Author Topic: Time for more real talk on JTA's Skyway plans  (Read 7916 times)


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Re: Time for more real talk on JTA's Skyway plans
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2021, 08:36:42 PM »
The Civic Council says the Skyway has been a "failed federal experiment" and while the JTA conversion plan shows promise, the agency should find federal, state and private support for half the cost.

"The remaining $190 million should be invested in the road and transportation needs across the county to improve travel times, ease congested traffic areas, improve walkability and enhance pedestrian and bicycle-friendly transportation options," the council said in a letter sent to Mayor Lenny Curry and City Council members.

LOL.  Civic Council is reading the tea leaves too.  No gas tax passage if too much goes to the AV/Skyway.  They are saying to the Mayor we will match Carlucci's proposal and raise you $40 million just to be sure we don't lose this initiative.

If we are lucky, JTA has to go to the Feds for the other 50% after the gas tax passes but before they can spend any money.  And, then, the Feds say "hell no" as, even by their standards, this is an "off the rails" (no pun intended) "crazy experiment."  Next, JTA abandons the project and the remaining half gets reallocated to projects that will truly be good for Jacksonville.  And, we all live happily ever after...  ;)

The Civic Council is reading The Jaxson ;)
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Re: Time for more real talk on JTA's Skyway plans
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2021, 10:28:06 AM »

Never assume there's a project too obviously flawed at the start for the Feds to throw money at.   

Recent examples include Cali's HSR + Honolulu's monorail.

Having a dedicated funding source in place, the gas tax increase, will help a lot when going to the Feds.   It will also help that JTA will be asking for maybe about $225 million.  This is almost nothing compared to what others are asking for.  For example, Austin just passed a plan for $7 billion in new trans projects.  They're assuming the Feds will kick $3 to $4 billion.


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Re: Time for more real talk on JTA's Skyway plans
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2021, 11:08:46 PM »
Are those projects flawed, or just difficult? California's problem has largely been NIMBYism, project management, lack of upfront funds and tunnel boring. They've only actually spent $7 billion so far, and the projected future costs are based on the expectation of it taking years for money to trickle in, meaning inflation of both money itself and project costs.

HART is challenging because it's fully elevated, but they're getting there and it's likely cheaper than it would have been to build brand new highways for the capacity they needed.

And aren't those projects in other cities much larger, with a greater effect? The U2C in relatively small in geographic coverage, to the point that people here ask why it isn't extending into a lot of the underserved communities. If we started talking about big projects like multiple commuter rail lines, expansions to places like Palatka or Palm Coast or Baldwin, or an expansive light rail network, or even some kind of regional service to tie us to Gainesville, we'd probably start approaching those numbers too.
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