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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2024, 05:30:28 PM »
The Eastside CBA community meeting is today at 6pm at the First Baptist Church of Oakland.

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Hello all,

We are confirmed for a community meeting regarding the CBA tomorrow (Thursday, June 13) at 6:00 pm. Many thanks to The Oak for hosting the meeting.

Please invite your friends and neighbors from the Eastside to join. Dinner will be provided.

The Oak is located at:

1025 Jessie St.
Jacksonville FL, 32206

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #121 on: June 13, 2024, 06:48:04 PM »
At the Eastside meeting now. They have a new website:

https://outeastjax.com/cba/
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2024, 07:13:26 PM »
The Business Journal is lowering expectations about the Stadium of the Future. The headline is
EverBank Stadium renderings are an ideal; reality could be different
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2024/06/13/renderings-vs-reality.html

Some key points from the article
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As City Council will examine the $1.4 billion deal for the Jacksonville Jaguars EverBank Stadium renovation, members of the public have expressed concern over whether the final stadium will resemble the futuristic, multidimensional stadium depicted in the renderings.

This concern comes after disappointment with Daily’s Place, the 5,500-seat amphitheater developed by the Jaguars, and its finished product compared to the renderings presented in concept.

But renderings are just that, a concept, an ideal, the best-case scenario, Kasper Architects CEO Erik Kasper said. Jacksonville-based Kasper Architects is not involved with the stadium design.

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A rendering sells an idea, Kasper said.

When it comes to the Stadium of the Future, city chief negotiator Mike Weinstein told the Business Journal one of the agreements is the project program statement, which is 45-50 pages of what the city is buying to ensure it pays for what it’s getting.

“This will be very much like the drawings originally, but more importantly, the guts of it will be exactly what's in that agreement,” Weinstein said. “If anything has changed, we have to change it jointly.”

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2024, 09:28:21 PM »
The Business Journal is lowering expectations about the Stadium of the Future. The headline is
EverBank Stadium renderings are an ideal; reality could be different
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2024/06/13/renderings-vs-reality.html

Some key points from the article
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As City Council will examine the $1.4 billion deal for the Jacksonville Jaguars EverBank Stadium renovation, members of the public have expressed concern over whether the final stadium will resemble the futuristic, multidimensional stadium depicted in the renderings.

This concern comes after disappointment with Daily’s Place, the 5,500-seat amphitheater developed by the Jaguars, and its finished product compared to the renderings presented in concept.

But renderings are just that, a concept, an ideal, the best-case scenario, Kasper Architects CEO Erik Kasper said. Jacksonville-based Kasper Architects is not involved with the stadium design.

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A rendering sells an idea, Kasper said.

When it comes to the Stadium of the Future, city chief negotiator Mike Weinstein told the Business Journal one of the agreements is the project program statement, which is 45-50 pages of what the city is buying to ensure it pays for what it’s getting.

“This will be very much like the drawings originally, but more importantly, the guts of it will be exactly what's in that agreement,” Weinstein said. “If anything has changed, we have to change it jointly.”

Seems like kind of a goofy, bad faith article. The Jags heard the Daily’s Place complaints loud and clear. In the City Council meeting where the deal was formally introduced, Mark Lamping was clear that what was in the final renderings (slightly different than the former 2023 renderings errantly, or disingenuously used, in the above article) were a direct reflection of what would actually be built. Kasper has nothing to do with the project, and as Weinstein clearly states, any deviations from the proposed design will have to be signed off on by the city. Seems like someone just trying to stir up shit against the stadium deal.

Also, I remain absolutely baffled that Jacksonville may be the first major city to negotiate a CBA out of their stadium package. It will be an absolute travesty if we manage to approve the stadium without simultaneously approving the main aspect of the deal that the public most strongly supports. Guarantee that if this thing gets spun off separately, it’s going to get mangled beyond recognition into some horrific giveaway to a million special interests. If Salem is that concerned about it, he should urge the Council to delay a vote on the total package until after their summer recess, rather than breaking the legislation into pieces voted on seperately. He might not get the accolades of having the deal pass under his watch as President, but at least it guarantees that the best, most equitable part of the agreement doesn’t get politicked to shit after we’ve already handed over our $650 million.

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2024, 09:56:47 PM »
It really is unfortunate that we tend to sabatoge ourselves whenever a potential win presents itself. On the other hand, its crickets on JTA burning up +$400 million in local money on a gimmick.
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2024, 10:07:29 PM »
You have to understand that the CBA has fatal flaws
* it has "community" in the name, you know, kinda like the USSR or Cuba
* it is located in one of "those sections" of town
* it is supported by the Mayor with a "D" after her name (probably the worst sin of the proposal)

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2024, 10:43:45 PM »
You have to understand that the CBA has fatal flaws
* it has "community" in the name, you know, kinda like the USSR or Cuba
* it is located in one of "those sections" of town
* it is supported by the Mayor with a "D" after her name (probably the worst sin of the proposal)

Don't forget:

There seems to be genuine, legitimate OUTRAGE that the CBA includes $1 million for parks in each of the 14 districts.

