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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #270 on: February 27, 2023, 10:09:24 PM »
Ok... I  see.  We are just drawing lines in different places.  I  prefer that we stop Russian aggression in Ukraine... where  you prefer to wait until they attack...who?  Poland?  Latvia? Estonia? Lithuania? Moldova?

Sweden and Finland saw the light... it's about time for you to see it also.

For real. There was no avoiding conflict with Russia. It was a matter of where, when and how much devastation there would be. Helping Ukraine contain them now is a lot less costly than if we'd sat on our hands until they started annexing NATO. Not to mention that Ukraine's only war aim is to maintain its sovereignty over its own territory -- territory based on borders that the Russians themselves imposed in the Soviet era.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #271 on: February 28, 2023, 06:34:16 AM »
BT, When you first started this thread, I posted an old adage, "the first victim in any war is the truth".  I stand by that post.  I keep reading and watching videos of so many Ukraine victories.  They maybe true, but thoughts of VietNam comes back to me- the news in the states of so many victories over the Viet Cong and N. Vietnam.  Many told of the thousands killed by B52 strikes and in skirmishes in that country.  Many named my brigade that was involved.  We would shake our heads and realize the truth at home wasn't being told.  We would go to areas bombed by B52s and find no evidence of any enemy deaths or having been there.  I hope we aren't getting the same type news about Ukraine.  I firmly believe it is better that we spend money on helping arm Ukraine, and it's a lot cheaper than sending our troops there.  We are getting a bargain.  Just hope we don't wake up one day with Russia victorious and finding out we were getting bogus reports.
I hear ya and it's a valid concern... individual videos and articles can be manipulated or be propaganda. If you want clear, verifiable, attributable, information go to https://www.understandingwar.org/ and click the link for today or yesterday's date.  All information has been cross referenced and most contain a numbered attribute which can be found at the end of the article with clickable links.
In actuality... things aren't all that good in Ukraine. It's true Russia is taking terrible losses and has been pushed back in some areas... but the situation right now is basically a stalemate with Russia making small but steady gains at a horrible price... at this pace Ukraine will slowly bleed to death.  If we truly want the war to end we need to provide them with the tools to push Russia back to original borders.
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #272 on: March 01, 2023, 06:47:09 AM »
Bahkmut is about to fall to Russian forces... I suspect Ukrainian forces are preparing for a retreat from the destroyed city...

https://www.newsweek.com/bakhmut-battle-russia-encircle-city-tense-1784359
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #273 on: March 03, 2023, 07:53:30 AM »
You will be Russian... or else...

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CNN reported on March 2 that Russian occupation authorities established a complex and widespread network and methodology of torturing Ukrainian civilians to coerce cooperation with Russian authorities, citing investigators and survivors of Russian torture.[90] CNN reported that Russian occupation authorities established a three-stage law enforcement crackdown, first detaining and even killing those identified as most capable of resisting, then detaining and deporting Ukrainians with lesser resistance affiliations, and finally cracking down against Ukrainian identity and cultural displays while promoting Russian identities and patriotism. CNN reported that Russian authorities established at least 20 torture centers in occupied areas as part of a dedicated campaign to “extinguish” the Ukrainian identity. CNN reported that Russian occupation authorities conducted more extensive coercion efforts in Kherson City than in areas like Bucha, Kyiv Oblast due to the length of Russian occupation.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-2-2023
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #274 on: March 06, 2023, 07:56:15 AM »
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Russia’s Assault on Daily Life in Ukraine
February 24, 2023
Ukraine
When a Kh-22 missile slammed into a residential apartment block in the city of Dnipro on January 14, it killed nearly 50 civilians and wounded dozens more. It was one of the largest such attacks since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine which Russian President Vladimir Putin launched one year ago today.

Russia’s destruction of residential buildings, hospitals, schools  and power infrastructure have been widely reported in the period since.

