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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2025, 03:36:02 PM »
From JBJ (https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2025/02/19/dia-approves-gateway-uf-land-swap.html).

Another conceptual sketch of what Perkins&Will/Gateway envision for the private development pad:



And details of incentives conversations:

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Moll provided the board with a maximum incentive number: $20 million.

The resolution also included that if Gateway Jax were unable to execute a redevelopment agreement with the city within 15 months of closing, the city has repurchase rights and can get the riverfront property back and pay $6.75 million for the former Interline Brands building, a reduced price from Gateway Jax’s perspective.

Seems perfectly reasonable when you consider that Related is asking for $40 million across the river (which Council approved 17-0, for the record), Southeast wanted $87 million for the Trio, and American Lions wanted nearly $30 million in incentives for their proposed tower.

What's also important to keep in mind is that the city was going to GIVE the private development pads to American Lions for $100.

Meanwhile, Gateway Jax is trading a $5 to $8 million piece of property key to UF's graduate program for it.

If you assume that the city was going to end up giving away the pad to whoever was chosen to develop it, we're really talk about max incentives closer to $12-15 million, versus $20 million, when you factor in what the city is getting back from Gateway.

But yeah, Ronnie. Let's try to hit the skids on the whole idea, despite a fair clawback and capped incentive, based on "private conversations you've had with business owners," just so the evil Hologram lady doesn't get a pat on the back.

That's great for Jacksonville. Good job.


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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2025, 03:49:26 PM »
This feels like he's exploring a Mayoral Bid in 2027.

"You know that guy who spends 80% of his time challenging Donna Deegan's Chili's receipts? Same guy who feels like his 'powers were infringed upon' because the mayor removed a Confederate statue from a public park? You know, the one who has steam coming out of his ears because the mayor has a hologram in the airport? The guy who wants to hit the pause button on the University of Florida and finishing Riverfront Plaza properly because it's not costing taxpayers enough from the general fund? You know, the guy who gutted homeless support and affordable housing from the 2025 budget?"

THAT's who I want as my mayor.

(Said no one ever).

Good luck with the current approach though.

Immaturely undermining a mayor with a 63% approval rating at the expense of the taxpayers.

Should work out well.

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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2025, 06:16:05 PM »
This feels like he's exploring a Mayoral Bid in 2027.

"You know that guy who spends 80% of his time challenging Donna Deegan's Chili's receipts? Same guy who feels like his 'powers were infringed upon' because the mayor removed a Confederate statue from a public park? You know, the one who has steam coming out of his ears because the mayor has a hologram in the airport? The guy who wants to hit the pause button on the University of Florida and finishing Riverfront Plaza properly because it's not costing taxpayers enough from the general fund? You know, the guy who gutted homeless support and affordable housing from the 2025 budget?"

THAT's who I want as my mayor.

(Said no one ever).

Good luck with the current approach though.

Immaturely undermining a mayor with a 63% approval rating at the expense of the taxpayers.

Should work out well.

But he has that all-important "R" after his name. And if he aligns with whatever way the wind is blowing from DC at the time ...

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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2025, 07:16:30 PM »
Jacksonville has proved a few times to buck the trend of national politics.

I mean in the spring of 2023 it was pretty clear the country was moving right, and we still elected Deegan.

Put it this way-I’m a (moderate) Republican and I voted for Deegan.

Think about it this way: 40% of any electorate will vote for the R no matter what. Another 40% will vote for the D no matter what. It’s the middle 20% that decide the election.

Her 4 year track record will determine her fate.

(And now we probably should get back on topic as I have zero desire to wade into the septic tank that is National politics.)


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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2025, 07:17:32 PM »
This feels like he's exploring a Mayoral Bid in 2027.

"You know that guy who spends 80% of his time challenging Donna Deegan's Chili's receipts? Same guy who feels like his 'powers were infringed upon' because the mayor removed a Confederate statue from a public park? You know, the one who has steam coming out of his ears because the mayor has a hologram in the airport? The guy who wants to hit the pause button on the University of Florida and finishing Riverfront Plaza properly because it's not costing taxpayers enough from the general fund? You know, the guy who gutted homeless support and affordable housing from the 2025 budget?"

THAT's who I want as my mayor.

(Said no one ever).

Good luck with the current approach though.

Immaturely undermining a mayor with a 63% approval rating at the expense of the taxpayers.

