Author Topic: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement  (Read 30505 times)

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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #165 on: January 11, 2024, 10:19:46 PM »
^ I hope this tech only charges the vehicles and not their occupants  ;D.  Given all the conspiracy theories about various cell and microwave towers, I can't imagine what will come along with these.
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #166 on: February 20, 2024, 10:27:07 AM »
In just a few minutes, JTA is launching a pilot shuttle service at FSCJ Downtown, using the Olli shuttle from defunct Local Motors and operated by Beep:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/02/20/jta-debuts-first-autonomous-vehicle-on-fscjs-downtown-campus/
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #167 on: February 20, 2024, 01:16:15 PM »
I know many, many people who work and live downtown.

Have quietly been doing my own polling, and I literally can't find a single human being who thinks the U2C is a good idea or thinks they would use it if built.

I mean, literally, not one person.

Who in their right mind dedicates half a billion dollars, in Florida, to a mode of transport that literally cannot operate in the rain. That's 112 days a year here in Jax. Ditto fog. Whole thing just shuts down in inclement weather apparently.

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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #168 on: February 20, 2024, 02:25:28 PM »
I happened to be looking into some files yesterday and found that JTA’s own BUILD grant application projected that only 2,500 people would ride the Bay Street Innovation Corridor per day.

2,500 riders per day, on a project that connects to a 68,000 seat football stadium, 15,000 seat area, and 11,000 seat ballpark.
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2024, 02:56:06 PM »
^Its basically a pilot project, IMO. Not real transit.
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2024, 03:40:48 PM »
I happened to be looking into some files yesterday and found that JTA’s own BUILD grant application projected that only 2,500 people would ride the Bay Street Innovation Corridor per day.

2,500 riders per day, on a project that connects to a 68,000 seat football stadium, 15,000 seat area, and 11,000 seat ballpark.

I'd be very surprised if it gets anywhere close to that number. Currently, the skyway is averaging about half that a day. Why would the strip just along Bay St have twice the ridership as the entire skyway? Crazy when you start thinking about cost/passenger.

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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #171 on: February 20, 2024, 03:44:27 PM »
^They're probably just adding up the max capacity of the number of vehicles that can run during operating hours.
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #172 on: February 20, 2024, 04:03:30 PM »
I happened to be looking into some files yesterday and found that JTA’s own BUILD grant application projected that only 2,500 people would ride the Bay Street Innovation Corridor per day.

Also notes a conversion of the existing superstructure, rather than the rebuild now being discussed.


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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #173 on: February 20, 2024, 05:18:01 PM »
^That's the crazy thing about this project. Go back to the beginning of the Skyway modernization talk. Its a completely different product, conversation and purpose now.
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #175 on: February 20, 2024, 06:08:50 PM »
Update after watching most of it:

After 8 years of “testing & learning,” the $322,000 pilot funded by JTA still cannot operate at night or in the rain, still requires an attendant on each vehicle (who must be capable of driving it), and uses a vehicle that is a technological dead-end because no more can be built.

They intend to break ground on Bay Street within 60 days.

It’s really… Theranos-esque.
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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #176 on: February 20, 2024, 06:56:26 PM »
Update after watching most of it:

After 8 years of “testing & learning,” the $322,000 pilot funded by JTA still cannot operate at night or in the rain, still requires an attendant on each vehicle (who must be capable of driving it), and uses a vehicle that is a technological dead-end because no more can be built.

They intend to break ground on Bay Street within 60 days.

It’s really… Theranos-esque.

Haha. Absolutely Theranos-esque. Looking forward to the Hulu series in 8 years. Press conference has some gems (quotes are nearly verbatim):

FSCJ's President:
"think about how cool it is to have autonomous vehicles transporting students around our campus. We're also excited because FSCJ is currently the only higher education institution in the country developing a deployed autonomous vehicle on their campus".

Nat Ford:
"in this future, what I see is a Jacksonville, where those with mobility needs will be able to regain their independence through the use of these vehicles."

"Not only has FSCJ become the first Florida campus to receive autonomous shuttles, but this AV pilot will help us prepare for the big project, the Bay Street Innovation Corridor and our U2C program. Bay Street is scheduled to launch in 2025."

"Let me say this. At the JTA we drive very hard. Because its so important to this community, the better we move, the greater our community will become. The JTA is not for the faint of heart. We drive hard, we have bold visions, we work tirelessly, we are courageous, but for the right reasons. And the right reason is to help our people thrive in this community".

JTA Chair Debbie Buckland:

"we see a lot of renderings here in Jacksonville. I know I get a little bit tired of seeing them and when we have something that actually comes to fruition, we've had two recently, we had the fountain come to life and now look at this. Look at we are doing here at FSCJ. It's real. Here it is."

"yes it's bold and it's one that is filled with unique challenges, but there is also so much potential as we seek to make Jacksonville a hub for the autonomous vehicle industry. And that's important for you members of the media to remember, we're going to be famous for this one day and you'll be thanking us."

"If you take only one thing away from this, I hope it would be an understanding that this initiative is about so much more than autonomous vehicles. It's about job creation. It's about nurturing a better connected community. And most importantly, it's about creating a tool that enables residents here in Jacksonville we serve to achieve their own success both now and for decades to come."

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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #177 on: February 20, 2024, 07:38:57 PM »
^ She forgot to include "the troops" in the list of things it's about.

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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #178 on: February 20, 2024, 07:49:07 PM »
There are a lot of crazy things with JTA's autonomous efforts, and one of them is that FSCJ's campus is .4 miles across from it's widest possible boundaries. For reference, this is about the same distance from Hyatt to TUPAC. It's probably the smallest and most compact "campus" in Florida.  Most people are within a few hundred feet of their destination when they park. 

Much like the U2C system, it doesn't solve an existing issue. It is merely being used as a pilot to see if the Bay Street project can become viable in the next year. The problem is, during Q/A, the FSCJ President said it can't operate at night due to safety concerns. He also said they had to find a route that avoids the main pedestrian paths on campus due to safety concerns. Oh and btw, they are only deploying 2 clown cars. Basically it's a test track on a short route that nobody will use and will not interface with pedestrians. Cool.

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Re: Time to cut bait on JTA's driverless Skyway replacement
« Reply #179 on: February 20, 2024, 10:15:03 PM »
Lol...based off these quotes and last few posts, everything we said was a challenge that JTA would not overcome......five years ago....is still a challenge today. Shame on these people for acting like this gimmick is big news. Feel free to test, but we still need real mass transit solutions and projects in this town.
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