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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2019, 12:38:28 PM »
Keep it where it is, but please find a way to connect the Skyway to it!  Love to get on that thing on Sunday and ride it to the stadium.
Then home (or anywhere within a few blocks).

Will the U2C even have the capacity to serve a crowd at a stadium event? Those little AVs only carry around 12 people max and go around 15 to 25mph. To serve a stadium event, they'd congest a viaduct-less Gator Bowl Boulevard, traveling in mixed-traffic with auto drivers trying to get out of there.
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #106 on: January 18, 2019, 12:49:15 PM »
Drop off near the baseball stadium?  Any way to make it work?

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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #107 on: January 18, 2019, 01:06:30 PM »
Keep it where it is, but please find a way to connect the Skyway to it!  Love to get on that thing on Sunday and ride it to the stadium.
Then home (or anywhere within a few blocks).

Will the U2C even have the capacity to serve a crowd at a stadium event? Those little AVs only carry around 12 people max and go around 15 to 25mph. To serve a stadium event, they'd congest a viaduct-less Gator Bowl Boulevard, traveling in mixed-traffic with auto drivers trying to get out of there.

I honestly don't even know if they could serve a crowd at a Jumbo Shrimp game.

JTA is planning 15 clown cars for the JRTC-to-Stadium District corridor.

The clown cars they demonstrated had a max capacity of 12 riders.

In mixed traffic, on event days, those things aren't going to get anywhere near 25 mph.

Assuming two full trips along the corridor an hour, we're talking a max capacity of 360 riders an hour, if every car is fully packed.

The stadium seats nearly 70,000.

With capacity like that, it's going to be ECFH.*

*Every clown for himself.

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« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2019, 01:18:13 PM »
^P.S. Not that we're comparing, but Charlotte's Lynx can carry 480 passengers max per trip on gameday, at 65 mph, with 10-minute headways due to not operating in mixed traffic (and not being a network of clown cars).

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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2019, 01:36:53 PM »
Drop off near the baseball stadium?  Any way to make it work?

Dedicated ROW and higher capacity vehicles.
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2019, 01:39:58 PM »
There are a million places in Jax to build a new stadium.  The actual footprint of the stadium really isn't that large.  I vote for Northern St Johns County or Yulledinaville.

Do you think the Jags are going to invest all this money around the stadium/lot J/Shipyards just to ask to have a new one built in Yulee?  I don't think so.  This stadium will be renovated...

What money?  All I've heard so far is how much the City needs to kick in.  Khan can't even find a tennant.
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2019, 01:41:23 PM »
Keep it where it is, but please find a way to connect the Skyway to it!  Love to get on that thing on Sunday and ride it to the stadium.
Then home (or anywhere within a few blocks).

Will the U2C even have the capacity to serve a crowd at a stadium event? Those little AVs only carry around 12 people max and go around 15 to 25mph. To serve a stadium event, they'd congest a viaduct-less Gator Bowl Boulevard, traveling in mixed-traffic with auto drivers trying to get out of there.

I honestly don't even know if they could serve a crowd at a Jumbo Shrimp game.

JTA is planning 15 clown cars for the JRTC-to-Stadium District corridor.

The clown cars they demonstrated had a max capacity of 12 riders.

In mixed traffic, on event days, those things aren't going to get anywhere near 25 mph.

Assuming two full trips along the corridor an hour, we're talking a max capacity of 360 riders an hour, if every car is fully packed.

The stadium seats nearly 70,000.

With capacity like that, it's going to be ECFH.*

*Every clown for himself.

The BUILD grant says they'll average 15 mph. Sounds more like a demonstration project than a real transit solution.

https://www.jtafla.com/build-grant/

Concept Plans:
https://www.jtafla.com/media/1712/bay-st-innovation-corridor-concept-plans-build-grant.pdf
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2019, 09:45:15 AM »
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"...Streetcar is not a good fit in Jacksonville" JTA

WHY?
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2019, 02:57:16 PM »
Because JTA is a state agency.  If most of those cities above left their local transportation up to their State government many of them wouldn't have streetcars either.  In many cases State government has actively tried to kill rail transit.
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #114 on: January 21, 2019, 03:15:35 PM »
^The Bay Street thing is probably less JTA and more COJ. I would not be surprised if Curry and Khan don't want to take time rebuilding Gator Bowl Boulevard to accommodate dedicated lanes. At this point, outside of razing the ramps to make more land for development, it doesn't seem like they're going to do much with Gator Bowl Boulevard.
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #115 on: January 21, 2019, 05:37:44 PM »
Well, I doubt any of it happens anyhow.  New/retrofit stadium, Lot J, Shipyards, convention center, and who know what else, and the City can't even get the railing rebuilt at Memorial Park.  The ramps might come down but that will be it, and honestly, I would prefer if that was all that happened.
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #116 on: January 21, 2019, 09:22:35 PM »
Because JTA is a state agency.  If most of those cities above left their local transportation up to their State government many of them wouldn't have streetcars either.  In many cases State government has actively tried to kill rail transit.

JTA is not a state agency - it is an independent authority created by state legislation.

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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #117 on: January 21, 2019, 10:32:09 PM »
Because JTA is a state agency.  If most of those cities above left their local transportation up to their State government many of them wouldn't have streetcars either.  In many cases State government has actively tried to kill rail transit.

JTA is not a state agency - it is an independent authority created by state legislation.

https://www.jtafla.com/about-jta/

Who are we?
The Jacksonville Transportation Authority, an independent state agency serving Duval County, has multi-modal responsibilities
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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2019, 09:55:41 AM »
About JTA? I've always thought that part of the problem is in the nomenclature. Take a bunch (largely) of local's and good ol' boys, sprinkle a very few outside professionals in whatever your latest pipe dream and call them an 'AUTHORITY.' Then from within, shower them with accolades and rewards for said pipe dream and you've created a self aggrandizing beast. Without true progressive mass transit thinking using world proven solutions, we're dead in the water now and forever.

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Re: Jaguars New Stadium?
« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2019, 10:11:57 AM »
Because JTA is a state agency.  If most of those cities above left their local transportation up to their State government many of them wouldn't have streetcars either.  In many cases State government has actively tried to kill rail transit.

JTA is not a state agency - it is an independent authority created by state legislation.

https://www.jtafla.com/about-jta/

Who are we?
The Jacksonville Transportation Authority, an independent state agency serving Duval County, has multi-modal responsibilities

Holy crap guys - talk about splitting hairs. Yes, the JTA is known as one of the "Independent Agencies", like JAXPORT, JAA, etc. It was created through state level legislation. But yes, it's different legislatively than say FDOT.