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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2021, 10:18:16 PM »
^ It really is strange, especially at a point where it appears that Democrats are in a better position than they were in 2015 from a standpoint of potential votes, yet the combination of funding challenges (a statewide problem, to be fair) and some fear of having to stake out a truly unique direction for the city has proved paralyzing.

I fully believe that if someone, anyone, took the lessons this thread has put together over the years and mounted a citywide campaign on the promise of rebuilding our city, they'd have a decent chance of winning. Yet somehow Democrats haven't found the guts to do so, now including a second attempt to ride the coattails of a Republican candidate and hope that they won't be shut out of the resulting administration.

Even as someone who studies and participates in this stuff, it really just bewilders me that no one ever suggests that perhaps the best way to gain and maintain power is to promise improvements to normal people's lives… and deliver on those promises, or at the very least make it clear what obstacles exist to delivering on them. Even if you do care about the next election, wouldn't the best way to secure that be saying you'll do good things and then doing those things? Did the decades-long endurance of the New Deal Coalition teach no one?

In some ways, the local, state and national GOP have the opposite problem:  They are TOO organized - around one person (i.e. a machine) who has too much control.

The root of all of this is gerrymandering and campaign financing.  Fix that and we might get better representation from both parties.

Curry in particular seems to hold an awful lot of power over donors and elected officials of both parties, no doubt experience he carried from running the state GOP. Shame all he used it for was demolition and selling JEA.

I'd also suggest the need to ditch first past the post and move to ranked choice/instant runoffs. This two polarized parties thing clearly isn't working for us.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2021, 11:48:19 PM »

Curry in particular seems to hold an awful lot of power over donors and elected officials of both parties.


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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2021, 12:27:55 AM »
Lot J's failure doesn't necessarily mean the man behind the curtain has been struck down. Even JEA's failure to sell doesn't mean that. Arguably the real question is whether the donor network he built remains beholden to him and those of his choosing, particularly people like Daniel Davis. If Davis loses or Curry somehow catches charges for the JEA scandal, then it might be time to say the sun has set. Until then, he's down but not out.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2021, 09:22:49 AM »
Lot J's failure doesn't necessarily mean the man behind the curtain has been struck down. Even JEA's failure to sell doesn't mean that. Arguably the real question is whether the donor network he built remains beholden to him and those of his choosing, particularly people like Daniel Davis. If Davis loses or Curry somehow catches charges for the JEA scandal, then it might be time to say the sun has set. Until then, he's down but not out.

Curry used to have total control over City Council, and he lost that. He also lost the Our Jax contingent of the donor class as well as others who aren’t falling in line with his projects. He still has sway (he’s the mayor after all) but nothing like he had in his first term where everyone was terrified of opposing him.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2021, 12:42:12 PM »
Those are fair points. He's definitely not untouchable like he was in 2015 or even 2019. I will stand by saying that the real determinant is going to be who wins in 2023 and/or whether JEA comes back for him.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2021, 08:02:58 PM »
Update on Davis' fundraising:

Quote from: Nate Monroe
Oh and once and future 2023 mayoral candidate @DanielDavisFL just hauled in another $305,519 in February (~$1.6 total so far for the unannounced candidate).
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2021, 09:58:24 PM »
There are reports that City Council member Al Ferraro (R, District 2) will announce a campaign for Mayor of Jacksonville this Saturday, March 13th.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2021, 10:17:03 PM »
There are reports that City Council member Al Ferraro (R, District 2) will announce a campaign for Mayor of Jacksonville this Saturday, March 13th.

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2021, 11:38:07 PM »
It seems Ferraro would take more votes from Davis than from Carlucci.

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2021, 12:53:33 PM »
Davis has raised in 2021 over $1.6 million from just 94 donors (actually much less when you consolidate the affiliated companies and their executives/owners).  And Khan hasn't even chipped in yet.  Check out the current list yourself at:  https://dos.elections.myflorida.com/cgi-bin/contrib.exe.  [If asked, the PAC name is " building a better economy" and the date range should include from 1/1/2021 to present.  The one for Carlucci is "next generation jax" which has raised $400K from 29 contributors.  As a declared candidate, he also has raised another $100+K in his campaign account.  See:  https://www.duvalelections.com/Candidates-And-Committees/Search-Local-Contributions-And-Expenditures]

It's clear that Davis will be obligated first and foremost to the development/construction/real estate industry* and the usual power players in town - the same ones who supported Curry - making Davis = Curry 2.0.

It's sad to say politicos can still "buy" elected offices and shameful that voters typically elect the guy with the most money to spend on ads.  And, we complain about the quality of our representatives? 

*This is why disproportionate infrastructure dollars go to new development instead of existing areas like the NW quadrant.  And why this crowd receives favorable zoning decisions and generous incentives.  Just follow the money.  (And - applicable to all politics at all levels of government - we say pay-for-play/bribery is illegal in the US?  Who are we kidding?)
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2021, 04:10:31 PM »
Davis is definitely staking out the part of the donor class that supports Curry. His toughest job is going to be distinguishing himself from Curry and many of his unpopular decisions that Davis supported or assented to, such as the JEA sale fiasco and Lot J. That's easy pickings for his rivals.

It's even tougher as he has to do that without turning off Curry's money people. And it's tougher still when you have Ferraro potentially getting a part of the Republican base's hard right voters. That said, you can do a hell of a lot with a couple million dollars in your pocket. And he's got plenty of time and resources to define himself.
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2021, 05:06:52 PM »

 That said, you can do a hell of a lot with a couple million dollars in your pocket. And he's got plenty of time and resources to define himself.

Yes, look for a divisive cultural issue to be germinated, propagated and fumigated across the local landscape, to make everyone forget about how the ruling class has rooked the city at large for the last seven years.

 
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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2021, 05:58:37 PM »
Will be interesting to see what position Daniel Davis and the Chamber stake out on spending $380 million on the Skyway.  I see it as another Lot J with even more public push back (it's not nearly as sexy as the Jags).  Will be a real test of his fealty to Curry.  My guess is he/they will be silent, at best, if not supportive.  If so, will seal the deal that he is Curry 2.0 and his campaign could then be toast before it even gets going.

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2021, 10:36:28 PM »
get excited for Al Ferraro!

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Re: Jacksonville Mayoral Election 2023
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2021, 12:43:46 PM »
get excited for Al Ferraro!


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