JJ, you explained the Jax city government in a nutshell on your lastest post; I agree that they're not progressive. Your first post was alot different; Excuse me for taking "we suck" as bashing Jax; That seems to go hand and hand. No, I'm not looking for "sugar and a cherry on top", but "we suck" seems to be like "salt in an infected wound". Don't get me wrong Raleigh seems to be on the right track, but the pics of Raleigh looks like most downtowns in "Anyplace USA" I'm not blown away buy no means. The new Convention center is the only thing that brings me a little envy. That being said Jax can definitely learn a thing or two from Raleigh. As I look in many parts of Jax, they continue to grow like on the Southside Westside, and Northside. To me that means alot; No the Westside is NOT the suburbs, it's in the city limits. To me that's more impressive for the city to fill out, then just constantly worrying about downtown in every realm. I know someone is gonna say "that happens everywhere", but I disagree with them. Most cites don't have the land to fill in their CITY LIMITS like Jax.