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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2010, 10:30:40 AM »
Despite the warning signs of low clearance, oversize vehicles still get stuck there. Yesterday (March 19, 2010) about 5 pm I was driving south on Myrtle and through the subway, when I saw a police car blocking the northbound side. Looking back, I saw a large aluminum box- either a truck or trailer- stuck rather far in. There was a large tow-truck waiting there for the duty ahead. Unfortunately, no camera with me to record same.
The concrete structure blocking the former streetcar lane is a box culvert.

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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2010, 06:15:31 PM »
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P.S. As seen in one of your pictures, there was also an overhead track around the corner on Bay Street at one time.  I also recall that Railway Express was where JTA HQ's is now currently.  Any pictures of their operations?

Actually, according to my details I picked up from the Railroadiana show in February, where the JTA sits now used to be a roundhouse for the Atlantic Coast Line. Seaboard was out in Baldwin.

Actually, the ACL facilities were out at Moncrief Yard, the Roundhouse and shop complex downtown was owned and operated by The Jacksonville Terminal Company.  

JTCO also served as home to the Atlantic and East Coast Terminal Railroad which owned all of the tracks north of Bay and East of Myrtle-Davis-Cleveland Streets. A&EC wasn't a big railroad, it joined the JTCO at Myrtle Interlocking (under I-95 today) and ran north over Bay Street on a bridge. The abutment of the south side of that bridge are still visible from Bay Street. It ran east to west down the middle of several streets, into the edge of downtown. They also operated the huge blocks long Between the 60's and 80's, that sea of medium sized industry moved away from downtown, and finally with the redevelopment of the so-called "Prime Osbourne" the A&ECT was errased.

If you'd like to see what the unique A&ECT looked like, take a drive just off Myrtle, and head west on Dennis Street. After crossing the tracks on Dennis Street make a left on Watt's Street to either Harper or Swan, both of which are identical twins of the old A&ECT. If your tempted to try model railroading, I can't imagine a better prototype for a small space, switching layout then the A&ECT.


In the foreground are the tracks of the Jacksonville Terminal Company, just to the right of the new FREEway bridge one can spot Bay Street ducking under the A&ECT RY.

It's easy to spot the REA Terminal with it's 32 stub tracks (largest express station in the world) which sits square on top of JTA's facility of today.  To the left of the REA Station is the JTCO roundhouse, shops, offices, and the railroads tank farm.  The track between the REA station and the JTCO Roundhouse is the former "S" line, given to the city and abandoned. TTX sits where the JTCO facilities once stood. The ACL and the SOUTHERN ran up the West side of the JTCO facility, as today the NS and the CSX run on those same tracks today. The yard where JTCO allowed passenger cars to be stored, and cleaned was called Honeymoon Yard, perhaps for the sea of sleeping cars that once stood there.



Note the COAL TOWER on the point just below the REA STATION, the tracks from the roundhouse would have ran right under it on the way out. It's gone in the newer view (TOP PHOTO) and the lead track is bare.




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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2010, 11:30:25 AM »
The A&ECT was jointly owned by the ACL and FEC (thus the Atlantic & East Coast) and operated a large freight house that filled the area between Jefferson, Forsyth, Stuart and Bay streets. There was a large concrete ramp for automobile loading on the west end between Stuart and Lee. Stuart did not go through, but an elevated stairway allowed pedestrians to cross the tracks. The building was U-shaped, with a three story office building facing Jefferson, and a multi-bayed extension on each side of four tracks in the middle. The FEC's wing was on the south facing Bay; the ACL used the north side facing Forsyth. Arched doorways allowed truck access to the street side and railroad access to the tracks. The Gateway Model Railroad Club was housed in the two westernmost bays on the Forsyth wing for several years in the mid-Seventies, after moving from our original space in the old Pullman offices on the second floor of the Jacksonville Terminal building- on the north side, adjacent to Bay Street.
There was a fire in the office end of the freighthouse several years after we moved in. I was downtown and saw the smoke, and, with my heart in my throat, drove as close as I could to see if it involved our space. After the fire, the south wing was torn down, as was the office section, and the SCL closed off the east end with a blank wall. By then the building was being used mostly for storage and damaged freight. On Friday nights when we met to work on the layout, we would open both freight doors for ventilation in warm weather, and on a few occasions a switching locomotive would stop at our door. The crew would come in to look at our trains, and we would go out and look at theirs!
We learned that the building was to be razed, and the Club moved on to the West Bay Post Office Annex.
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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2013, 09:17:31 PM »
Homer G. Lindsay and First Baptist Church are the chief culprits in the demise of Downtown. They couldn't stand to see people having adult fun...

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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2013, 10:05:53 PM »
Homer G. Lindsay and First Baptist Church are the chief culprits in the demise of Downtown. They couldn't stand to see people having adult fun...

As long as First Baptist Church is in power, there will not be any viable nightlife in this city...PEACE.

Seem to be forming a pattern here. Care to elaborate a little? I happen to enjoy Mavericks, Dos Gatos, and Marks ... if it is Big Mac's mission to ruin downtown nightlife, he is failing.
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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2013, 10:53:35 PM »
The First Baptist Church Haters are very  :( people. I hope FBC is in Downtown Jacksonville Florida till the end of times. It's a great church with a lot of good people. Too the church haters in general why don't you stop bye and listen to what the church has to say. Your Welcome even if you don't believe in God.  :)

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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2014, 04:44:06 PM »
I was trying to find some pictures of this and was able to find this one. I got it from UNF digital commons (http://digitalcommons.unf.edu/) - it was found in "City Plan for Jacksonville Florida" 1929 if you want to search for it or want a higher resolution.
It's PDF page 85.

Larger Image:
https://i.imgur.com/gGz7OXr.jpg


Here's a link to the PDF, the whole thing is pretty interesting.
http://digitalcommons.unf.edu/do/search/?q=myrtle%20avenue%20subway&start=0&context=1817986
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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2014, 05:16:26 PM »
Just FYI, this is Jacksonville's first real City Plan, by George Simons (at the behest of the Women's Club and the many empowered women of Jacksonville) that we keep referring to in our planning discussions, coredumped.  It is a wonderful document and you can see the guiding ideas that led to the development of much of Jacksonville---even to the present---both right and wrong.  Definitely worth a thorough read.

Ah thanks for the info, I hadn't seen it before (or I forgot it if I did). I've just barely skimmed it, lots of great photos in there too.
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Re: The Myrtle Avenue Subway
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2014, 05:31:49 PM »
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