Should work out well.

But he has that all-important "R" after his name. And if he aligns with whatever way the wind is blowing from DC at the time ...

I think I mentioned this a couple of weeks back, but we saw how well the dirty approach worked for Daniel Davis, who was a near lock for Lenny’s successor before building a platform solely on attacking his opponent.

Way too early prediction: Donna wins by a landslide for term two.

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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2025, 07:34:25 PM »
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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2025, 08:45:59 PM »
Donna is doing an excellent job concerning energizing downtown and urban Jax in general. I was very skeptical of her at first, but now I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm willing to overlook a couple of political controversies that she had; I'm not gonna throw the baby out with the bath water. One thing that I give credit with many people on the left (including here on this website), they know about urban planning matters.

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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2025, 07:39:32 PM »
The latest on this.

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City Council member Ron Salem challenges Mayor Deegan on how to get building for UF campus
David Bauerlein
Jacksonville Florida Times-Union
Feb. 28, 2025

Mayor Donna Deegan and City Council member Ron Salem are headed toward a showdown on how the city will acquire an office building that will kick-start the University of Florida graduate campus in downtown.

Deegan and Salem both support the UF campus but have staked out sharply different ways for how the city would acquire the building, currently owned by the Gateway Jax development team, so UF can begin class at it in August.

Deegan supports a land swap where the city would get the office building at 801 W. Bay St. and Gateway Jax would get a 1-acre parcel for development at Riverfront Plaza. Salem wants City Council to instead reach an agreement with Gateway Jax on a purchase price the city would pay in cash.



DIA says land swap follows what council members are saying

Downtown Investment Authority CEO Lori Boyer said that as she heard those concerns from council members, it guided her when she worked with Gateway Jax on a way for the city to acquire the office building without paying cash.

"We have a lot of (city-owned) land and we were trying to make use of it and effectively redevelop downtown," she told the board.

[DIA board member Micah] Heavener noted a Special Committee on the Future of Downtown, which Salem formed last year when he was council president, criticized the pace of revitalization in the urban core of downtown.

Heavener said the ongoing construction of a public park at Riverfront Plaza, the development of the one-acre parcel in one corner of the plaza, and the redevelopment of the Laura Street Trio a couple of blocks away all could serve as catalysts for the urban core.

Board member Jill Caffey said she agrees the "momentum is now" and said Gateway's plan fits with the design for Riverfront Plaza. Gateway Jax has committed to building a tower that resembles what the public saw when the city selected a design by Perkins&Will in 2021 for Riverfront Plaza.

"I think it's potentially a missed opportunity if we kick the can down the road," she said.


Read more: https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/2025/02/28/mayor-deegan-and-council-member-salem-split-on-getting-building-for-uf/80286918007/
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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2025, 09:08:51 PM »
Credit where it’s fully due after lots of criticism over the last few years - Lori Boyer is dead right about this one, and the land swap was a masterful proposal to kill multiple birds with one stone and propel several key projects forward at zero dollars in taxpayer expense. Never too proud to admit that the DIA is cooking since Donna took over, and when a half dozen stalled projects from parks to two-waying of streets to facade grants suddenly kick to life with a new administration, that probably does speak to some kneecapping that was going on behind the scenes and outside of public view with the last administration.

Can only speak for myself, but really happy with the work the DIA is doing lately. Negotiated a hell of a deal with Gateway Jax, pushing for smart restaurant activations at Riverfront Plaza and Friendships Park, swiftly facilitating some very complex dispositions with UF, and helping push a lot of smart infrastructure projects forward. Still a lot of work to be done in terms of office occupancy rates, small business attrition, and figuring out a smarter, more strategic plan for JWJP and the blocks immediately surrounding it, but I really am a fan of this post-Curry DIA. Doing a lot without a lot of resources.  I think a lot of people are taking notice.


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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2025, 12:17:06 AM »
Just reeks of desperation.

Guy is just so badly misreading the room lately.

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Jacksonville City Council Member Ron Salem will hold a meeting on Tuesday at City Hall to discuss a possible effort he’s referring to as “Duval DOGE.”

The meeting will come as DOGE’s efforts at the federal and state levels to eliminate “unnecessary” spending to ensure government efficiency are already underway.https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2025/03/06/is-doge-coming-to-jacksonville-council-member-will-hold-meeting-to-discuss-local-efforts/


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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2025, 01:03:35 AM »
Just reeks of desperation.

