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Joey Mackey

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #135 on: June 18, 2024, 04:16:48 PM »
^It looks like Council President-Elect Randy White is going to introduce an amendment on Thursday, reducing the CBA to just 56 million for riverfront parks, unclear what the Jags obligations will be. I anticipate that amendment to pass 18-1. (Peluso voting against it).

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #136 on: June 18, 2024, 04:43:37 PM »
Not even the Carluccis will oppose?

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« Reply #137 on: June 18, 2024, 04:45:08 PM »
So, I think that means it will be taken up as separate legislation. It's not that people like the Carluccis will not vote for it, just that it's split out from the rest.

I think the chance the rest of the Jags agreement with the $56M passes unanimously.

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« Reply #138 on: June 18, 2024, 05:01:29 PM »
News reports say that one of the reasons for splitting the CBA from the stadium package is there are multiple Council members who (may) have conflicts of interest. Has there been a listing of the potential conflicts and who has them?

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« Reply #139 on: June 18, 2024, 05:09:33 PM »
I think the CBA ultimately passes. Too much momentum and support for council to screw it up.
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« Reply #140 on: June 18, 2024, 05:31:16 PM »
News reports say that one of the reasons for splitting the CBA from the stadium package is there are multiple Council members who (may) have conflicts of interest. Has there been a listing of the potential conflicts and who has them?

Hypothetically, Pittman and Carrico, as they work for orgs which may or may not eventually apply/be awarded funds from this source.

 
I think the CBA ultimately passes. Too much momentum and support for council to screw it up.

I agree the bulk of it will pass, but parts could be thinned a bit, get strings attached, etc.

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2024, 05:41:16 PM »
Not even the Carluccis will oppose?

Matt Carlucci has spoken favorably about White's proposed amendment, though he might still vote for the CBA without the amendment. https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2024/jun/17/support-for-community-benefits-agreement-dominates-public-hearing-on-jaguars-stadium-deal/ Joe Carlucci was even more hesitant to pass the CBA, "as is," without amendments at last week's committee of whole council meeting.

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

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« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2024, 05:41:44 PM »
For clarification, nothing is being cancelled. The CBA, except the downtown parks money, would just being split into a separate bill. The reason is this conflict issue. It’s fairly common to spin out portions of bills so council members with conflicts can still vote on the bigger package where they have no conflict. The nature of this conflict issue I’m sure will be debated, but in the interest of not slowing down the stadium piece, we’ve agreed to support White’s amendment.

So bill 904 will be stadium in toto, $56 million from the city for parks, and $25 million from the Jags for park maintenance over 30 years. The rest of the city and Jags CBA money will be in a separate bill being filed ASAP and debated after Council gets back from break in late July. We are optimistic but it’s definitely good for the citizens who want to see these projects to speak up.
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #143 on: June 18, 2024, 05:56:11 PM »
Tacachale, does the separation of the CBA impact the timing of the Jags to take the stadium renovation deal to the NFL? Will the Jags have to wait until the second part of the CBA is either voted up or down? I am assuming that is probably no and they will go the NFL with what is passed (hopefully) next week.

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« Reply #144 on: June 18, 2024, 06:14:33 PM »
Question for you Bill:

What happened to the $100 million that was set aside a couple of years back by Lenny Curry for parks & pools?

Had it been spent on other things by the time he left office, or is it still hanging around in a park fund somewhere?


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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #145 on: June 18, 2024, 06:27:00 PM »
Tacachale, does the separation of the CBA impact the timing of the Jags to take the stadium renovation deal to the NFL? Will the Jags have to wait until the second part of the CBA is either voted up or down? I am assuming that is probably no and they will go the NFL with what is passed (hopefully) next week.

It won’t affect that, as the stadium funding and lease agreement will be covered in bill 904 which is scheduled to be voted on Tuesday.

Question for you Bill:

What happened to the $100 million that was set aside a couple of years back by Lenny Curry for parks & pools?

