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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2020, 11:03:45 AM »
For a taste, Google --> History of Post Colonial Africa

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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2020, 11:32:34 AM »
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2020, 11:39:20 AM »

It's useful when people are set in their ways and unopen to reality, eh?



If poverty causes violence, why is the recent rate of violent crime on Pine Ride below US average?   Pine Ridge's poverty rate is something like 60-80% ( not shitting ya, it's 3rd world level poverty ). 

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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2020, 11:52:06 AM »
LOL, what and where is Pine Ridge? Just wondering about the environment, density, population, etc. in comparison to urban issues. You're not providing enough information for others to consider your position.
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2020, 11:54:47 AM »
repeat and rinse for Appalachia.  Some of the poorest counties there have almost no violent crime, despite having median household incomes that are sometimes lower than what you could make from cash payments from programs  under the welfare umbrella.







......  And now you're saying "but, but, if violence causes the poverty......"  which

a) rural Appalachia is poor because of it's geography ( just like the intermountain west )
b) 99% of impovershied people NEVER commit a violent crime.  When 99% with an attribute don't do something, the attribute ain't relevant to the outcome.


or let's put it another way locally ---> of the Bernard Carsons and Kollin Foster's in Jacksonville, any of the fathers getting murdered, can y'll name any of them where their children are not living in poverty today? What about Jake Hall's kids?

What is the mechanism where poverty takes control of a human's brain and __causes__ them to pull the trigger?

There isn't one.  The virus isn't poverty, that's just an outcome, a symptom.   Violence is the virus.


What do some guy scraping by w/ 2 part time jobs does when he's beaten and robbed?  He can't go into work.  He doesn't have long term disability.  His employer, not knowing when he'll be back let's him go.  He's got nothing.

What happens when what little you have is gone?   There's no insurance.   You're back to square one, scraping by  collecting scraps for months or years just to get back to where you were before the event.   Why bother?   Why not give up?  Or after seeing it happen to someone else why even try?



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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2020, 12:25:30 PM »
Apples and oranges. You totally missed my comments about the environment one lives in and the role that plays into this topic. We have more people here than cows. Are you aware of any similar scaled urban areas in this country where people unrelated to each other actually live in close proximity?
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2020, 12:27:57 PM »
For a taste, Google --> History of Post Colonial Africa
Lol, an entire continent?! Also, why "post" vs "pre" colonial? Are you saying colonizing a population had a negative impact in some sort of way?
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2020, 12:53:27 PM »
For a taste, Google --> History of Post Colonial Africa

Besides the fact that I don't think anyone contended that "poverty causes violence" (you seem to have made that bit up), you've contended that violence causes poverty more than poverty causes violence.

So, from where I'm sat, you need to provide a link that shows the poverty in post-colonial Africa (since you mentioned it) is caused by violence as well as showing that poverty hasn't played a role much of the violence that you doubtless can evidence.

But as I said, I don't think anyone has made as reductive a statement as "poverty causes violence". I think poverty can be a cause of violence - but poverty is but one symptom of the problem and violent crime (or crime in general) is one of the inevitable results of that problem.

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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2020, 04:45:07 PM »
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2020, 04:53:31 PM »

It's useful when people are set in their ways and unopen to reality, eh?



If poverty causes violence, why is the recent rate of violent crime on Pine Ride below US average?   Pine Ridge's poverty rate is something like 60-80% ( not shitting ya, it's 3rd world level poverty ). 

C'mon dude... provide links. Show us what you found. When we can read the same link you found then the facts can be debated... otherwise it is just hearsay...
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2020, 06:22:16 PM »
Charleston is one of the larger cities Appalachia. It also appears to have it struggles with crime. Wheeling is also is on the list. Seems that that the cities of Appalachia face very similar challenges to Jacksonville and other communities across the country.

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Charleston makes list of top 100 dangerous cities in U.S.

The city of Charleston is getting national attention but for all the wrong reasons. The city recently made the list for Top 100 Dangerous Places to Live in the U.S.

Charleston ranks 19th, above cities like Philadelphia and Washington D.C. but below Baltimore and Detriot.

The list comes from Neighborhood Scouts, a website that helps potential buyers of real estate gain insight on crime.

The data comes from the 2016 calendar year and according to the website, comes directly from the crime information police departments are required to send the FBI annually. The FBI releases their annual report at the end of the following calendar year, so the data on the website was released a few months ago before the site compiled their list.

"You hate to hear that you're in the top 20 per capita as far as most dangerous cities go, but the victims of violent crime are typically involved in criminal activity," Charleston Police Chief Steve Cooper tells WSAZ.

Last year, Charleston ranked 40th on the list that is based primarily on violent crimes like homicide, rape, armed robbery and assault.

The website data includes neighboring cities in the total for Charleston. For example, Cross Lanes and Rand are included, because they have Charleston addresses.

Chief Cooper says most of the city's crime problems are tied to the drug epidemic, a cycle that is difficult to break.

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Charleston-makes-list-of-top-100-dangerous-cities-in-US-476598703.html
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Re: Witness Comments on Shooting of 7-Year Old at Football Game
« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2020, 05:12:06 AM »
Charleston is one of the larger cities Appalachia. It also appears to have it struggles with crime. Wheeling is also is on the list. Seems that that the cities of Appalachia face very similar challenges to Jacksonville and other communities across the country.

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Charleston makes list of top 100 dangerous cities in U.S.

The city of Charleston is getting national attention but for all the wrong reasons. The city recently made the list for Top 100 Dangerous Places to Live in the U.S.

Charleston ranks 19th, above cities like Philadelphia and Washington D.C. but below Baltimore and Detriot.

The list comes from Neighborhood Scouts, a website that helps potential buyers of real estate gain insight on crime.

The data comes from the 2016 calendar year and according to the website, comes directly from the crime information police departments are required to send the FBI annually. The FBI releases their annual report at the end of the following calendar year, so the data on the website was released a few months ago before the site compiled their list.

"You hate to hear that you're in the top 20 per capita as far as most dangerous cities go, but the victims of violent crime are typically involved in criminal activity," Charleston Police Chief Steve Cooper tells WSAZ.

Last year, Charleston ranked 40th on the list that is based primarily on violent crimes like homicide, rape, armed robbery and assault.

The website data includes neighboring cities in the total for Charleston. For example, Cross Lanes and Rand are included, because they have Charleston addresses.

Chief Cooper says most of the city's crime problems are tied to the drug epidemic, a cycle that is difficult to break.

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Charleston-makes-list-of-top-100-dangerous-cities-in-US-476598703.html

Took me a second, then realised you weren't talking about the Charleston!
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