Certainly a non-starter.

Irresponsible to the max.

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #127 on: June 14, 2024, 03:53:20 PM »
The Business Journal is lowering expectations about the Stadium of the Future. The headline is
EverBank Stadium renderings are an ideal; reality could be different
https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2024/06/13/renderings-vs-reality.html

Some key points from the article
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As City Council will examine the $1.4 billion deal for the Jacksonville Jaguars EverBank Stadium renovation, members of the public have expressed concern over whether the final stadium will resemble the futuristic, multidimensional stadium depicted in the renderings.

This concern comes after disappointment with Daily’s Place, the 5,500-seat amphitheater developed by the Jaguars, and its finished product compared to the renderings presented in concept.

But renderings are just that, a concept, an ideal, the best-case scenario, Kasper Architects CEO Erik Kasper said. Jacksonville-based Kasper Architects is not involved with the stadium design.

...

A rendering sells an idea, Kasper said.

When it comes to the Stadium of the Future, city chief negotiator Mike Weinstein told the Business Journal one of the agreements is the project program statement, which is 45-50 pages of what the city is buying to ensure it pays for what it’s getting.

“This will be very much like the drawings originally, but more importantly, the guts of it will be exactly what's in that agreement,” Weinstein said. “If anything has changed, we have to change it jointly.”

The article is junk. They interview an architect that has nothing to do with the stadium project. And Dailys Place is not an NFL stadium. The team president has already said there’s a contractual obligation to follow the renderings. And the NFL owners have to approve it this fall. They’re not going to sign off on something that could change.

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #128 on: June 17, 2024, 05:38:24 PM »
According to Jake Stofan from Action News, a weird compromise is emerging over the Community Benefits Agreement:

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Incoming Council President Randy White says he’ll offer an amendment to keep $56 million in the stadium deal community benefits agreement in tact and take up the remaining $94 million city share for homelessness, affordable housing and workforce development during budget season.

White indicated he’s hopeful the Jaguars will kick in $25 million for the parks piece.

White says the remainder of the CBA funds will be handled by a special committee he plans to establish after taking over as Council President on July 1st.

The compromise plan will be introduced Thursday according to Council President Ron Salem.

According to the mayor’s Chief of Staff, the deal was struck in order to avoid council members from having to abstain from voting on the overall deal, due to potential conflicts of interest that could arise with the parts of the CBA that will be pulled out.

The parks projects covered by the $56 million that will remain in the overall stadium deal include the renovation of the Covered Flex Field, completing improvements to the Shipyards West Park and the redevelopment of River Front and Metro Parks.

City Council agreed to this deal today. 10 Yeas, 2 Nays, 7 Abstentions/Absences.
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #129 on: June 17, 2024, 07:06:54 PM »
Feels very dangerous.

Pass the shiny new parks piece at a $56 million/$25 million split with the Jags, as White suggests, and then trust that Council is going to come back and pass a less glamorous $94 million/$25 million split with the Jags on affordable housing, homelessness, and boosting up the East Side at a later date with many other economic priorities.

Even with the Jags committing $100 million in the CBA to the Eastside, the dollars aren’t front loaded, and the impact of $3.3 million over 30 years is going to be massively diminished if the city isn’t willing to make that initial upfront investment to kickstart the Eastside.

Council and Salem need to have a backbone (or simply listen to the public, who support the CBA as is) and vote this thing up or down with the stadium, even if it takes a little extra time. 

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #130 on: June 17, 2024, 07:57:01 PM »
I just left city hall. If the public comments are worth anything,  there was massive unified public support for the CBA.
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #131 on: June 17, 2024, 11:04:04 PM »
I just left city hall. If the public comments are worth anything,  there was massive unified public support for the CBA.

Comments like this give me hope in this city.

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #132 on: June 17, 2024, 11:12:40 PM »
Council may be on their own planet at times. However, even the free Palestine crowd that comes to council stood in solidarity. A local construction worker Union also came out in a large number to support the CBA and suggest that the bill incorporate language to use local labor. I do get the need for checks and balances but it's still hard to figure out why some members desire not to invest in our community, residents and quality of life. Nevertheless, it was good listening to public comment tonight. Not all is lost in this town. We just have to get council on board or chop the heads off of those that won't do right by their constituents.
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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2024, 10:03:08 AM »
but it's still hard to figure out why some members desire not to invest in our community, residents and quality of life. 

Yes you can.

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Re: City unveils Jaguars stadium plan
« Reply #134 on: June 18, 2024, 03:42:16 PM »
As it sits now, what is best guess vote count to pass as is v. to remove some, if not all, of the CBA from the stadium deal?