Author Topic: Could Carnival Leave Jax?  (Read 2483 times)

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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2020, 06:32:29 PM »
No Virgin isn't building a rail line to Port Canaveral. Any connection would be a shuttle bus from the Cocoa station.
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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2020, 12:49:34 AM »
Found a couple of updates for this thread:

Looks like Jackonville's Ecstasy is for sale:

https://www.cruisehive.com/here-are-five-carnival-cruise-ships-that-might-be-sold-soon/40309

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Carnival Ecstasy

The Carnival cruise ship is the second oldest in the fleet and entered service in 1991. The ship is currently listed for sale on the Ferry & Cruise Shipbrokers web site. Carnival Ecstasy was cruising out Jacksonville, Florida before the pause on cruises.

The ship is 70,367 gross tons and has a guest capacity of 2,056 at double occupancy. Her most recent upgrade was in October 2019 which was mainly general maintenance with the only real highlight of a new Bonsai Sushi Express being added.

Then there is this report that the Ecstasy will be Carnival's first U.S. post-COVID voyage:

https://www.traveloffpath.com/cruise-lines-reopening-dates-of-sailings-and-what-you-need-to-know/

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US Launch: 4 Day Round Trip Cruise to the Bahamas on October 4th sailing aboard the Carnival Ecstasy

Not sure these reports are in conflict.  Carnival may sail the Ecstasy until it is sold.  Not good for a cruise ship to sit idle for long - maintenance wise or money wise.  But, it appears that when they find a buyer its "outta here!"  Also, if they restart cruises with a ship like the Ecstasy and things go terribly wrong (see Carnival's Diamond Princess fiasco), at least they will be cutting their image damage by dumping the tainted ship from their fleet soon after.  For Jacksonville, the question then is what happens next.
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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2020, 06:22:42 PM »
Are the smaller Norwegian ships still docked around town?  Perhaps that's who they should be courting.

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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2020, 06:30:23 PM »
Yes, at least two of them are still here. One at Talleyrand and another off Dames Point.
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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2020, 11:56:32 PM »
Carnival now disposing of 18 ships vs. 13 a few months ago.  Targeting older ones.  Can Jacksonville's Ecstasy survive the cut?  It is now the oldest ship under the Carnival flag (see listing below).  Two caveats:  It was last renovated in 2017 and Carnival may have older ships under other flags of its corporate umbrella.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23505-carnival-to-further-accelerate-ship-exits-18-vessels-to-leave.html


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Carnival to Further Accelerate Ship Exits; 18 Vessels to Leave

Carnival Corporation said on Tuesday it will accelerate the removal of less efficient cruise ships from its global fleet.

Previously, the world's largest cruise operator said it 13 ships would exit its fleet, that number has been upped to 18, of which eight have already left the fleet.

"In total, the 18 ships represent approximately 12 percent of pre-pause capacity and only three percent of operating income in 2019," Carnival said, in an SEC filing.

"The sale of less efficient ships will result in future operating expense efficiencies of approximately two percent per available lower berth day ("ALBD") and a reduction in fuel consumption of approximately one percent per ALBD," Carnival said.

"We continue to take aggressive action to emerge a leaner more efficient company. We are accelerating the exit of 18 less efficient ships from our fleet. This will generate a 12% reduction in capacity and a structurally lower cost base, while retaining the most cash generative assets in our portfolio," commented Arnold Donald, CEO, in the filing....

Carnival ships currently by age.  Note the oldest ship on the list!

https://www.cruisehive.com/easy-guide-on-carnival-ships-by-age/27734

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    2022 – Carnival Celebration (Excel-class)
    2021 – Mardi Gras (Excel-class)
    2019 – Carnival Panorama (Vista-class)
    2018 – Carnival Horizon (Vista-class)
    2016 – Carnival Vista (Vista-class)
    2012 – Carnival Breeze (Dream-class)
    2011 – Carnival Magic (Dream-class)
    2009 – Carnival Dream (Dream-class)
    2008 – Carnival Splendor (Splendor-class)
    2007 – Carnival Freedom (Conquest-class)
    2005 – Carnival Liberty (Conquest-class)
    2004 – Carnival Valor (Conquest-class)
    2004 – Carnival Miracle (Spirit-class)
    2003 – Carnival Glory (Conquest-class)
    2002 – Carnival Conquest (Conquest-class)
    2002 – Carnival Legend (Spirit-class)
    2002 – Carnival Pride (Spirit-class)
    2001 – Carnival Spirit (Spirit-class)
    2000 – Carnival Victory (Transformed to Carnival Radiance in 2020)
    1999 – Carnival Triumph (Transformed to Carnival Sunrise in 2019)
    1998 – Carnival Paradise (Fantasy-class)
    1998 – Carnival Elation (Fantasy-class)
    1996 – Carnival Sunshine (Transformed from Carnival Destiny in 2013)
    1994 – Carnival Fascination (Fantasy-class)
    1993 – Carnival Sensation (Fantasy-class)
    1991 – Carnival Ecstasy (Fantasy-class)

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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2020, 08:52:58 AM »
If this was covered up-thread, my apologies.
Can any of the newer ships pass under the Dames Point Bridge?  The JEA power lines that cross Blount Island and the river?

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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2020, 09:07:45 AM »
I know the Miracle (2004) can. It was here for a while and it does clear, but it's tight (about 6 feet to spare at high tide).

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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2020, 10:14:35 AM »
I know the Miracle (2004) can. It was here for a while and it does clear, but it's tight (about 6 feet to spare at high tide).

Whoa.

That's terrifying.

Do they stop traffic on the bridge?

That's gotta look pretty scary from the driver's perspective.

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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2020, 11:33:11 AM »
They did, as there was a visual illusion that the boat would hit the bridge. They had a guy on top of the smokestack with a stick that measured the distance between the top and the bridge.


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Re: Could Carnival Leave Jax?
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2020, 04:02:54 PM »
I don't think Ecstasy has been at the pier of the cruise terminal for 3 months...
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