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Re: City tried to find new park to clear way for Shad Khan's Shipyards proposal
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2020, 12:33:03 PM »
Dumb question that probably has an obvious answer:

It feels like we've been hearing about these back and forths for a few years now, with multiple sites (some downtown, some far from it) being floated for land swaps with Met Park.

If Met Park's designation was holding back legitimate development, why wouldn't we just pay back that $1.7 million to the feds and figure out our downtown park plans independent of a land swap? If we can pay $20 million for a clean slate at the Landing, certainly we can pay less than a tenth of that to clear a roadblock for the Jags, right?

Is there some hidden consequence/downside of handing back the money now until we've figured out our park plans in the future?

All that said, still love the idea of a signature public park on the western Shipyards.

Gives the city SO MUCH more bang for the buck than wasting the entire Landing on greenspace (e.g. the Landing is fully developable; the Shipyards will require $35 million in remediation to make way for mixed-use development; makes sense to have the signature greenspace on land not suited for other types of development).

Also, I'm wondering if the imminent proposal by Iguana cited by Boyer means that the preliminary environmental reports are coming back somewhat positive.


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Re: City tried to find new park to clear way for Shad Khan's Shipyards proposal
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2020, 12:48:08 PM »
Metropolitan Park didn't hold anything back until this current administration came on the scene. The public has never demanded that something be built on the top of this space. If it were up to the community, Kids Kampus would still be there. That should tell you all you need to know about our downtown visioning or lack of thereof.
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Re: City tried to find new park to clear way for Shad Khan's Shipyards proposal
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2020, 07:25:18 PM »
If Met Park's designation was holding back legitimate development, why wouldn't we just pay back that $1.7 million to the feds and figure out our downtown park plans independent of a land swap? If we can pay $20 million for a clean slate at the Landing, certainly we can pay less than a tenth of that to clear a roadblock for the Jags, right?

I believe I read somewhere along the way that the Feds said the property isn't for sale.  Only a swap with comparable land would do as this project was intended to provide riverfront green space in perpetuity.  Selling it back won't support that.

For the record, I am for all our city owned riverfront land being green space.  Let the developers have at it one block or more back.  There are plenty of opportunities for them.  Future generations will thank those of us today who had the foresight to put these lands aside just as they do in cities many times our size who have benefited from similar decisions in decades and centuries past.  It's a red herring to say we don't have the funds to maintain our parks.  If we have $233 million +++ for Shad's projects, we have the money for parks.  Additionally, if we had an "adopt a park" program for citizens and businesses to make tax deductible contributions to support our parks, we would have additional funds (see foundations supporting our national parks).

If one looks at any flood maps calculating sea level rises of 1 to 6+ feet, one would see the added benefit of not building on land that is destined to flood regularly in the coming years.  Downtown Jax is possibly one of the most vulnerable spots in the county outside of remaining wetlands.  Just as the City/Feds are now looking at buying a few dozen houses for $5 million due to repeated flooding so they can forever convert the land back to green space, we may be wishing for the same Downtown if we develop these properties today (see the Wells Fargo Building and Hyatt after Irma flooding).

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Re: City tried to find new park to clear way for Shad Khan's Shipyards proposal
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2020, 09:51:30 PM »
River Access

The Call For River Access has become Boring, key limited opportunities lost, the realities of what was possible, costs and commitment required hardly noted.

Drop it.

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Re: City tried to find new park to clear way for Shad Khan's Shipyards proposal
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2020, 11:08:14 PM »
St Johns Riverkeeper desperately needs an issue/ cause. This is perfect Dead End.