Had it been spent on other things by the time he left office, or is it still hanging around in a park fund somewhere?



Don’t quote me on this, but I believe all of that was spent or allocated by FY2022-23. So a lot of it is going to the work and design you see at Riverfront Plaza, Shipyards, etc. plus stuff that’s now done. This proposed $56 is what it’ll take to finish those downtown parks as of now, while the Jags money goes to annual maintenance.
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #146 on: June 18, 2024, 08:33:44 PM »
Bill, thanks for the clarification.

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« Reply #147 on: June 19, 2024, 11:44:10 AM »
Don’t quote me on this, but I believe all of that was spent or allocated by FY2022-23. So a lot of it is going to the work and design you see at Riverfront Plaza, Shipyards, etc. plus stuff that’s now done. This proposed $56 is what it’ll take to finish those downtown parks as of now, while the Jags money goes to annual maintenance.

Thanks Bill!

Appreciate the context!

Would love to see this all voted on together, but the park's piece is super encouraging when you think about it logically. In exchange for the city committing $56 million to finish riverfront parks that we were already going to finish regardless, the Jags are agreeing to kick in essentially $1 million a year for maintenance of the parks ($25 million here, plus the $4 million they've already committed to Metro Park). Feels like essentially free money on top of the $100 million CBA originally discussed. Good job to the Mayor here. Now let's push the rest of the CBA through without politicking it all to hell.

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« Reply #148 on: June 20, 2024, 12:12:21 PM »
According to Jake Stofan from Action News, a weird compromise is emerging over the Community Benefits Agreement:

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Incoming Council President Randy White says he’ll offer an amendment to keep $56 million in the stadium deal community benefits agreement in tact and take up the remaining $94 million city share for homelessness, affordable housing and workforce development during budget season.

White indicated he’s hopeful the Jaguars will kick in $25 million for the parks piece.

White says the remainder of the CBA funds will be handled by a special committee he plans to establish after taking over as Council President on July 1st.

The compromise plan will be introduced Thursday according to Council President Ron Salem.

According to the mayor’s Chief of Staff, the deal was struck in order to avoid council members from having to abstain from voting on the overall deal, due to potential conflicts of interest that could arise with the parts of the CBA that will be pulled out.

The parks projects covered by the $56 million that will remain in the overall stadium deal include the renovation of the Covered Flex Field, completing improvements to the Shipyards West Park and the redevelopment of River Front and Metro Parks.

City Council agreed to this deal today. 10 Yeas, 2 Nays, 7 Abstentions/Absences.
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« Reply #149 on: June 20, 2024, 01:46:11 PM »
According to Jake Stofan from Action News, a weird compromise is emerging over the Community Benefits Agreement:

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Incoming Council President Randy White says he’ll offer an amendment to keep $56 million in the stadium deal community benefits agreement in tact and take up the remaining $94 million city share for homelessness, affordable housing and workforce development during budget season.

White indicated he’s hopeful the Jaguars will kick in $25 million for the parks piece.

White says the remainder of the CBA funds will be handled by a special committee he plans to establish after taking over as Council President on July 1st.

The compromise plan will be introduced Thursday according to Council President Ron Salem.

According to the mayor’s Chief of Staff, the deal was struck in order to avoid council members from having to abstain from voting on the overall deal, due to potential conflicts of interest that could arise with the parts of the CBA that will be pulled out.

The parks projects covered by the $56 million that will remain in the overall stadium deal include the renovation of the Covered Flex Field, completing improvements to the Shipyards West Park and the redevelopment of River Front and Metro Parks.

City Council agreed to this deal today. 10 Yeas, 2 Nays, 7 Abstentions/Absences.

Only key difference is that it sounds the Jags won't be kicking in $25 million for the parks piece, which seemed a little off from the start.

They'll instead be kicking in roughly $18.7 million, which is more in line with what they originally floated ($1 for every $3 the city kicked in).