Speaking at an awards ceremony on December 8 Putin, champagne glass in hand, acknowledged and sought to justify Russia’s campaign to destroy Ukraine’s energy infrastructure in what was widely considered to be a bid to break the country’s resolve. So far, those ambitions have failed.

But as Bellingcat’s project to map and log incidents of civilian harm in Ukraine shows, many other facets of civilian life have also been attacked.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/02/24/russias-assault-on-daily-life-in-ukraine/
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #275 on: March 10, 2023, 04:36:50 PM »
Interesting development regarding Belarus from Associated Press.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-belarus-guerillas-sabotage-2c5074209663a2403752bb0c6404b32e

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After Russia invaded Ukraine, guerrillas from Belarus began carrying out acts of sabotage on their country’s railways, including blowing up track equipment to paralyze the rails that Russian forces used to get troops and weapons into Ukraine.

In the most recent sabotage to make international headlines, they attacked a Russian warplane parked just outside the Belarusian capital.

“Belarusians will not allow the Russians to freely use our territory for the war with Ukraine, and we want to force them to leave,” Anton, a retired Belarusian serviceman who joined a group of saboteurs, told The Associated Press in a phone interview.
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #277 on: March 19, 2023, 08:35:28 AM »
Moldova...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/16/europe/russia-moldova-secret-document-intl-cmd/index.html

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Secret document reveals Russia's 10-year plan to destabilize Moldova
By Tim Lister, CNN
Updated 9:03 AM EDT, Sat March 18, 2023
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #278 on: March 27, 2023, 06:02:20 AM »
The analysis supporting these conclusions is found in the link below...
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-26-2023

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The choices before Ukraine and its Western backers at this time are thus relatively straightforward. Ukraine can unilaterally cease fighting even as Russian attacks by ground and air continue, which would lead to disastrous defeat (and which almost no one is advocating). Ukrainian forces can continue fighting in a very constrained way seeking only to hold what they now have, which will encourage Putin to continue his efforts to pursue outright military victory. Or they can launch successive counter-offensive operations with the twin aims of persuading Putin to accept a negotiated compromise or of creating military realities sufficiently favorable to Ukraine that Kyiv and its Western allies can then effectively freeze the conflict on their own regardless of Putin’s decisions. Those are the options facing Ukraine and the West as long as Putin continues to believe that he can impose his will by force of Russian arms over however long a period he is willing to fight.
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #279 on: May 27, 2023, 07:14:33 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/russian/live/news-65565851

Based on open sources, the BBC managed to establish the names of 24,005 Russian soldiers who died in the war in Ukraine.  We assume that our list may contain at least two times fewer names of the dead than actually buried in Russia. We came to this conclusion by studying the situation in cemeteries in more than 65 Russian settlements over the past 15 months.

Consequently, according to the most conservative estimate, in total, during the invasion of Ukraine, Russia could have lost 48,000 people killed.
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #281 on: June 28, 2023, 05:12:15 PM »
We hear a lot of angst about censorship here in the US... another media outlet in Russia has been banned and interactions with novayagazeta.eu is subject to arrest...

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/06/28/were-not-going-anywhere-en
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #282 on: July 07, 2023, 04:56:19 PM »
From a BBC reporter on the frontline in Ukraine...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66121584
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #283 on: July 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM »
Interesting analysis of Putin‘s popular support...

https://cepa.org/article/putins-popular-support-a-miasma-of-jew-hate-and-fatalism/

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The war has left hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers dead and seriously wounded, seen the shelling of Russian cities, and caused a significant drop in living standards. Nevertheless, the most recent poll by the Levada Center shows 68% of Russians hope to see Putin as president after 2024... 
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #284 on: July 31, 2023, 06:24:51 AM »
https://cepa.org/article/behind-the-lines-russias-ethnic-cleansing/

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Russian forces are squeezing out locals and resettling Russian citizens in Ukraine’s occupied territories. 
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