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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2025, 08:50:46 PM »
Still surprised that you are shocked by the above... it was all very predictable. You seem to be letting democrats off the hook... from Bidens terrible immigration policies, democrats social engineering policies, abandonment of the middle class, deficit spending and manyothers... all of these issues created Trump and MAGA. The misread of the American public anger and the MAGA response was epic...

As I said before, Dems are not saints.  No one is in today's world.

That said, many of the issues you highlight have been greatly exaggerated by Trump & Co.  Not saying there aren't underlying issues but not necessarily anywhere to the hyperbolic degree Trump would have people believe.

To add, at this point, Trump is far more guilty at social engineering, abandonment of the middle class, deficit spending, inflation, wrecking the economy and America's standing in the world and "many others" compared to anything Biden or any other Democratic president could ever be accused of.

The destruction of USAID will also, in the long term, drive many more people to try and immigrate to the U.S. as their native societies regress.  USAID, by creating incentives for people to live in their native countries, should have been Trump's #1 way to stem illegal immigration.  Now, it will be the opposite.

Russia and China have to be licking their chops at Trump's dismantling of American "greatness" - just the opposite of MAGA.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2025, 12:35:40 AM »
Trump continues to escalate his danger to democracy by demonizing and threatening his opponents, judges, lawyers, critics, the media, etc.  His speech today at the Dept. of Justice demonstrates just how dangerous he is.  How anyone can defend Trump and not see parallels to the path Hitler took toward dictatorship is becoming hard to understand.

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Trump calls his opponents ‘scum’ and lawbreakers in bellicose speech at Justice Department

President Donald Trump on Friday walked into the Department of Justice and labeled his courtroom opponents “scum,” judges “corrupt” and the prosecutors who investigated him “deranged.”

With the DOJ logo directly behind him, Trump called his political opponents lawbreakers and said others should be sent to prison.

....In remarks that were by turns dark, exultant and pugnacious, Trump vowed to remake the Justice Department and retaliate against his enemies, some of whom he called “thugs.”

It was, even by Trump’s standards, a stunning show of disregard for decades of tradition observed by his predecessors, who worried about politicizing or appearing to exert too much control over the nation’s most powerful law enforcement agency. Trump, instead, called himself the “chief law enforcement officer in our country” and accused the DOJ’s prior leadership of doing “everything within their power to prevent” him from becoming the president....

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/14/trump-doj-speech-prison-opponents-00231438

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #92 on: March 25, 2025, 06:30:19 AM »
Lol... a completely predictable clown show. As a former professional military man... I  am embarrassed for these morons...

Here's the Atlantic article...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/ar-AA1ByMHr
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« Reply #93 on: March 25, 2025, 09:56:32 AM »
Wow!!!! Pretty crazy story. I'm not a political guy but this seems a lot worse than the Hillary Clinton email thing years ago. That was all over the news then.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #94 on: March 25, 2025, 11:00:08 AM »
Wow!!!! Pretty crazy story. I'm not a political guy but this seems a lot worse than the Hillary Clinton email thing years ago. That was all over the news then.

It may or may not be but... these are the very clowns who were vociferously calling for Clinton to be prosecuted for using her personal home email server for classified communications. (BTW... I happen to agree)  What it shows over the past years is the lackadaisical attitude towards classified information amongst the very people who have access to the most sensitive stuff in the world. If rank and file military folks were that careless they would be in the brig...

It was completely unacceptable for Clinton, Biden, Trump, and this gaggle of bozos to treat this stuff as they obviously do...
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2025, 12:49:11 AM »
With no apologies to Trump apologists...

Trump's seeking unfathomable vengeance against every person, institution, organization, government entity, judge, lawyer/law firm, media outlet, company, nonprofit, university, immigrant, foreign government officials, etc. that disagreed with him or failed to provide unfettered loyalty to him is a clear threat to our constitutional right to free speech and to speak in opposition without penalty. 

His thumbing at judges orders, the rule of law and due process is further evidence of movement toward dictatorial power.  That the GOP and select judges are not standing in his way is undermining the checks and balances our founding fathers counted on to sustain our democracy and all such persons should be shamed and more for enabling him.

Living in fear of our country's future is now legitimatized.  The irreparable damage to our country's democracy, credibility, reputation and standing in the world will take our lifetimes and much more to restore, if ever again.  How anyone could support him and his administration at this point is a true wonderment.  No one is immune from the danger he brings to all of us.

Just another dangerous log on the fire:

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'Homegrowns are next': Trump hopes to deport and jail U.S. citizens abroad

President Trump says his administration is actively exploring a proposal to detain U.S. citizens and send them to prisons in El Salvador....