Guy is just so badly misreading the room lately.

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Jacksonville City Council Member Ron Salem will hold a meeting on Tuesday at City Hall to discuss a possible effort he’s referring to as “Duval DOGE.”

The meeting will come as DOGE’s efforts at the federal and state levels to eliminate “unnecessary” spending to ensure government efficiency are already underway.https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2025/03/06/is-doge-coming-to-jacksonville-council-member-will-hold-meeting-to-discuss-local-efforts/

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“We are looking at some very difficult budgets going forward,” Salem said. “We’re looking at deficits anywhere from $70-$100 million dollars over the next two, three years. And I think it’s time that we put forth an effort to try to tighten our belts and try to save some money.”

Instead of cutting City services that are many times underfunded already, how about a small increase in the lower end property tax millage rate, redirecting the gas tax from U2C to road paving, undoing the Curry pension fund sales tax fiasco, supporting the garbage fee increase after 10 to 15 years of no change, etc.  Do you think you can cut enough expenses to pay for a new jail, new JSO HQ's, the stadium, a new convention center, septic tank conversions, paying off the garbage fee deficit, fully funding pensions, properly funding City parks, increasing JSO funding, etc.?  Revenue enhancement is just as critical as expense management to balance a budget.

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Salem also said his recommendation for the effort is to leave out what many consider to be core government, including police, fire, and garbage collection.

Well, he just took about 50% or more of City expenses off the table (If Federal DOGE doesn't touch Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and other contractually "locked in" expenses, 70% of the Federal budget will be off the table too).  Don't want to lose the fire and police union support at election time, huh?  How about cutting back incentives to developers including monies for Khan's projects?  No?  I didn't think so.  Is that also off the table?  Don't want to lose those supporters either?  Is his City Council salary eligible for such a review?

So, what does he want to look at?  Our underfunded parks and recreation?  Our underfunded public works?  Septic tank conversions to sewers?  Capital and maintenance expenditures?  Are we going after the 1% and less expenditures like Musk, making a big deal of cutting them out, and in the end, not impacting the total budget one nit?  Let's start with the District Council members individual slush funds and their donations to "nonprofits" that their colleagues and friends work for.  Ready for that review?

Don't we have a City auditor?  Isn't this their job?  Where was this suggestion when fellow Republican Curry was mayor?

I am all for efficiencies but let's not politicize it and selectively enforce it.  Don't indiscriminately cut meat and bone, not just fat, like Musk is doing and, in the end, reducing efficiencies, not enhancing them.  And why would you exempt 50%+ of the budget from review?  You don't think you could find some "inefficiencies" at JSO and JFRD?  They are that much better than other City departments?

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“Well, depending on the extent of the deficits we have, there might be some belt-tightening that could include people,” Salem responded. “When you’ve got deficits like that, it’s hard not to make that kind of balance the budget, as we have to do in Jacksonville. We have a balanced budget, sometimes without involving people. They may be vacant positions that aren’t filled or various ways that you can cut positions without necessarily cutting people.”

Reducing positions is cutting people (i.e. people available to deliver City services, not necessarily just people let go), no matter how you slice it.  I bet most of the City budget is for salaries so you can be sure he is after cutting people in the end.  See Federal DOGE.

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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2025, 02:26:48 AM »
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“We are looking at some very difficult budgets going forward,” Salem said. “We’re looking at deficits anywhere from $70-$100 million dollars over the next two, three years. And I think it’s time that we put forth an effort to try to tighten our belts and try to save some money.”

Instead of cutting City services that are many times underfunded already, how about a small increase in the lower end property tax millage rate, redirecting the gas tax from U2C to road paving, undoing the Curry pension fund sales tax fiasco, supporting the garbage fee increase after 10 to 15 years of no change, etc.  Do you think you can cut enough expenses to pay for a new jail, new JSO HQ's, the stadium, a new convention center, septic tank conversions, paying off the garbage fee deficit, fully funding pensions, properly funding City parks, increasing JSO funding, etc.?  Revenue enhancement is just as critical as expense management to balance a budget.

