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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #165 on: September 18, 2021, 06:01:38 PM »
I haven't been to Jax at night since moving back to North Florida, but did they keep the blue lighting?
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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #166 on: September 20, 2021, 12:49:57 AM »
You know, I've walked on that bridge and taken pictures of my kids all over that  bridge and park. So I see what you are saying. I guess my only observation is that it's so seamlessly woven into the natural elevation and topography of the spot it seems as if it's always been there.
Can we pull off something like that?

The Jax is structured to be interactive--water features, dynamic lighting, and walkable under/through/and around. I understand you're not a fan--but I think the intent is there to have some of those kind of elements to activate the art. If there's a proposal to change the design and achieve the same goals, I wouldn't complain.

Jacksonville has a long and storied history of failing to maintain anything with water features and dynamic lighting

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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #167 on: September 20, 2021, 01:23:05 PM »
In downtown Jax now. Surveying going on at Broad and Forsyth. Anyone know what's going there? Light crane doing work at the Ambassador Hotel. Looks Like they're tearing the old windows out. Large parking garage on block north of Wells Fargo building is underway it seems, as is the Laura Trio. Seems the Orleck will be here before the end of the year...a friend of mine posted it in one of my Navy forums I Admin...Navy Vets are wetting their pants over that. Lot of "stuff" taking shape in big Jax.
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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #168 on: September 20, 2021, 01:58:26 PM »
You know, I've walked on that bridge and taken pictures of my kids all over that  bridge and park. So I see what you are saying. I guess my only observation is that it's so seamlessly woven into the natural elevation and topography of the spot it seems as if it's always been there.
Can we pull off something like that?

The Jax is structured to be interactive--water features, dynamic lighting, and walkable under/through/and around. I understand you're not a fan--but I think the intent is there to have some of those kind of elements to activate the art. If there's a proposal to change the design and achieve the same goals, I wouldn't complain.

Jacksonville has a long and storied history of failing to maintain anything with water features and dynamic lighting

True, but I think that highlights a needed change in our MO vs. throwing in the towel and saying we can't support those types of amenities. If we avoid building new versions of things we have historically neglected, we should also be avoiding parks, schools, and anything downtown (if you'll forgive a bit of hyperbole).  There's a lot of discussion over the design, but that discussion pales in comparison to the question of whether the city will actually commit resources to both build and maintain anything that resembles the vision articulated by the bidders. Not to mention the other in-design proposals downtown that would also require ongoing maintenance.

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« Reply #169 on: September 20, 2021, 03:03:34 PM »
In downtown Jax now. Surveying going on at Broad and Forsyth. Anyone know what's going there? Light crane doing work at the Ambassador Hotel. Looks Like they're tearing the old windows out. Large parking garage on block north of Wells Fargo building is underway it seems, as is the Laura Trio. Seems the Orleck will be here before the end of the year...a friend of mine posted it in one of my Navy forums I Admin...Navy Vets are wetting their pants over that. Lot of "stuff" taking shape in big Jax.
Interesting they are starting working on the Trio already.

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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #170 on: September 20, 2021, 10:42:14 PM »
In downtown Jax now. Surveying going on at Broad and Forsyth. Anyone know what's going there? Light crane doing work at the Ambassador Hotel. Looks Like they're tearing the old windows out. Large parking garage on block north of Wells Fargo building is underway it seems, as is the Laura Trio. Seems the Orleck will be here before the end of the year...a friend of mine posted it in one of my Navy forums I Admin...Navy Vets are wetting their pants over that. Lot of "stuff" taking shape in big Jax.
Interesting they are starting working on the Trio already.
What I meant was I saw people milling around the Trio; what they were doing, really, I do not know. I just assumed some type of work, whether inspecting, surveying, etc., seems to be underway.
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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #171 on: Yesterday at 09:56:25 PM »
Atkins has increased the scope of his proposed master plan to rope in everything else along the Northbank (including Khan/Iguana’s proposed projects) and apparently some other ideas for downtown.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/10/21/developer-wants-to-tie-new-downtown-projects-together-with-1-billion-master-plan/

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Last June he summited his ideas for what he thinks should go near the former Landing and City Hall sites. Now he has drawn up a new map and presented it to the city as a master plan for the city to follow.

He believes the city needs to think of the riverfront as a whole and not piece out individual projects.

