Author Topic: Just say no to density  (Read 5697 times)

Kerry

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2019, 08:04:12 AM »
Name one piece of property in America that has gone down in price as a result of increasing density.
Third Place

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2019, 08:41:35 AM »
F-me. Now I have to look at a bunch of Right Size San Marco yard signs. Clowns probably inherited their wealth. I hope the developers have influential contacts.


Have some signs made up that say:

DENSITY
    =
DESTINY

or, the other way around
DESTINY
   =
DENSITY

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2019, 11:57:11 AM »
Name one piece of property in America that has gone down in price as a result of increasing density.


Cabrini Greens

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2019, 11:59:01 AM »
This meeting is tonight at the scene of the proposed crime against San Marco that will ruin our lives.

I am hoping to attend but it is dicey.

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2019, 12:27:52 PM »
Question. Was this type of opposition present when the plan for East San Marco was 280 apartments in a 6-7 story structure? The current situation (ESM plus this project) appears to be significantly less density. Is there an appropriate scale or density level that this group would be fine with?
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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2019, 01:09:46 PM »
Question. Was this type of opposition present when the plan for East San Marco was 280 apartments in a 6-7 story structure? The current situation (ESM plus this project) appears to be significantly less density. Is there an appropriate scale or density level that this group would be fine with?

Keep in mind this outcry has been mostly driven by Mr Built a Million Dollar home that this development will be directly behind so it is difficult to tell. Despite the massive concern from this individual about saving the character of San Marco, I expect there would have been crickets from this individual, no web site, and no yard signs, if it wasn’t directly behind his house.

Tonight’s meeting should be very interesting to see what kind of response is there from people in general.

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2019, 02:36:11 PM »
Name one piece of property in America that has gone down in price as a result of increasing density.


Cabrini Greens

The property value of Cabrini Greens went down because of increasing density? Odd.
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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2019, 03:01:12 PM »
I think the joke is that the value of properties surrounding Cabrini-Greens went down as a result of their implementation. Their implementation also increased the residential density of the area. Hence an increase in density correlated with a decrease in property value.

This is likely meant as a joke, which I have now clearly explained and thus beaten to death and stolen all of the comedy out of.

On a serious note, the olden days of public housing were very poorly implemented and goe in the history books as dark eras, not applicable to the current discussion, thus furthering my suspicion that the comment of "Cabrini-Greens" was a joke.

I've really cracked the code of comedy now.

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2019, 03:15:11 PM »
I will be attending tonight and am hoping for a good show. I will be drinking beforehand. I expect that may not end up being the best decision but it is what it is.

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2019, 03:44:07 PM »
I will be attending tonight and am hoping for a good show. I will be drinking beforehand. I expect that may not end up being the best decision but it is what it is.

ooh! have your phone camera ready for any juicy moments, will you?

i like the idea of a drunken and localized version of CSPAN

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2019, 04:10:00 PM »
I will be attending tonight and am hoping for a good show. I will be drinking beforehand. I expect that may not end up being the best decision but it is what it is.

I have never been more disappointed that we moved away than at this moment right now.

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2019, 08:30:21 PM »
Wow. Where do I begin? First, I had to get out of there just in case the Question section continued with anymore insane rants as one woman...but I will get to that.

The meeting was packed...standing room only and a little too full for me...as I just don’t like people that much. It got off to a rough start as the first presenters from the development teams bowed down to the audience raving about San Marco...I live here..my family does...my great grandfather...we care so much about the community... blah blah blah..it’s just great. Just great! For a second there I thought I was going to have to do a secret handshake to prove I belonged or I was going to be escorted out.

I think the development looks good..but it is just a small apartment complex. I mean..to me this was a little ridiculous.Once again bowed down to the audience by showing various homes and raving about them. Most were hideous. But they were “inspired by them”...I may have laughed too loudly. There will now be apartments in front of the garage to help appease RightSizeSanMarco.

Then Doug Skiles came on and saved it for me since he is great. He pretty much blew away most of the issues and my favorite was simulating the view from Whatley park. I mean, the view from Whatley park is pretty much right up there with the Syrian refugee crisis from the locals who never use it except to walk a dog. I frequently see them looking up toward the Church admiring the view. Yeah, right. Essentially, it won’t change much.

Throughout the presentation you could almost sense the quiet tension that Doug tried to ease with some humor. Another highlight was Doug talking about what could be going there with no zoning change...much more intense. I found it hilarious. Also emphasized the public parking which is nice. Another hilarious concern was I guess people were concerned About access to the upper floor of the garages and who may be “hanging out”. The Huns? Yes, it will be secure only for residents. I am not making this up.

Now the questions. I actually got in line even though I had no question but figured I could come up with something and  felt I may need to break up the venom. To my surprise, the first old guy  had questions which were just asked it seemed to point out positives. I loved him. Probably a plant...maybe the developer’s father, but I don’t care.
Then came a self professed millennial ( of course...always has to announce they are one) and went on an on for what seemed like 4 hours I think about traffic ( I zoned out)and was dumb as a rock. Doug has the patience of jobe.
The highlight was the next woman who just ranted about all the apartments being built...hands on hips...cried about how  awful she felt for the poor million dollar home owners. Stormed off with a mad face!

When I left someone was talking about how the developers need to be honest! I think it was about traffic...not sure but I couldn’t take it anymore.

I expect some tweaks but am not worried about this being approved.




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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2019, 08:50:52 PM »
Thanks for the update.

I am disappointed though - no pitchforks?  What kind of Grill the Developer meeting was this?

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2019, 09:25:04 AM »
Thanks for the update.

I am disappointed though - no pitchforks?  What kind of Grill the Developer meeting was this?

From the vibe I got from the room and the applause meter throughout, I think there were a lot of mental pitchforks. I am hoping those that have a reasonably open mind had a more positive opinion of the project when they left.

There are just some( too many) that just don’t want any density projects at all. Which is fine. I am certainly not going to say they are wrong to feel that way. However, I do think they are a touch naive about change that is coming. A reality check is on its way.

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Re: Just say no to density
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2019, 09:47:22 AM »

I'm not sure I'm following things here.  Is this about a public meeting that involved rezoning?