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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #300 on: March 22, 2023, 10:41:56 PM »
Davis's "victory" speech makes it clear that he wants to be a mini-DeSantis as he explicitly stated so.  DeSantis, the governor who has continuously worked to strip local rule and bring back all decisions to Tallahassee.... Whether undermining city ordinances, controlling local school boards, limiting how local elections are conducted, orchestrating how local school taxes are spent, how municipal utilities are operated (suspiciously, maybe to force the sale of JEA), how locally elected DA's should behave, how local health departments should be muzzled, how area water management districts should be run from Tallahassee, how state colleges should not ever disagree with him, how women should talk with their doctors, etc.  This is the Davis that wants to be mayor of a city in which he will willingly give up control to DeSantis?  Is that what the voters of Jacksonville want?  No home rule?

Davis went on to misrepresent Deegan as anti-police and paint her as a "liberal."  Yet, he still refuses to show what he stands for.  However, if you follow the money ($5+ million, where do you think that came from?), you will see that he will be a lapdog for developers, power brokers, the Curry machine, etc., not a man of the people.  An empty suit.  A DeSantis want-to-be.

FYI, see Nate Monroe's post election analysis here:  https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/nate-monroe/2023/03/22/nate-monroe-in-quest-for-mayor-davis-will-spend-deegan-will-work/70030698007/

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #301 on: March 22, 2023, 11:37:09 PM »
... I usually give outsized weight to the (perceived) character of local candidates vs. their ideologies. I'd rather have a transparent, well-run government spending my tax dollars on priorities I don't support than a dysfunctional, backstabbing cabal of political climbers flushing those taxes down the toilet in a way that benefits nobody but their donors. If you run a dirty campaign for a local seat, it's a pretty good predictor of your behavior once you hold the office.

It makes me wonder how and if our turnout numbers and election results would change if party affiliation was dropped from the general election ballot.

I still stand by this. R or D is irrelevant to local government, despite voters voting party-line. We need people of character who are focused on local issues in office, period. Then we can commence arguing partisan politics at the state and national level, like civilized brutes.

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #302 on: March 23, 2023, 09:22:25 AM »
... I usually give outsized weight to the (perceived) character of local candidates vs. their ideologies. I'd rather have a transparent, well-run government spending my tax dollars on priorities I don't support than a dysfunctional, backstabbing cabal of political climbers flushing those taxes down the toilet in a way that benefits nobody but their donors. If you run a dirty campaign for a local seat, it's a pretty good predictor of your behavior once you hold the office.

It makes me wonder how and if our turnout numbers and election results would change if party affiliation was dropped from the general election ballot.

I still stand by this. R or D is irrelevant to local government, despite voters voting party-line. We need people of character who are focused on local issues in office, period. Then we can commence arguing partisan politics at the state and national level, like civilized brutes.

JAX municipal elections are easily the most 'nationalized' I have seen, and I have lived in or closely followed the local politics of many cities.  That is a big part of why JAX is an under achieving city.  Non-partisan elections would be a big improvement and would swift out a lot the nonsense that pollutes these races.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #303 on: March 23, 2023, 09:27:59 AM »
^ well that isn't happening. In fact, there's a bill in the Legislature to all but outlaw non-partisan elections. The power structure in Tallahassee want voters to see D and R with candidates.

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« Reply #304 on: March 23, 2023, 11:36:43 AM »
^ well that isn't happening. In fact, there's a bill in the Legislature to all but outlaw non-partisan elections. The power structure in Tallahassee want voters to see D and R with candidates.

Figures. A Charter Amendment would do it, which a petition movement would allow. FL just getting more authoritarian by the day.
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« Reply #305 on: March 23, 2023, 03:08:39 PM »
Surprised how well Ferraro did. Otherwise yes, in line with expectations.

Concerned Gibson supporters may not return in big numbers for Deegan in the runoff. Same may be true for Ferraro supporters. 

I would imagine olive branches were extended to both candidates within 10 seconds of the run off being announced last night. Ferraro & Gibson have a lot of leverage at the moment, will be interesting to see how they use it.

Almost certainly. Both Gibson and Ferraro I would expect to not fade away at this point.

Deegan got respectably close to winning outright on Tuesday, if she can get out there and get people to the polls in May she can absolutely win this.

