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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2019, 12:52:44 PM »
If the house could be kept then great, but it for sure should not be used as office space.  It needs to be a single family home, a rooming house, or a bed and breakfast.  Heck, an Airbnb is better than another Law or Insurance office.

Aren't you the one that talked about Jacksonville is overzoned? What do you care what they use it for as long as it isn't a Meth House?

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2019, 12:54:11 PM »
Parking requirements is a whole other issue.  Nearly every city worth their salt has either eliminated them or are in the process of doing so.  As long as government mandates that the automobile is a primary design requirement all we are going to get are places designed for cars.

This map is already 4 years old but you can see how many cities are at least 4 years ahead of us.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2015/11/18/a-map-of-cities-that-got-rid-of-parking-minimums


The definition of a Green Pin on this map is, "parking minimums completely eliminated in at least one area of the city." By that definition Jacksonville should have a green pin as Downtown no longer has parking minimums as of last week.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2019, 01:43:10 PM »
^If folks want (some of) the buildings torn down, I suppose they could make the new owners an offer and then do what they want with the site. But good luck getting approvals without parking. That's what happened to Spirit Animal.

Parking requirements is a whole other issue.  Nearly every city worth their salt has either eliminated them or are in the process of doing so.  As long as government mandates that the automobile is a primary design requirement all we are going to get are places designed for cars.

This map is already 4 years old but you can see how many cities are at least 4 years ahead of us.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2015/11/18/a-map-of-cities-that-got-rid-of-parking-minimums

If the house could be kept then great, but it for sure should not be used as office space.  It needs to be a single family home, a rooming house, or a bed and breakfast.  Heck, an Airbnb is better than another Law or Insurance office.

These 'cities worth their salt' didn't eliminate parking minimums throughout their entire city. They were eliminated, or reduced, in certain neighborhoods. In Jax, downtown now has zero parking minimums... and the neighborhood in question (Riverside) has a reduction in parking depending on various factors.  Does Riverside's parking reduction go far enough? Not really.... but the dumpster fire you are spewing on a keyboard is ridiculous and has zero understanding of context.


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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2019, 01:48:55 PM »
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but would also not be at all disappointed if everything other than the Row house at 1571 was knocked down and replaced with a denser, marquee mixed-use development fronting and complementing our city's premier urban park.

That would then trip a whole new set of parking deviations, and would likely render this project dead. See:

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^If folks want (some of) the buildings torn down, I suppose they could make the new owners an offer and then do what they want with the site. But good luck getting approvals without parking. That's what happened to Spirit Animal.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2019, 02:51:17 PM »
Parking requirements is a whole other issue.  Nearly every city worth their salt has either eliminated them or are in the process of doing so.  As long as government mandates that the automobile is a primary design requirement all we are going to get are places designed for cars.

This map is already 4 years old but you can see how many cities are at least 4 years ahead of us.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2015/11/18/a-map-of-cities-that-got-rid-of-parking-minimums


The definition of a Green Pin on this map is, "parking minimums completely eliminated in at least one area of the city." By that definition Jacksonville should have a green pin as Downtown no longer has parking minimums as of last week.

I guess I missed that, but good deal.  Thanks for letting me know.
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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2019, 02:57:54 PM »
If the house could be kept then great, but it for sure should not be used as office space.  It needs to be a single family home, a rooming house, or a bed and breakfast.  Heck, an Airbnb is better than another Law or Insurance office.

Aren't you the one that talked about Jacksonville is overzoned? What do you care what they use it for as long as it isn't a Meth House?

Back in the 80's homes were allowed to be used for businesses in order to save them from abandonment and eventual rot.  That isn't the case today.  Residential structures should be returned to residential uses and office space built for businesses.  If this one house was sacrificed and replaced with an office building that contained space for 6 businesses, that could potentially free up 6 other Riverside houses currently being used as businesses to return to housing.
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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2019, 03:30:49 PM »
Reductions in parking aren't just based on whims or random articles on the internet. They are founded on data and analysis. Sometimes a parking demand statement will show that when the ITE parking generation standards are applied to a site, they result in a lower demand than required by the code. Sometimes a municipality can create reductions in parking in a defined area based on oversupply of on-street or public parking (Downtown's case) or when public transit reduces dependence on the automobile. Sometimes (in larger mixed use developments) reductions in parking can be granted when internal uses have different peak demands, shown through a shared parking analysis.

It's unlikely that any of those type of arguments can be made on the site. Also, due to the site's irregular geometry and need to preserve at least 2 buildings, it's unlikely and maybe impossible to design any kind of parking deck. You probably don't even have room to ramp up to rooftop parking on a new building either. Not that that is a good solution anyways.

