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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2021, 11:26:44 AM »
During the committee meetings, even the sponsor of the bill gave a different answer each time when asked to define what constitutes a riot. If the lawmakers who drafted the bill can't define what this bill is supposed to protect against, that leaves all discretion to law enforcement to do so.

Most bills that affect law enforcement have an effective date at least a year from when the bill was signed into law in order to give law enforcement proper training. This bill became effective immediately so police officers are going out on the streets enforcing a law that they have little to no training in.

The fact that this bill also gives the state legislature the right to overturn a municipalities decision to decrease their own police budget should give it away that this is nothing more than virtue-signaling to the right from a governor who has eyes on the presidency. No longer do cities have the right to decide how money should be spent within their own community. This most definitely will be overturned in the courts

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #61 on: April 30, 2021, 05:15:04 PM »
Good. I really have no dog in this fight. If rioting happens I’m not going to be anywhere nearby.

Hopefully we can get a ruling on the lawsuit before something occurs… :)
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2021, 07:34:08 PM »
How can anyone honestly say that this law is anything other than a power grab by the right?  We have laws against vandalism, we have laws against arson, assault, battery, theft, robbery, any unlawful action you can name.  This takes our freedom to dissent to the whim of the party in office.  Any dissent that does not match the values of the current regime can be deemed a mob, riotous, or a threat to public safety.  The Constitution is not a document that gives the majority, or the party in power, the right to modify our rights.  It's to assure that all Americans are treated equally.  There is NO justification for this law.

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2021, 10:15:52 PM »
When one of Florida's sports teams - pro or college - wins some Big Game Championship, it is likely their fans will take to the streets in celebration.  At these joyous celebrations, some people get out of hand and break windows, or turn over cars, or pull down street lights, or beat up fans of the Other Team.  Will the DeSantis Anti-1st Amendment Law be applied to them?  Heck, if the local police feel any of that "out of hand" stuff is "imminent" they could "read the riot act" and make felony arrests.  Even if none of the "out of hand" stuff happens, the fact that thousands of people are blocking the streets runs afoul of this new law. 

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2021, 09:33:59 AM »
I hope the people of Florida take note of the fact that the party that is always portraying itself as the "keepers of the Constitution, and of personal rights", especially when it comes to guns, is always enacting laws that are a contradiction to their stated aims.

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2021, 03:57:50 PM »
Oh the drama... :o ::)
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2021, 09:35:24 PM »
How can anyone honestly say that this law is anything other than a power grab by the right?  We have laws against vandalism, we have laws against arson, assault, battery, theft, robbery, any unlawful action you can name.  This takes our freedom to dissent to the whim of the party in office.  Any dissent that does not match the values of the current regime can be deemed a mob, riotous, or a threat to public safety.  The Constitution is not a document that gives the majority, or the party in power, the right to modify our rights.  It's to assure that all Americans are treated equally.  There is NO justification for this law.

Flooring the gas pedal on your vehicle as a result of a certain public roadway blockage episode hardly ever present in the past was a Driver behind/ for the legislative effort.
Seeing San Margo businesses boarded up around this time last year in prep for Protest was Prescient.
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Live with this new legislation...... How Bad Can It Be????

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #67 on: May 03, 2021, 07:46:24 AM »
How can anyone honestly say that this law is anything other than a power grab by the right?  We have laws against vandalism, we have laws against arson, assault, battery, theft, robbery, any unlawful action you can name.  This takes our freedom to dissent to the whim of the party in office.  Any dissent that does not match the values of the current regime can be deemed a mob, riotous, or a threat to public safety.  The Constitution is not a document that gives the majority, or the party in power, the right to modify our rights.  It's to assure that all Americans are treated equally.  There is NO justification for this law.

Flooring the gas pedal on your vehicle as a result of a certain public roadway blockage episode hardly ever present in the past was a Driver behind/ for the legislative effort.
Seeing San Margo businesses boarded up around this time last year in prep for Protest was Prescient.
Etc.
Live with this new legislation...... How Bad Can It Be????

I think you and Bridge Troll are being very disingenuous. You don't have to know much about the law to see how this new law can be abused and used to prevent or eliminate dissent against the government. If Biden were proposing this, the Right would have a fit.

I hope it is struck down by the courts before it causes serious harm. 