Oh.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/597713-audrey-gibson-will-not-endorse-donna-deegan-for-jacksonville-mayor/

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In an exclusive interview with Florida Politics, former Senate Democratic Leader Audrey Gibson, who was eliminated in the First Election, emphatically stated that she would not endorse Donna Deegan in the runoff election.

Gibson, who spent roughly two decades in Tallahassee, has no plans to endorse Republican Daniel Davis either.

“I’m not endorsing anyone,” she said.
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« Reply #306 on: March 23, 2023, 03:48:24 PM »
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Wow. What a bitter, selfish response.

This and the Jefferson/Burton non-endorsment are great examples of why 1 party dominates in Jax.

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #307 on: March 23, 2023, 11:05:05 PM »
Surprised how well Ferraro did. Otherwise yes, in line with expectations.

Concerned Gibson supporters may not return in big numbers for Deegan in the runoff. Same may be true for Ferraro supporters. 

I would imagine olive branches were extended to both candidates within 10 seconds of the run off being announced last night. Ferraro & Gibson have a lot of leverage at the moment, will be interesting to see how they use it.

Almost certainly. Both Gibson and Ferraro I would expect to not fade away at this point.

Deegan got respectably close to winning outright on Tuesday, if she can get out there and get people to the polls in May she can absolutely win this.

Oh.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/597713-audrey-gibson-will-not-endorse-donna-deegan-for-jacksonville-mayor/

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In an exclusive interview with Florida Politics, former Senate Democratic Leader Audrey Gibson, who was eliminated in the First Election, emphatically stated that she would not endorse Donna Deegan in the runoff election.

Gibson, who spent roughly two decades in Tallahassee, has no plans to endorse Republican Daniel Davis either.

“I’m not endorsing anyone,” she said.

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Wow. What a bitter, selfish response.

This and the Jefferson/Burton non-endorsment are great examples of why 1 party dominates in Jax.

You have to think in terms of what is best for the candidate's pocketbook/career, not for the City.  Some speculated R's put Gibson up to keep Deegan from getting 50%.  Further, Gibson may want to keep her options open for a seat in a Davis administration if she is banking on (or even helping him) win the race. 

Too many Dem's in Jax are really DINO's because they only want to be in a seat of power and if the R's hold it, they will find a way to cater to their power plays.  Just look at how some Dem's on the Council regularly sided with Curry so they could get personal/political favors from him, not for their constituents, but for their own self interests.  The machine owns both parties here.
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« Reply #308 on: March 24, 2023, 12:37:15 PM »
^^

Yes. It’s why so many people don’t vote in local elections. There doesn’t feel like that much a difference between local parties sometimes.

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« Reply #309 on: March 24, 2023, 07:51:40 PM »
Davis's "victory" speech makes it clear that he wants to be a mini-DeSantis as he explicitly stated so.  DeSantis, the governor who has continuously worked to strip local rule and bring back all decisions to Tallahassee.... Whether undermining city ordinances, controlling local school boards, limiting how local elections are conducted, orchestrating how local school taxes are spent, how municipal utilities are operated (suspiciously, maybe to force the sale of JEA), how locally elected DA's should behave, how local health departments should be muzzled, how area water management districts should be run from Tallahassee, how state colleges should not ever disagree with him, how women should talk with their doctors, etc.  This is the Davis that wants to be mayor of a city in which he will willingly give up control to DeSantis?  Is that what the voters of Jacksonville want?  No home rule?

Davis went on to misrepresent Deegan as anti-police and paint her as a "liberal."  Yet, he still refuses to show what he stands for.  However, if you follow the money ($5+ million, where do you think that came from?), you will see that he will be a lapdog for developers, power brokers, the Curry machine, etc., not a man of the people.  An empty suit.  A DeSantis want-to-be.

FYI, see Nate Monroe's post election analysis here:  https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/nate-monroe/2023/03/22/nate-monroe-in-quest-for-mayor-davis-will-spend-deegan-will-work/70030698007/

You are very disconnected from the real right my friend.  Davis is one of the biggest RINOs to run in a long time.  He has a fairly progressive policy history while in the state house and as Chamber president.  In fact, DeSantis and the current legislature are in the process of undoing some laws that Davis had voted for.