From a quick eyeball of the site, the only real option to intensify the project in today's autocentric world is to create a stacked parking structure with three lifts (which triples surface parking and is half the price of a garage), or arrange an off-site parking agreement. However, there are virtually no surface lots nearby and nobody would want to encumber surface parking with high land values in the immediate area. 

Not sure how prevalent stacked parking is in Jacksonville today, but is becoming an increasingly popular alternative to parking decks in areas with high redevelopment value. The problem is you essentially have to have permanent valet surface to operate them and they do not work in high turnover retail environments. So probably not an ideal solution here. Long story short, adding intensity to the site is a challenge.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2019, 03:35:02 PM »
^Fantastic breakdown!

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2019, 03:59:09 PM »
They should just tear it all down and build something with better density.  They are getting a ridiculously low amount of floor space for all the land being taken up and way to much surface space being used for parking.  Would it kill Jax to get some Brownstones or Row Houses?

I came to the comments first to see what negative comments Kerry would make.... he didn't disappoint.

Someone has to push for better because no one else is doing it.  Not at the City level, the developer level, or even on this board.  Just a bunch people fine with the status quo or so set in mediocrity that anyone demanding better is just a complainer.  Lakelander posts lots of articles about cities in the region which are doing amazing things and creating places people want to live, work, and visit.  Here in Jax we get all excited about some new coats of paint and signage on some buildings adjacent to an Olmsted Park.  You know how many places would kill for an Olmsted Park and we can't even keep our maintained, let alone use it as designed.  It is a long time past due that Jax steps it up.

http://www.olmsted.org/the-olmsted-legacy/about-the-olmsted-legacy

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Beginning in 1857 with the design for Central Park in New York City, Frederick Law Olmsted (1822–1903), his sons and successor firm created designs for more than 6,000 landscapes across North America, including many of the world's most important parks. Olmsted’s remarkable design legacy includes Prospect Park in Brooklyn, Boston’s Emerald Necklace, Biltmore Estate in Asheville, North Carolina, Mount Royal in Montreal, the grounds of the United States Capitol and the White House, and Washington Park, Jackson Park and the World’s Columbian Exposition of 1893 in Chicago. Olmsted’s sons were founding members of the American Society of Landscape Architects and played an influential role in the creation of the National Park Service.

From Buffalo to Louisville, Atlanta to Seattle, Baltimore to Los Angeles, the Olmsteds’ work reflects a vision of American communities and American society still relevant today—a commitment to visually compelling and accessible green space that restores and nurtures the body and spirit of all people, regardless of their economic circumstances. The Olmsteds believed in the restorative value of landscape and that parks can bring social improvement by promoting a greater sense of community and providing recreational opportunities, especially in urban environments.

Memorial Park was designed by Olmsted's sons.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2019, 04:06:47 PM »
^If folks want (some of) the buildings torn down, I suppose they could make the new owners an offer and then do what they want with the site. But good luck getting approvals without parking. That's what happened to Spirit Animal.

Urban Transition Area - would be MUCH easier to get through.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2019, 04:19:02 PM »
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Someone has to push for better because no one else is doing it.  Not at the City level, the developer level, or even on this board.  Just a bunch people fine with the status quo or so set in mediocrity that anyone demanding better is just a complainer.

Says the guy that literally spends all day complaining on a message board.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2019, 04:59:56 PM »
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Someone has to push for better because no one else is doing it.  Not at the City level, the developer level, or even on this board.  Just a bunch people fine with the status quo or so set in mediocrity that anyone demanding better is just a complainer.

Says the guy that literally spends all day complaining on a message board.

Yeah, but you should have seen OKC before Kerry started blowing up AOL on his Commodore 64.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2019, 05:28:50 PM »
Tear down building 2, move building 3 next to 1 on Riverside ave preserving the two historic structures there.  Then you have a nice large frontage on Memorial Park drive to build multi use facing the park with parking in the back.
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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2019, 05:58:35 PM »
^If folks want (some of) the buildings torn down, I suppose they could make the new owners an offer and then do what they want with the site. But good luck getting approvals without parking. That's what happened to Spirit Animal.

Urban Transition Area - would be MUCH easier to get through.

I love that you believe that.

This was the specific reason the Black Sheep building got approved. I was in the green room for this one and it would have been denied had it been across the street.

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Re: Riverside Village Development Coming To Memorial Park
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2019, 05:59:03 PM »
I think the plan to leverage the tree canopy and create a courtyard type atmosphere has merit. There does necessarily need to be brick and mortar to activate a space.

Converting the 1551 building and surrounding land into something like the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas would be much more energizing than a row of brownstones. Now whether or not it would be allowed is a whole other story.

http://katyicehouse.com/gallery.html#content