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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2020, 11:32:29 AM »
BTW, the group doing this stuff appears to be a huge conglomerate - of different organizational names.  It's the same core group of people, but they go by ANTIFA, JCAC, Take Em Down Jax, and a few others by now.  Google their names and follow the leads to their other Facebook pages.

I've covered two of these marches and was downtown during the riot on Saturday night and have met a number of the people in the local organizations. I can confirm that neither JCAC or Take Em Down Jax are synonymous with Antifa. The Jacksonville Community Action Committee is an African-American group that does community organizing and hosts protests and marches. Take Em Down Jax is a group dedicated to removing Confederate monuments. Some of the same people are involved in both and other groups such as the Northside Coalition. Antifa has become something of a boogeyman but as far as I can tell none of these protests have had anything to do with Antifa.

It amazes me how much the name “Antifa” has struck a nerve. Yesterday, I saw a post on Nextdoor referencing an “Antifa” rally in San Marco and for residents to be caution.

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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2020, 12:04:04 PM »
Any excuse to not address the real issue and reason there are protests in the first place.
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2020, 12:33:46 PM »
Do people remember that "Antifa" is short for ANTI FAscist?

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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2020, 01:31:23 PM »
Do people remember that "Antifa" is short for ANTI FAscist?

Antifa promotes the ideologies of anarchism and communism, which ARE non-fascist ideologies, but just because something isn't a particular bad thing doesn't mean that it's a good thing in itself.

That said, theere doesn't seem to be much substantial evidence that these riots are instigated by antifa themselves. Antifa has become a bogeyman lately. Some people just like to break stuff, and if they see somebody else having fun smashing a window with no repercussions, they are all too happy to join in. A lot of people are pent-up after all this COVID pandemic inaction, some people wanna smash stuff for funsies despite the consequences or effects on other people

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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2020, 04:22:23 PM »
It's worth considering that Antifa is not an organization, as such - it's more of a movement. It is very decentralized and has little in the way of leadership, owing to the libertarian outlook of its members. People can form local groupings or even just do things in the name of Antifa.

Also, Antifa's main thing is to go and either counter-protest or use physical violence to disrupt 'fascists'. They don't generally tend to focus on things like rioting for the hell of it, etc. That's not to say that there are no Antifa-affiliated people involved in the rioting. But I bet it's more likely to be your garden-variety anarchists.
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2020, 11:11:11 AM »
Expecting issues in San Marco tonight?

I expect as many issues as David Dorn references.

Finally found out who David Dorn was... he apparently does not fit the current outrage...

https://youtu.be/FI_F-8lfuik
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2020, 11:14:51 AM »
Expecting issues in San Marco tonight?

I expect as many issues as David Dorn references.

Finally found out who David Dorn was... he apparently does not fit the current outrage...

https://youtu.be/FI_F-8lfuik

I mean, it made national news.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1223386
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2020, 11:31:16 AM »
Expecting issues in San Marco tonight?

I expect as many issues as David Dorn references.

Finally found out who David Dorn was... he apparently does not fit the current outrage...

https://youtu.be/FI_F-8lfuik

I mean, it made national news.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1223386

Thanks Taca...  It just seems that the small amount of time the broadcast networks have spared for the victims of these riots, their insistent chorus of “mostly peaceful, mostly peaceful” starts to sound more like damage control than factual reporting.
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2020, 11:39:12 AM »
their insistent chorus of “mostly peaceful, mostly peaceful” starts to sound more like damage control than factual reporting.

It's all a part of the regularly scheduled mental programming

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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2020, 01:13:10 PM »
I finally experienced the delays with the “instant” firearm background check system. I knew the delays were big due to covid but with the riots, it took like 6 hours! I think people in the home invasion  field may need to focus on businesses going forward. All the homeowners are armed now...too dangerous :)

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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2020, 01:20:11 PM »
I finally experienced the delays with the “instant” firearm background check system. I knew the delays were big due to covid but with the riots, it took like 6 hours! I think people in the home invasion  field may need to focus on businesses going forward. All the homeowners are armed now...too dangerous :)

Did you actually buy a gun because you're worried about home invasion?
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2020, 01:34:15 PM »
I finally experienced the delays with the “instant” firearm background check system. I knew the delays were big due to covid but with the riots, it took like 6 hours! I think people in the home invasion  field may need to focus on businesses going forward. All the homeowners are armed now...too dangerous :)

Did you actually buy a gun because you're worried about home invasion?

I have been around guns since I was a kid, so not really.  I don’t “worry” about a home invasion but certainly am prepared. And two decent sized dogs is a pretty good alarm system :)
 I could care less about being robbed but some of the senseless violence associated with home invasions is pretty disturbing. A few years ago our elderly next door neighbor had their front door kicked In when they were home. Luckily, he took off when he realized someone was home. But you just never know.

I have always been a rifle or shot gun guy but I must admit the random shooter psychos have made me consider handgun training for both us and possibly carrying. But...we haven’t pulled the trigger on that idea yet :)
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2020, 04:49:05 PM »

It's incredibly important in active shooter situations to engage the shooter(s), the sooner the better.

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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2020, 10:34:51 PM »
Four Drones doing their thing @  San Marco “ Reflective Walk”.
We must assume “ Friendly”, and if not, we can only speculate why not sequestered/ removed.