If we're being serious about "government efficiency," it makes little sense to put a quarter billion dollars towards repaving roads that will need to be repaved again, while at the same time approving thousands of lane miles of new suburban roads that will also need to be repaved again. Use that U2C money on transportation alternatives that will move more people and help them keep a little more money in their pockets given the impact of tariffs on gas prices. To a similar point, we are hopefully not approving any new developments with septic tanks when we know them to be an expensive liability for conversion down the line.

It's not clear to me what exactly makes the pension fund tax an issue once BJP runs out, since we'll have to pay down that pension debt one way or another and future police & fire are at least going into FRS instead of the city plan. I thought the garbage fee and stadium were a done deal? We've at least committed to the latter.

JSO seems to at least have taken over the Florida Blue tower in Brooklyn instead of seeking a new facility outright, which is a relief. I remember reading a year or two ago that Clay County is also considering a new jail, perhaps teaming up with them would save some money. This forum has hammered on enough about the silly idea of building a whole new convention complex instead of adding to the Hyatt (especially silly with how many times Ford on Bay has fallen through already). After that, we're essentially asking about where we want to prioritize. We recently made some big commitments to police & fire with the new pension plans and some salary increases, I would hope between that and the JSO move their needs are largely met for at least a few years while some of the other challenges are addressed.

But of course, none of that is as fun as waving a chainsaw around.

To get back on topic, the land swap seems like a reasonably efficient idea provided that Gateway isn't being spread too thin. They'd still need to get that tower financed which may also involve incentives, on top of the city funding to build Phase 2 of the park. Granted, that doesn't change the need to get UF their building or that odds are anyone who builds on that plaza site is going to ask for those things anyway.
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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2025, 02:58:50 PM »
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The city is considering a second land swap for property for the proposed University of Florida graduate center campus in LaVilla, this time for a parcel owned by multifamily developer Vestcor.

City chief communications officer Phil Perry said the city was exploring a land swap among other options for acquiring a 2.04-acre lot along West Bay Street near Interstate 95.

Perry provided a city-ordered appraisal of the property listing its value at $2.58 million. The appraisal was conducted by the Colliers commercial real estate company.

The lot is directly north of the parking lot of the Prime F. Osborn III Convention Center.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2025/mar/20/city-considering-land-swap-for-vestcor-owned-property-for-uf-campus

The City is going to screw this up yet. UF wants the Interline building so they can start classes quickly - targeting this Fall Term. The Vestcor parcel is a vacant lot. I wonder who initiated this request. Someone on City Council? With an "R" after their name?

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« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2025, 05:14:28 PM »
Probably the Sax parcel. That's what they wanted years ago. But that's a horrible location for Vestcor's type of product.
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Re: COJ and UF take first major step towards LaVilla campus
« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2025, 07:28:10 AM »
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Appraised value of property city wants to give UF for graduate campus tops $30 million

Land that the city of Jacksonville plans to provide for the University of Florida graduate campus in LaVilla has a total appraised value of more than $30 million, according a Downtown Investment Authority presentation about the campus project April 24 at City Hall.

The city plans to initially deliver five properties for the campus, including the Interline Brands Inc. building at 801 W. Bay St., which it wants to acquire via a land swap. The four properties are city-owned: two sites directly north and northeast of the historic Jacksonville Terminal train station, the station itself and the attached newer portion of the Prime F. Osborn III Convention Center.

Later, the city hopes to acquire a sixth property, a site owned by multifamily developer Vestcor immediately north of the Convention Center parking lot.

DIA CEO Lori Boyer presented a slide breaking down the appraised values as follows:

• Interline Brands: $5.35 million to $6.75 million.

• Site A, the designation that the DIA has given to the parcel immediately north of the train station: $3.25 million.

• Site B, which is located across Lee Street from Site A: $1.84 million.

• Jacksonville Terminal: $1.68 million.

• Convention Center: $15.52 million.

• Vestcor lot: $2.58 million.

As with the Vestcor property, the city would need to acquire the Interline Brands Inc. building, which is owned by the Gateway Jax development partnership.

With the Vestcor lot included, the total appraised value of the city’s contributions to the campus would range from $30.22 million to $31.62 million.

The five initial properties total 23.24 acres. With the Vescor lot, the total rises to 25.28 acres.

In addition, City Council has approved $50 million in funding for the project and Mayor Donna Deegan has pledged another $50 million.

Full article: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2025/apr/24/appraised-value-of-property-city-wants-to-give-uf-for-graduate-campus-tops-30-million/
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