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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2019, 11:35:56 AM »
I wonder if theyl will be feeding the homeless at their new location as well.

Pretty sure that FBC's homeless outreach is through the City Rescue Mission.
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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2019, 07:02:00 PM »
I wonder if theyl will be feeding the homeless at their new location as well.

Hopefully not. There's plenty of food available in Duval for the homeless, especially so Downtown.
I think he is talking about the new location on the Duval/St. Johns county border. Maybe they can open up a homeless shelter in Nocatee?

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2019, 08:41:03 PM »
This is huge!

Assuming a competent municipal government (oh dear…), this could be a massive boon for the city as a whole, given the enormous potential of so much square footage.

Between the spaces that could be transformed into apartments, offices, entertainment venues, and who knows what else (plus already existing parking for all of it), this could dwarf Lot J at a fraction of the cost.

But then again, Lenny Curry is mayor, so we could have 9 new grass lots in 5 years.
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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2019, 09:53:52 AM »
The need to rid itself of all that property is the best example I’ve seen in quite awhile of the chickens coming home to roost. FBC impeded the growth of downtown for years with its opposition to any proposal that included dispensation of alcohol or that might be a Sunday attraction to steal away its donors. Question: When the blocks to be disposed of are no longer used in any way do they lose their charitable exemption for real estate tax purposes?

With the eventual demolition of what is now the JEA building, that part of downtown will be badly in need of some expensive fixing.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2019, 10:14:53 PM »
Question: When the blocks to be disposed of are no longer used in any way do they lose their charitable exemption for real estate tax purposes?

My understanding is the real estate is tax exempt if it is owned by the church and used to support the mission of the church, such as for services, education, social, etc.  Even if the church owns it, if it is leased to a for-profit entity and/or used in a "money making" capacity, it would be subject to real estate taxes.  Of course, if they sell it to a for-profit entity, it's put on the tax rolls.  If FSCJ, UNF, JU, UF Shands, Mayo, a non-profit charter school or some other non-profit buys it, it likely will remain non-taxable.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2019, 11:41:44 AM »
Here comes the city!!! Trying to insert themselves in the sales decision. 

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/boyer-wants-master-planned-redevelopment-for-first-baptist-property-downtown

I love Boyer, but i don't think comments like these are helpful.

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“I know that any request to hold off for a while runs counter to their desire to move forward, so I don’t want to stop them from their plan,” Boyer said. “I want to figure out how we can work together on that and if there’s something that we can do. Maybe we do a RFP (request for proposals) for the master plan. I don’t know what form that might take.”

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“I just don’t want to lose the opportunity, and they may be working on that. I  don’t want to prejudge that they’re parceling it out individually,” Boyer said. “They may be looking for a master developer and a master plan themselves.”

If you don't have something solid to offer them, don't get involved.  Waiting for a master developer will likely slow this WAAAYYY down.  A school would be nice, but that's a ton of property in a CBD that is fairly small.  There may be some blocks that are better than others to group together, but I would hate for this to sit for 10 years because the city is encouraging FBC to wait for Amazon 3.0.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2019, 12:13:20 PM »
Yea, while I like what Boyer wants in concept, in reality I look at how well the City has done on these "Master Planned" things in the past (Shipyards, The District, etc.) and I don't get excited.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2019, 12:14:01 PM »
^Totally agree.

Stay out.

Let the free market do its job.

The city can do its part by offering smart incentives, not by adding in more red tape.

Economy's gonna cool sooner than later, city doesn't need to be a bottleneck.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2019, 12:14:49 PM »
Yea, while I like what Boyer wants in concept, in reality I look at how well the City has done on these "Master Planned" things in the past (Shipyards, The District, etc.) and I don't get excited.

There might actually be development at the Shipyards by now had the city parceled it out.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2019, 01:00:46 PM »
At the end of the day I think the church will probably do whatever fits their goals the best.  They're getting a $30M stop gap loan to cover construction of their new facilities.  Once they are out of the existing buildings I would imagine they will want to divest them as quickly as possible.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2019, 01:37:00 PM »
In this case, I desire that it be a private deal between private parties and welcome it being piecemealed. We have more than our fair share of master planned development sites still waiting for some development to happen, despite years of flashly renderings and press releases. Market-rate piecemealing can be a more inclusive, equitable and less time-consuming redevelopment process. It also helps the seller move on faster. Instead of master planning specifically for FBC's property, the city should do a general master plan for downtown as a whole and for all the underutilized properties it already has in its possession. No years long RFPs and the like for this one. Let it be.
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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2019, 01:39:27 PM »
Yea, while I like what Boyer wants in concept, in reality I look at how well the City has done on these "Master Planned" things in the past (Shipyards, The District, etc.) and I don't get excited.

There might WOULD actually be development at the Shipyards by now had the city parceled it out.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2019, 06:23:32 PM »
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/first-baptist-church-hires-cbre-jacksonville-to-market-downtown-property

Good sign, they have enlisted the services of CBRE. The article also mentions that two smaller buildings are under contract. Presumably one is the Florida baptist convention building by JWB. I wonder what the other smaller building under contract is and by whom.

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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2019, 06:49:42 PM »
They don't own the Florida Baptist Convention Building.
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Re: First Baptist to Downsize Downtown Campus
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2019, 07:08:14 PM »
Touché, I wonder who the two smaller buildings are under contract by then.