On the Gun Thing.
I recall a Smith And Wesson Ad- a reprint.
Man raking leaves in the front yard, Adoring family, Wife/ Mom and two children in the background.
A Semi Auto handgun on dad’s hip.
I don’t recall the wording. Need to dig through my storage.
The image , raking Fall leaves suggested a sordid Northerly Bad Crime Area.
Ha!
Early Summer Magnolia leaf pile.
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Re: 4 racial protests and riots from Jacksonville's past
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2020, 12:54:05 AM »
Loved this:

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https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2020/06/05/jaguars-wr-chris-conley-let-this-be-a-movement-not-just-a-moment/

“Watching the events starting with Ahmaud Arbery, the video when it got released. I sat in my house upstairs in my office and I just began to cry because I saw someone who looked like me, someone who looked like my brother, someone who looked like my friends get shot down and fall on the street like an animal. That hurt me, because I’ve seen it time and time again, so forgive me if I’m long-winded, but I’m going to get through this. The events of the last few months have culminated and shook the nation for many opening their eyes to something the marginalized have pointed out the whole time. What I and others know is that these atrocities have been foreshadowed. They have been allowed to manifest because of years of systemic indoctrination and oppression. I urge you today, brothers and sisters, to know this history, study it, seek it, because through it, though it may make you uncomfortable, it will lead towards change. George Santayana said, ‘those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.’ The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King said, ‘We are not makers of history. We are made by it.’ We cannot allow comfortability with revisionist history to disarm our minds and weaken our convictions. A confederate monument sits a couple of blocks from here, praising the south’s dark past. Our revisionist history would tell us that it’s there to honor men fighting for states’ rights. But true history would tell us that, in the Cornerstone Address, Alexander Stevens said that our states are built on the fact that the negro is inferior, and slavery and subordination is its normal and natural state. That’s true history. This monument sits a block from where the Ax Handle Saturday happened in Jacksonville. A block from it, reminding people in this city of what’s happened to them. True history would remind people that not only Confederate sympathizers butchered black people in the streets, but police joined them too.

Revisionist history is what allows us to believe that systemic racism isn’t real or that racism in it of itself is only isolated incidents. Not instilled by government back segregation. Not instilled by a history of bias in policing. Revisionist history is what allows people to say, ‘yes, these things happened, but that was the past. Can’t we just move on?’ Richard Rothstein said, “let bygones be bygones isn’t a legitimate wish if we wish to call ourselves a constitutional democracy.’ Protests like this one and peaceful protests across the country are fighting for our Constitution. They’re fighting for our democracy, so I plead that everyone out there will get out and they would demonstrate, they would do it peacefully. And to those people that are trying to detract from this movement, who are trying to add on and instill hate and riots, we won’t let you hijack this moment. We won’t let you do it.

Fighting inequality that allows 20% longer sentences on average for African American men. Fighting inequality that allows black adolescents to be 18 times more likely to be charged as adults. Everybody look around at the kids here, man. A black adolescent is 18 times more likely to be charged and convicted as an adult. That’s what we’re fighting today. We’re fighting inequality that would allow this league to marginalize and to leave players in 2016 when they stood up and said that there was a problem. That’s what we’re here to fight today. That’s what you’re all here for today.

Today, we say no more. Today, we see a nation that can’t await change, a city that won’t sit still or be quiet. Today, I’m surrounded by brothers and sisters of every color who rallied together to echo the cries of George Floyd. To echo the cries of Breonna Taylor. To echo the cries for Ahmaud Arbery and the countless others like them. Today, we’re encouraged. Today, we’re embolden. Today, we know that that change will come. Today, I am surrounded by you and I pray for you that you would abound in love and knowledge and deep insight, like Philippians 1:9 says. This is a marathon and not a sprint. Every woman and child and man can sustain this for more than just a moment and make sure this is a movement. Right now, I challenge all of you to learn this history, to learn our country’s true history, not so that it makes you comfortable but so that you can be empowered to go out and make true change. So that you can go out, as they say, and you can beat them at the ballot. So, you can weaponize the voters in this city to get people who will truly represent each and every one of us. Voters can do this right now. Movements like this can do this right now.

I want to say thank you. I want to say thank you to my black brothers and sisters who are out here. I want to say thank you to my white brothers and sisters who are out here. I want to say thank you to every single child who is out here, younger person who is out here because you’re seeing an example of what the future can be. You’re seeing an example of the future that’s fighting for you, right now. I’m fighting for you. When I saw that video, I saw you. I saw you. I saw you. I saw all of you. Thank you to all of you. This is only the beginning. Don’t let people rile you up. Don’t let people tell you that you’re not worth it. When they say Black Lives Matter, they’re saying Black Lives Matter because they’re hurt right now. We’re not saying they matter more. I hope everyone here knows that. But let’s show it. This is only the beginning here in Jacksonville. Let’s make sure that we maintain this momentum so this is not a moment and this is a movement.

The status quo hasn't worked for a long time. Things need to change.

I pray that Lenny Curry follows through on this promise, and that real change comes to both Jacksonville and the nation.



Also thought this quote was incredibly prescient.

By saying nothing, whether you intend to or not, you're saying something.




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