....El Salvador is already holding hundreds of people in a maximum-security prison. They were flown from the U.S. in recent weeks after being detained for allegedly lacking legal status or having gang affiliations.

Critics say many of those individuals were deported with limited or no due process, some in defiance of court orders by U.S. judges....

...The proposal has drawn condemnation from some legal scholars, who said it would represent an unprecedented encroachment on the civil liberties of U.S. citizens.

"It's obviously unconstitutional, obviously illegal. There's no authority in any U.S. law to deport U.S. citizens and certainly not to imprison them in a foreign country," said David Bier of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Washington, D.C.

"The problem of course is [Trump] already has illegally deported hundreds of people by just not giving the courts an opportunity to stop him," Bier added. "I think that's the real fear, now that he is going to try to evade judicial review of deportations of U.S. citizens."...

...But numerous legal scholars contacted by NPR described the policy idea as crossing a bright line in the U.S. government's treatment of American citizens....

...Some judges and legal scholars are clearly concerned that the Trump administration could move forward with the proposal despite legal and constitutional barriers.

In a statement released last week, Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor said the Trump administration's legal arguments around deportation cases suggest the U.S. government already believes it "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene."

Speaking last week with NPR, Laurence Tribe, a Harvard University professor emeritus of constitutional law, offered a similar warning:

"What that means is that literally any of us, whether we are from Venezuela or were born in the United States, whether we are immigrants or not, whether we are citizens or not, any of us is vulnerable to basically being kidnapped by masked agents of the United States government who don't tell us why they're picking us up, perhaps never to be seen again because we're located somewhere in a dungeon, a prison cell, rotting away, whether it's in El Salvador or anywhere else in the world," Tribe said...

...But some legal experts interviewed for this story said deporting Americans to serve prison time in foreign countries would cross an alarming new line, effectively stripping U.S. citizens of constitutional and legal protections...

...Bier, of the Cato Institute, said he has been "shocked" by the lack of pushback against Trump's proposal from Republican leaders and members of the conservative legal movement.

"It's unthinkable. It's absolutely a reflection of where Donald Trump has taken the Republican Party and the conservative movement," he said.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

And another...

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Former cybersecurity agency chief Chris Krebs leaves SentinelOne after Trump targets him in executive order

A week ago, President Donald Trump signed an executive order targeting former Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Chief Chris Krebs, and calling on the government to suspend the security clearances of any entities with whom he’s associated. The order specifically named SentinelOne
, Krebs’ employer.

On Wednesday, Krebs announced his resignation from SentinelOne, a cybersecurity company with a $5.6 billion market cap. While Krebs said the choice was his alone, his swift departure is the latest example of the effect Trump is having on the private sector when it comes to pressuring people and institutions that he personally dislikes...

....Krebs served as the first CISA director from 2018 until he was fired in November 2020 after declaring that the presidential election, which Democrat Joe Biden won, was “the most secure in American history.” CISA is part of the Department of Homeland Security.

In his executive order on April 9, which took the extraordinary approach of going after a specific individual, Trump called Krebs a “bad-faith actor who weaponized and abused his Government authority.”

“Krebs’ misconduct involved the censorship of disfavored speech implicating the 2020 election and COVID-19 pandemic,” the order said. “Krebs, through CISA, falsely and baselessly denied that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen, including by inappropriately and categorically dismissing widespread election malfeasance and serious vulnerabilities with voting machines.”

Trump directed the attorney general, director of national intelligence and “all other relevant agencies” to suspend “any active security clearances held by individuals at entities associated with Krebs, including SentinelOne, pending a review of whether such clearances are consistent with the national interest.”...

...The demands on SentinelOne resemble campaigns that President Trump has waged against law firms and universities that he’s tried to strongarm into making significant changes in how they operate or else lose government contracts or funding....

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/16/former-cisa-chief-krebs-leaves-sentinelone-after-trump-exec-order.html

Echoes of Nazi Germany:

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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


—Martin Niemöller

This quote is attributed to the prominent German pastor Martin Niemöller. It is sometimes mistakenly referred to as a poem.

After World War II, Niemöller openly spoke about his own early complicity in Nazism and his eventual change of heart. His powerful words about guilt and responsibility still resonate today.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2025, 09:15:48 AM »
^This man gets it.

Openly defying judges, defunding dissenting universities, cutting the United States off from its allies and neighbors, openly discriminating against racial and sexual minorities, attempting to erase our civil rights history, nabbing students with dissenting political views off the streets, intentionally destabilizing the economy, planning a third term, and extrajudicially erasing people forever to third-world gulags.

We are on a very, very dark path now.