Davis was silent on basically all issues, but especially the cultural hot button issues that matter to most people, including conservatives.  He was the only republican to not have a response to the monument issue, for instance.  There was a huge scandal with JASMYN, which involves the *biggest* hot button issue to traditional family values conservatives, and while he runs as a "family values Christian conservative", he has danced around that and waffled and avoided bringing it up or answering questions.  Why can't he just easily denounce an organization that hosted the "Saturgayz" parties marketed to teens as young as 13, or all the crap (such as dildos in the shape of a heart marketing the now infamous "penis game") that they posted on their Instagram while receiving sponsorship from taxpayer partially funded Chamber and the $180K they received from DCPS over three years?

We all know silence is capitulation to the "other side", so is he a DeSantis style conservative republican?  Whatever he tries to tell the public now to rescue his campaign, his record would say absolutely otherwise.

He could have come across as authentic, even, by apologizing for not doing enough due diligence on the organization before sponsoring it, and promising that he had learned from his mistake and would certainly be more scrupulous as mayor, recognizing the need to be a good steward of taxpayer money and leaning truly into "conservative Christian family values" he says he has.  That might have actually curried favor with the rest of us republicans who lost Tuesday.

In fact, those of us conservatives who really pay attention are smart enough to realize that he would be no different on many of those issues than Donna Deegan.  He's a Chamber of Commerce republican and will say and do anything deemed best by big woke corporations who sway with all of the cultural tides and phenomena of the present age.

Why would we vote in someone we don't like and won't be the kind of R we want who *will* be there for 8 years when we can vote for the same thing in true form (Democrat Donna) who won't be so vicious and who will likely be a 4-year Alvin repeat with no real hard turns to the left (such as defunding police - she won't be that stupid)?

Davis is screwed unless Donna really royally screws up.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #310 on: March 24, 2023, 09:49:22 PM »
^ well that isn't happening. In fact, there's a bill in the Legislature to all but outlaw non-partisan elections. The power structure in Tallahassee want voters to see D and R with candidates.

... and ignoring the “ Independent “ vote....
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« Reply #311 on: March 24, 2023, 10:09:49 PM »

Why would we vote in someone we don't like and won't be the kind of R we want who *will* be there for 8 years when we can vote for the same thing in true form (Democrat Donna) who won't be so vicious and who will likely be a 4-year Alvin repeat with no real hard turns to the left (such as defunding police - she won't be that stupid)?

Davis is screwed unless Donna really royally screws up.
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Low vote turnout. Some flickers of civic duty and interest, elevated voter “ turnout”  evident within Ortega, Avondale, “ and to a lesser degree “ Riverside.For example.
Riverside/ Avondale  “ RAP District” breakup, jettison Riverside was an element in Redistrict process.
Huge swaths of Duval, referenced and targeted  as “ Voiceless” and “ underserved” represent areas where the resident population has exhibited a propensity to not vote.
Donna needs to focus on those that will vote. Certifiably.
Perhaps she can encourage those voiceless and underserved that could vote but have not voted to become engaged with vote now.
Has not worked for Charlie Crist. For example.
As a long established Avondale resident, for the first time in decades I was very close to not voting. Even for the District Council candidate I made a contribution to.
Realizing that there will likely be a move out of Jacksonville dashes candidate review and vote zeal.

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #312 on: March 24, 2023, 10:14:52 PM »
Davis's "victory" speech makes it clear that he wants to be a mini-DeSantis as he explicitly stated so.  DeSantis, the governor who has continuously worked to strip local rule and bring back all decisions to Tallahassee.... Whether undermining city ordinances, controlling local school boards, limiting how local elections are conducted, orchestrating how local school taxes are spent, how municipal utilities are operated (suspiciously, maybe to force the sale of JEA), how locally elected DA's should behave, how local health departments should be muzzled, how area water management districts should be run from Tallahassee, how state colleges should not ever disagree with him, how women should talk with their doctors, etc.  This is the Davis that wants to be mayor of a city in which he will willingly give up control to DeSantis?  Is that what the voters of Jacksonville want?  No home rule?

Davis went on to misrepresent Deegan as anti-police and paint her as a "liberal."  Yet, he still refuses to show what he stands for.  However, if you follow the money ($5+ million, where do you think that came from?), you will see that he will be a lapdog for developers, power brokers, the Curry machine, etc., not a man of the people.  An empty suit.  A DeSantis want-to-be.