We fought a 'Drug War' for decades that destroyed many lives all for the sake of political gamesmanship. This has the potential to do the same and do long term harm to democracy in the process.     
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2021, 09:30:40 AM »
No longer do cities have the right to decide how money should be spent within their own community.

There's always been restrictions and constrictions to this before.  Not just in Florida but all the states.

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2021, 06:14:22 PM »
I'm sure there will be test cases once people start getting arrested for violating it.

Cue up the ACLU who has already registered their opposition to this bill.  Given how discretionary its enforcement will likely be, I think they will have a good case to have it ruled unconstitutional.

I wonder, at times, if DeSantis and the Legislature pass these bills to support the bevy of lawyers the State pays millions to for defending the State's ongoing desire to pass unsustainable laws.  And, how much those same lawyers recycle those fees into campaign contributions.  It has to be a cottage industry at this point.  How many Florida laws have been tossed or limited by the courts in recent years?

By the way, check out the PBS series that started last night, "Philly DA."  It's as good as any Netflix or HBO documentary series and sheds an amazing light on the various sides (police, prosecutors, defenders, offenders, victims, judges) to our justice system and law enforcement.  Every citizen should watch this to understand how complex and difficult applying justice in this country really is.  It also demonstrates how the "anti-mob" law is likely to be smoke and mirrors in the end and will just cost taxpayers millions of dollars for nothing.

As predicted, the ink has hardly dried and, sure enough, the ACLU, NAACP, etc. have now filed suit in Federal court to overturn this law based on it being unconstitutional.  We will now waste Florida taxpayers' money defending a worthless law that was never needed in the first place.  If the State loses, they may also have to pay for the plaintiff's lawyers.

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Federal lawsuit challenging Florida anti-riot bill claims law targets Black protesters


Several groups have joined to file a federal lawsuit on behalf of Black-led organizations challenging a recently enacted Florida law (H.B. 1) which the groups assert is intended to chill First Amendment rights.

The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., the ACLU of Florida, and the Community Justice Project filed the lawsuit in federal court in Tallahassee. The state Legislature passed so-called anti-riot bill in its recent session at the urging of Gov. Ron DeSantis, who championed the bill.

The law targets Black protesters and their allies who demand racial justice and has already slowed protest activity among Black organizers in Florida,” according to a press release from the groups filing the lawsuit....

....The plaintiffs in the lawsuit are The Dream Defenders, the Black Collective Inc., Chainless Change Inc, Black Lives Matter Alliance Broward; the Florida State Conference of the NAACP Branches and Youth Units and the Northside Coalition of Jacksonville.

The lawsuit lists as defendants DeSantis, Attorney General Ashley Moody, Leon County Sheriff Walt McNeil, Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams, and Broward County Sheriff Gregory Tony.
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2021, 08:17:14 AM »
The really predictable part of this is that those two organizations misguided efforts may only serve to hurt the people who live and work in the CBDs where the demonstrations and riots will occur...

THAT was predictable...  :)
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #71 on: May 12, 2021, 08:35:32 AM »

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The law targets Black protesters and their allies who demand racial justice
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No, the laws target childish numpties who go out into the street and throw a fit cuz they're not happy.


This country is plagued by people the mentality of a toddler, constantly wanting attention for doing nothing.  Pathetic.

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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2021, 08:43:40 AM »

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The law targets Black protesters and their allies who demand racial justice
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No, the laws target childish numpties who go out into the street and throw a fit cuz they're not happy.


This country is plagued by people the mentality of a toddler, constantly wanting attention for doing nothing.  Pathetic.

There is literally nothing in this law that is beneficial. Any activity that is targeted as unlawful was already unlawful. 
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2021, 08:57:39 AM »
The really predictable part of this is that those two organizations misguided efforts may only serve to hurt the people who live and work in the CBDs where the demonstrations and riots will occur...

THAT was predictable...  :)

Except there’s no indication “riots will occur” there or anywhere.
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Re: New 'Anti-Mob' law, is it unconstitutional?
« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2021, 10:20:49 AM »
No, the laws target childish numpties who go out into the street and throw a fit cuz they're not happy.

This country is plagued by people the mentality of a toddler, constantly wanting attention for doing nothing.  Pathetic.

AFAIK, everyone has a right to express their dissatisfaction in the streets. And if it bothers you that people want attention for doing nothing, you could always just...not give them attention.
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