He is also suggesting:
  • 15 acres of riverfront public park and plaza spaces with resiliency infrastructure
  • More than 1,000 multifamily units (including apartments and condominiums)
  • A 208-room, entertainment-oriented, boutique-style hotel
  • 90,000 square feet of well-certified office space, which could be converted to multifamily based on market demand
  • 155,000 square feet of retail, restaurant and entertainment space
  • A 280,000 square-foot Exhibition, Entertainment & Technology Center with retail and virtual venues
  • Approximately 4,500 structured parking spaces across five garages
  • An expanded pier with retail and entertainment venues

Adkins’s ideas were not solicited by the city. He just wants them to be considered.

He estimates the project could cost around $2 billion. He is not asking the city for any money upfront and said he does have some financial backers and needs to act quickly. Adkins has several successful downtown projects including the renovation of the Old Barnett Bank building. He is also involved in the Laura Street trio proposals.

News4Jax reached out to the Downtown Investment Authority and the mayor’s office for comment. The mayor’s staff said the project is ambitious and exciting. His staff went on to say that the DIA should hear from all entities who have a willingness to invest in downtown.

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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #172 on: Today at 06:16:29 AM »
We have more downtown renderings in the last decade than Jags have losses.

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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #173 on: Today at 07:42:51 AM »
They should remove all parcels they and COJ don't own for a more realistic look at what can logically be done.
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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #174 on: Today at 07:55:34 AM »
My favorite part of that is the removal of the rest of the expressway ramps (and jail/Sulzbacher) to restore the street grid in that area with the big park along Hogan's Creek. 

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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #175 on: Today at 10:35:00 AM »
They should remove all parcels they and COJ don't own for a more realistic look at what can logically be done.

I agree. My first reaction here is I do like the plan overall, putting aside my feelings of how realistic given the market aside. I'd have to go through a few times to understand the details of some things, but conceptually, it's the kind of thing the City should be showing, not Atkins.

I also get why they show projects they don't oversee (Jags practice facility, Four Seasons site, etc.). And actually, there isn't much not owned by COJ in this rendering actually. The main things would be the Hyatt, and the Run up of Catherine Street. There are others, like Berkman 1/2 and a few things like that, but in those examples I don't think they're trying to take credit for those developments (or maybe they are, who knows).

Bottom line is this - this rendering is what DIA was capable of putting together 5 years ago. Why didn't they?

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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #176 on: Today at 11:11:36 AM »
DIA would be good to hire whatever firm is doing the graphics for Southeast. Yes, the master planning effort should have been publicly displayed in a similar fashion years ago for whatever long term strategy they have. The overall vision should never be kept in the dark. That hurts downtown more than helps it.
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« Reply #177 on: Today at 11:27:30 AM »
And actually, there isn't much not owned by COJ in this rendering actually. The main things would be the Hyatt, and the Run up of Catherine Street.

Looking at the overall plan a bit closer, the Catherine Street corridor is a huge chunk although it appears to be more of their vision....which is another topic, since visioning should be a community led effort. There are some projects that are overlapping in that the city or another entity is already attempting to do something with them. Nevertheless, yes the visioning stuff should have been done by the DIA years ago and not in a piecemeal fashion.
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« Reply #178 on: Today at 12:25:22 PM »
He’s really hitting all the press this time, isn’t he?

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/atkins-ups-riverfront-jacksonville-proposal-to-dollar2-billion-adds-hydropower

Not sure how to feel about this bit:

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His proposal would only work as a master-planned development and SouthEast will not bid on piecemeal components as the DIA puts city-owned parcels on the market, Atkins said.

SouthEast’s financial partners are investment banking firms Goldman Sachs and Piper Sandler & Co.

He said his Riverfront Jacksonville development partners need a major private sector capital investment opportunity for the project to be worth their time.

“If you break it up and slice it up into individual small pieces with no guarantee of other investments, it’s not enough, frankly, for them to be interested,” Atkins said.
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Re: Riverfront Jacksonville: $1.1 billion Master Plan
« Reply #179 on: Today at 02:07:51 PM »
Goldman knows how to make money but a bit surprised they see that huge of a chunk of DT Jax real estate as something worth pursuing. Given the city's track record of how they've managed these pieces decade after decade, may not be the worst idea in the world to let the big boys takeover. Didn't something similar happen with Detroit after their bankruptcy? As in the city council was basically given the back-seat as conditions of their bankruptcy arrangements?