Author Topic: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed  (Read 13554 times)

jax_hwy_engineer

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2024, 08:31:24 AM »
Aside from the overall dislike of self-storage facilities, isn't this exactly the type of development most on this board would like to see? Multi-story construction, affordable housing, street-level retail?

I see NIMBY's on N4J comments talking about this like it is gonna be an eyesore in an otherwise low-density beautiful neighborhood... but this is a 10 story building just 2 blocks from a 38 story residential highrise, 1 block from I-95, and 2 blocks from a city-block-sized parking lot.

What am I missing that makes this so offensive to people who otherwise WANT vertical construction with housing and retail?

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2024, 08:48:06 AM »
What "club" does the City have if the DDRB approves a certain design (say "paint the entire building in zebra stripes") and the developer doesn't do what the DDRB approved (say, they paint it solid blue)?

The city simply wouldn't issue a building permit if the plans are not consistent with what is approved by DDRB. If they were to change it after building permit issuance, the city wouldn't grant their C/O. If they were to change it after C/O, the city would take them to code enforcement for daily fines for every day it is out of compliance and could ultimately place a lien on the property.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2024, 11:15:26 AM »
What "club" does the City have if the DDRB approves a certain design (say "paint the entire building in zebra stripes") and the developer doesn't do what the DDRB approved (say, they paint it solid blue)?

The city simply wouldn't issue a building permit if the plans are not consistent with what is approved by DDRB. If they were to change it after building permit issuance, the city wouldn't grant their C/O. If they were to change it after C/O, the city would take them to code enforcement for daily fines for every day it is out of compliance and could ultimately place a lien on the property.

Have you seen the Southerly?  Check out the plans of what the DDRB approved and what was actually built.  The final product is atrocious.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2024, 11:29:48 AM »
They had to change it. next door they complained having it that tall next them would hurt there views and had to go back to the drawing board and lower to eight stories.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2024, 11:35:42 AM »
And i just saw that uf semiconductor institute man hub will not be in Jacksonville.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2024, 12:08:25 PM »
They had to change it. next door they complained having it that tall next them would hurt there views and had to go back to the drawing board and lower to eight stories.

I'm talking about the quality of the architecture.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2024, 12:37:13 PM »
https://images.app.goo.gl/czcz5tMDPceEZsYt7 and the old rendering https://images.app.goo.gl/U8BcBZrPTpR8Hepx6 i like the new one they built it’s fine.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2024, 02:31:18 PM »
https://images.app.goo.gl/czcz5tMDPceEZsYt7 and the old rendering https://images.app.goo.gl/U8BcBZrPTpR8Hepx6 i like the new one they built it’s fine.

Aside from the design, another blight along the river.  First, taking away from the iconic mid-century "Prudential" building, second, way too close to the edge of the river, and, third, looks, and is, just crammed into a little corner so a developer can squeeze every last drop of money from the real estate. 

Jax continues to sell out every day to poor projects just so we can say something is being done.  This was the rationale given by Rory Diamond this week for his support of the 10 story self-storage/apartment building.  We have no standards here and anything proffered is not worth the paper it is printed on.  These projects of today will not stand the test of time...
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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2024, 07:27:30 PM »
https://images.app.goo.gl/czcz5tMDPceEZsYt7 and the old rendering https://images.app.goo.gl/U8BcBZrPTpR8Hepx6 i like the new one they built it’s fine.

Go compare what they actually built to either of those renderings.  The final product is straight garbage.

jaxlongtimer

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2024, 10:48:49 AM »
The quotes below from an article selling the Wells Fargo tower downtown show that architecture can create (or destroy) the value of buildings and surroundings.  And, guess what?  It is a full block back from the riverfront (which still didn't prevent the river from flooding its underground garage so take note)!  No harm done.  Would be criminal to squeeze a high rise tower in the corner of the Landing property to compete with this building's presence.

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....“This is one of the most iconic and visible building top signs in the Southeast, and it represents a tremendous opportunity for a tenant desiring national exposure to accompany a large format lease,” said Zac Gruber, president of Banyan’s Office Division...

...Encompassing an entire city block next to the Riverwalk, “Wells Fargo Tower spans 655,000 square feet with striking architecture that stands out as an icon in the Jacksonville skyline....

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2024/apr/26/Wells-Fargo-deal-explained/





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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2024, 12:13:24 PM »
I hear ya Jax, but at the same time, we really shouldn't be allowing the government to intervene as heavily as it does downtown. I still maintain that our downtown development map has a very empty section, coincidentally happens to be our Central Core... not for a lack of space either. In some states, the government has a de-facto time limit on how long they can hold land public without a use.

If even world iconic buildings such as the Chrysler Building can be secondary to progress, I don't see why this building should be exempt from a similar form of progress. The issue being, we lack any substantial gain in our central core. The similar "keep it how it is" attitudes persist in all of our most meaningful submarkets (Beaches, San Marco, RAP, etc.). It heavily hampers development across our city, and it's why almost every 10+ acre parcel along a collector road in Jacksonville, has 3 to 4 story apartments. We only have so many of those left.

(https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/175-park-avenue/39965)

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2024, 07:57:57 PM »
After reading the first paragraph and seeing the rendering, I legitimately thought this article was parody at first.


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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2024, 11:33:45 AM »
Agree with Carlucci's proposal and it makes sense.  I would go further and apply this to all re-zoning change requests.  Too often, one or two votes approves a zoning change with significant neighborhood opposition and/or impacts. 

Just like the State requires 60% for a constitutional amendment change, something more than a simple majority should apply to votes with significant impacts and long term consequences.

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Re: Ten Story Self Storage Mixed Use Facility Proposed
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2024, 12:53:36 PM »
I'm good with this. I actually am okay with regular rezoning being a simple majority, but I think this allows for changes in the urban core to have to be more scrutinized.