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Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« on: March 09, 2009, 05:00:00 AM »
Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA



A brief photo tour of the birthplace of Dr. Seuss and basketball: Springfield, MA

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2009, 02:50:15 PM »
Interesting city. Downtown looks very compact on the map. Hopefully the views of the river while driving on the interstate are, um, worth it.

According to wikipedia, the commuter rail line is now projected to begin in 2019...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haven-Hartford-Springfield_Commuter_Rail_Line

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2009, 03:01:51 PM »
From my travels, regardless of its location, any city that was of decent size before the 1930s should have a compact core.  The older ones that don't (ex. Jacksonville, Tampa, etc.) are generally the ones, that at some point, ended up being a little too urban renewal friendly.
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2009, 05:00:52 AM »
Though Springfield is smaller (maybe), it's downtown is certainly more vibrant, compact, and "filled in" (or so it appears).  Nice clean City and if Jax hadn't consolidated, I'll bet Springfield is bigger.

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2009, 08:05:29 AM »
Interesting observation Heights.  I didn't realize how close in size preconsolidated Jacksonville and Springfield actually are. 

Springfield 2000 census

Land Area: 32.1 square miles
Population: 152,082
Density: 4,737.7/sq mi.

Pre consolidated Jacksonville 2000 census

Land Area: 30.2 square miles
Population: 112,753
Density: 3,733.5/sq. miles

Census data throughout the decades show that before WWII, Springfield was larger than Jacksonville.  Jacksonville would pass Springfield in the 1940 census.  They would remain pretty close in size until Jax's consolidation in 1968.  Population through the years:

Springfield

1900 62,059  40.5%
1910 88,926  43.3%
1920 129,614  45.8%
1930 149,900  15.7%
1940 149,554  −0.2%
1950 162,399  8.6%
1960 174,463  7.4%
1970 163,905  -6.1%

Jacksonville

1900 28,429  65.3%
1910 57,699  103.0%
1920 91,558  58.7%
1930 129,549  41.5%
1940 173,065  33.6%
1950 204,275  18.0%
1960 201,030  −1.6%
1970 528,865  163.1%

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 03:40:26 PM »
I graduated from Springfield College in 1995.  I worked at the Sheraton downtown and lived for a time in the "Italian District" in a converted factory building (loft apt.) on Park Street and then in The Hill-McKnight Historic District off of St. James Avenue, and finally just outside of Forest Park.  I used to call Springfield the city of boarded up buildings.  It was all very intriguing, and part of the continued Kennedy era.  It appears as though the city has cleaned up a bit, the downtown "mall" has some anchor stores. . .it did not 15-20 years ago.  The "Entertainment District" has a great collection of brownstowns (historic) behind it (Church Street?) and I remember the Entertainment District (new name to me) was the street where we bar hopped while in college.  Springfield was good at preserving historic structures, 20 years ago when I first moved there, Classical High School, which had closed, was converted into condos.  Historic Springfield in Jax would be equivelent to Hill-McKnight, and Forest Park equivelent to San Marco.   What they lack however is walkability. . .shops, eateries, etc.  There are phenomenally gorgeous schools in Springfield.  One thing you may have negelected in your article was mention of "Indian Motorcycles"  I believe a large (former) factory is now apartments. Thanks for the walk down memory lane Ennis, love your articles, I think you are a genius, truly.   


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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 04:03:46 PM »
Thanks.  I love visiting various cities as I travel across the US.  However, I like reading the stories from forum members who have spent time living in them just as much.
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Springfield, MA
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2009, 05:12:10 PM »
Interesting observation Heights.  I didn't realize how close in size preconsolidated Jacksonville and Springfield actually are. 

Springfield 2000 census

Land Area: 32.1 square miles
Population: 152,082
Density: 4,737.7/sq mi.

Pre consolidated Jacksonville 2000 census

Land Area: 30.2 square miles
Population: 112,753
Density: 3,733.5/sq. miles

Census data throughout the decades show that before WWII, Springfield was larger than Jacksonville.  Jacksonville would pass Springfield in the 1940 census.  They would remain pretty close in size until Jax's consolidation in 1968.  Population through the years:

Springfield

1900 62,059  40.5%
1910 88,926  43.3%
1920 129,614  45.8%
1930 149,900  15.7%
1940 149,554  −0.2%
1950 162,399  8.6%
1960 174,463  7.4%
1970 163,905  -6.1%

Jacksonville

1900 28,429  65.3%
1910 57,699  103.0%
1920 91,558  58.7%
1930 129,549  41.5%
1940 173,065  33.6%
1950 204,275  18.0%
1960 201,030  −1.6%
1970 528,865  163.1%



Your facts Lakelander are also interesting; I know this question might be for another thread, but I'll put this out to you anyway, and it does relate to the Springfield, MA equation; do you think that Jax, if it had not consolidated, would have annexed more neighborhoods, areas, etc., and if so, what areas and what do you think Jax's population would now be with the annexed areas since 1970?

In my own opinion I believe Jax would have annexed more areas making its population swell, but still would probably be below Orlando, St. Petersburg, and possibly even Fort Lauderdale in population.

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