It's a very cliche statement that's been around forever, because it's true: Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The judges and Congress members who are too meek to stand up to what's going on today will eventually find themselves at CECOT at this rate.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #97 on: April 22, 2025, 01:30:34 AM »
Wow!!!! Pretty crazy story. I'm not a political guy but this seems a lot worse than the Hillary Clinton email thing years ago. That was all over the news then.

It may or may not be but... these are the very clowns who were vociferously calling for Clinton to be prosecuted for using her personal home email server for classified communications. (BTW... I happen to agree)  What it shows over the past years is the lackadaisical attitude towards classified information amongst the very people who have access to the most sensitive stuff in the world. If rank and file military folks were that careless they would be in the brig...

It was completely unacceptable for Clinton, Biden, Trump, and this gaggle of bozos to treat this stuff as they obviously do...
The mental acrobatics Trumptards perform in order to implicate Clinton and Biden in the Never-ending sh!tshow that is the current Administration while absolving Trump never ceases to amaze me. Obviously critical thinking skills are non-existent among them but some are giving North Korean illiterate peseant vibes. As a Navy Vet I've never been sooo ashamed of my country and we're in serious trouble! I'm sure spies from all over the world have descended on the capital to feast on the abundance.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #98 on: April 22, 2025, 07:31:08 AM »
Wow!!!! Pretty crazy story. I'm not a political guy but this seems a lot worse than the Hillary Clinton email thing years ago. That was all over the news then.

It may or may not be but... these are the very clowns who were vociferously calling for Clinton to be prosecuted for using her personal home email server for classified communications. (BTW... I happen to agree)  What it shows over the past years is the lackadaisical attitude towards classified information amongst the very people who have access to the most sensitive stuff in the world. If rank and file military folks were that careless they would be in the brig...

It was completely unacceptable for Clinton, Biden, Trump, and this gaggle of bozos to treat this stuff as they obviously do...
The mental acrobatics Trumptards perform in order to implicate Clinton and Biden in the Never-ending sh!tshow that is the current Administration while absolving Trump never ceases to amaze me. Obviously critical thinking skills are non-existent among them but some are giving North Korean illiterate peseant vibes. As a Navy Vet I've never been sooo ashamed of my country and we're in serious trouble! I'm sure spies from all over the world have descended on the capital to feast on the abundance.

"Mental acrobatics " implies some level of mental prowess... it looks to me like Mental delusion. The President's cabinet is a junk drawer of mental midgets and incompetence... God help us...
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« Reply #99 on: April 22, 2025, 01:30:59 PM »
LOL that's the part I don't understand...there is more effort being put into defending Trump's foolishnes than actually running the most powerful country on earth.

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« Reply #100 on: April 22, 2025, 02:28:10 PM »
The concerned chorus grows daily...
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Hundreds of scholars say U.S. is swiftly heading toward authoritarianism

WASHINGTON — A survey of more than 500 political scientists finds that the vast majority think the United States is moving swiftly from liberal democracy toward some form of authoritarianism.

In the benchmark survey, known as Bright Line Watch, U.S.-based professors rate the performance of American democracy on a scale from zero (complete dictatorship) to 100 (perfect democracy). After President Trump's election in November, scholars gave American democracy a rating of 67. Several weeks into Trump's second term, that figure plummeted to 55.

"That's a precipitous drop," says John Carey, a professor of government at Dartmouth and co-director of Bright Line Watch. "There's certainly consensus: We're moving in the wrong direction."

...In a competitive authoritarian system, a leader comes to power democratically and then erodes the system of checks and balances. Typically, the executive fills the civil service and key appointments — including the prosecutor's office and judiciary — with loyalists. He or she then attacks the media, universities and nongovernmental organizations to blunt public criticism and tilt the electoral playing field in the ruling party's favor....

....Another way to measure authoritarianism, according to Levitsky, is whether publicly opposing the government comes with a cost. He says — under Trump — it does. For instance, Trump has issued executive orders barring lawyers with firms he doesn't like from entering government buildings and representing government contractors.

Fear of government retribution is now spreading through society. A scholar who spoke to NPR for this story later asked not to be quoted, saying he feared the Trump administration might try to punish him by slashing research grants he's working on. In a recent NPR series on free speech, many people did not want to be identified by name....

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5340753/trump-democracy-authoritarianism-competive-survey-political-scientist

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« Reply #101 on: April 22, 2025, 05:52:15 PM »
LOL that's the part I don't understand...there is more effort being put into defending Trump's foolishnes than actually running the most powerful country on earth.

Because... it's about loyalty and ring kissing. You MUST be loyal... above all else... and you MUST kiss the ring. All else is secondary. Including the rule of law and the Constitution... we see it virtually every day yet still shake our collective heads in disbelief...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."