FYI, see Nate Monroe's post election analysis here:  https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/nate-monroe/2023/03/22/nate-monroe-in-quest-for-mayor-davis-will-spend-deegan-will-work/70030698007/

You are very disconnected from the real right my friend.  Davis is one of the biggest RINOs to run in a long time.  He has a fairly progressive policy history while in the state house and as Chamber president.  In fact, DeSantis and the current legislature are in the process of undoing some laws that Davis had voted for.

Davis was silent on basically all issues, but especially the cultural hot button issues that matter to most people, including conservatives.  He was the only republican to not have a response to the monument issue, for instance.  There was a huge scandal with JASMYN, which involves the *biggest* hot button issue to traditional family values conservatives, and while he runs as a "family values Christian conservative", he has danced around that and waffled and avoided bringing it up or answering questions.  Why can't he just easily denounce an organization that hosted the "Saturgayz" parties marketed to teens as young as 13, or all the crap (such as dildos in the shape of a heart marketing the now infamous "penis game") that they posted on their Instagram while receiving sponsorship from taxpayer partially funded Chamber and the $180K they received from DCPS over three years?

We all know silence is capitulation to the "other side", so is he a DeSantis style conservative republican?  Whatever he tries to tell the public now to rescue his campaign, his record would say absolutely otherwise.

He could have come across as authentic, even, by apologizing for not doing enough due diligence on the organization before sponsoring it, and promising that he had learned from his mistake and would certainly be more scrupulous as mayor, recognizing the need to be a good steward of taxpayer money and leaning truly into "conservative Christian family values" he says he has.  That might have actually curried favor with the rest of us republicans who lost Tuesday.

In fact, those of us conservatives who really pay attention are smart enough to realize that he would be no different on many of those issues than Donna Deegan.  He's a Chamber of Commerce republican and will say and do anything deemed best by big woke corporations who sway with all of the cultural tides and phenomena of the present age.

Why would we vote in someone we don't like and won't be the kind of R we want who *will* be there for 8 years when we can vote for the same thing in true form (Democrat Donna) who won't be so vicious and who will likely be a 4-year Alvin repeat with no real hard turns to the left (such as defunding police - she won't be that stupid)?

Davis is screwed unless Donna really royally screws up.

Simms, I am merely working off the quotes that came out of Davis's mouth.  He said he is aligned with DeSantis.  Maybe not really, but that is what he said.  He also painted Deegan accordingly.  He is likely two-faced which shows a lack of character for political expediency so who knows what he really stands for.

We can agree that Deegan will hopefully be a moderate in office and focus on doing what she sincerely thinks is best for the citizens of Jacksonville without pushing devisive partisan party politics and DeSantis culture wars.  Davis is now indicating we can't expect that from him.  Further, Davis is supported by the "machine" and I think Curry has shown that is not for the good of the citizenry either.

I only hope if Deegan is elected the Republican majority council will put aside party affiliations and do the right thing for constituents and not try to sabotage most everything like they did for Alvin Brown, who was hardly a perfect mayor but did get defeated on the few things he tried to get right.  It is just sickening to see City decisions made based only on party affiliation, not what should be nonpartisan and noncontroversial issues.

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« Reply #313 on: March 25, 2023, 11:58:02 AM »
Well getting rid of "the machine" is really what's uniting some conservatives and democrats in this town.

At the end of the day, while Davis is a two-face fake conservative based on his own record, on other really important topics such as vision for the city, he also remains completely silent.

He calls Jacksonville the second hottest real estate market in the country right now.  Anyone with half a brain knows that ain't remotely true.  It's about as empty as him taking credit for Dunn & Bradstreet's corporate relocation to Jax.

With his history being in positions of power and influence, he's had at least a decade and a half now to articulate a vision for the city and help execute.  I would argue that he has been extremely ineffective and done the bare minimum thing.  I am not a fan of many in his fan base...I do have the displeasure of interacting with some of them in social life and these are not people I would ever personally fit in with or want to be friends with.  We are all who we surround ourselves with and from what I've observed, there's a "clique" I don't care to have leading this city into the future or benefiting from personal favors at everyone else's lost opportunity.

But Tim Baker and Brian Hughes really run this town, and so he's merely one of their puppets.  That's what I think we all want to end!
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #314 on: March 29, 2023, 08:51:13 PM »
Duval is the second hottest real estate market!????
Does that assessment include those thrilled to move out?
Davis connection to Home Builders Political Machine is Classic.