolan Peterson, and her daughter, Claudia, after the death of Lila's husband. In time, Claudia married Connor Brown who joined the family business in 1938. Nolan died in 1943 and was succeeded by Brown as distributor.

The company continued to operate as Claude Nolan Inc.

By war's end, Brown had established Connor Brown Cadillac in Fort Lauderdale, built a branch of Nolan-Brown Motors on Bay Harbour Island in Miami Beach and relinquished the Trail Pontiac franchise in Miami.

In 1965, Connor Brown was the largest Cadillac distributor in the Florida territory. That year, Cadillac terminated all of its distributor agreements, leaving Connor Brown as the Cadillac dealer in Jacksonville, Miami, Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale.

It was also the same year that Jack Helmick, joined the company. He would eventually became president of the company in 1976 after the death of his father-in-law, Connor Brown.

Helmick, a graduate of Auburn University and of the University of Florida College of Law, served as a reconnaissance pilot in the Navy before joining the company in 1965 to assist Brown. Helmick later acquired the Claude Nolan franchise location in Jacksonville and started Claude Nolan Cadillac Inc.

During the 1960s and 1970s, the company experienced many changes. Brown and George Williamson opened George Williamson Cadillac in South Miami. Williamson later bought Brown's interest in the dealership.

Claude Nolan Inc. relinquished its Pontiac franchise in Jacksonville in order to concentrate on the growing Cadillac market and dealerships in Miami and Miami Beach were sold. When Connor Brown died in 1976, his wife, Claudia Nolan Brown, took over operation of Connor Brown Cadillac until 1979 when she sold the company.

As president of Claude Nolan Cadillac Inc., Helmick has continued the tradition of growth established by his predecessors. In fall 1985, the dealership relocated to its new facility at 4700 Southside Blvd. in the Quality Circle Auto Park.....

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 01:15:02 AM »
Yes, its a Klutho building.  It had a pretty nice facade until it was mutilated with the stucco front it has today.

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Re: Urban Parks: Confederate Park
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 11:36:06 PM »
A beautiful park.  about 10 years ago I was taking my wife downtown for the first time ever.  Down 17, we started to roll pass the park and she was amazed, park looked gorgeous. then of course then 20 homeboys with there 20oz in the brown bags broke into view leaning against one of the rails of the park, and she said  ahhhhh okay.

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 06:46:50 AM »
^That's a scene that has changed.  The only homeboys hanging out there now are geese.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 08:59:33 AM »
^That's a scene that has changed.  The only homeboys hanging out there now are geese.

Thats good to hear, glad they have got it cleaned up.  Did appear that way in the pictures, more people using it.