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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #420 on: April 17, 2019, 03:58:56 PM »
The Power & Light District is such a bad comparison. It's one or two blocks from the center of DT Kansas City. If measured from our BOA Tower, it would be like building Lot J on Main Street in the parking lot next to Burrito Gallery.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #421 on: April 17, 2019, 04:05:39 PM »
The Power & Light District is such a bad comparison. It's one or two blocks from the center of DT Kansas City. If measured from our BOA Tower, it would be like building Lot J on Main Street in the parking lot next to Burrito Gallery.

Exactly!!!  If Khan was serious about development and not handouts he would build his vision as close to downtown as possible.  Building next to the stadium is stupid, from a development point of view.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #422 on: April 17, 2019, 04:10:17 PM »
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Lamping said the Power & Light District, a Cordish project in Kansas City, Missouri, attracted the headquarters for H&R Block. H&R Block Center brought 1,600 employees from a half-dozen locations into a 17-story high-rise tower and a smaller structure.

The district comprises housing, offices and entertainment.

Those almost 2,000 jobs, Lamping said, created opportunities. “Once you get that, a lot of things can follow.”

My question is then, who brings circa 2k employees from the suburbs or from another city or country or whatever?

No one does.  While Jax does have employers with numbers that greatly exceed those, they are almost all back office operations that specifically located in Jax for cheap land, cheap rent, and cheap labor.  You don't rebuild an urban core on that strategy.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #423 on: April 17, 2019, 04:19:35 PM »
The Power & Light District is such a bad comparison. It's one or two blocks from the center of DT Kansas City. If measured from our BOA Tower, it would be like building Lot J on Main Street in the parking lot next to Burrito Gallery.

Exactly!!!  If Khan was serious about development and not handouts he would build his vision as close to downtown as possible.  Building next to the stadium is stupid, from a development point of view.

If they want to build at the stadium, they just need to be realistic with the comparisons. Xfinity Live is a more appropriate example. However, that pales in comparison of visual and economic impact on the surrounding area.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #424 on: April 17, 2019, 04:22:44 PM »
Bricktown should be a better comparison than the P&L IMO given its distance from the immediate core of the DT area in OKC, but even Bricktown has a reasonable reliance on a corporate presence (Sonic HQ). The fact 2+ years in all they have to show ideas wise was desperately pinning their hopes to JEA strikes me as terrible planning, and JEA was basically reshuffling the deckchairs given they were already in the area.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #425 on: April 17, 2019, 04:32:41 PM »
I don't even think Bricktown is a good comparison - it is directly adjacent to downtown OKC and has at least 10 hotels and a 30 year head start.

Also, there are more companies in Bricktown than just Sonic.  There are several software companies, at least 1 oil company, an architecture firm, and several other random companies.  Not to mention Bricktown is on two streetcar routes, at the junction of 3 interstates, 1 mile from OU Medical and the State Capitol, and easy walking distance from +2000 residents.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #426 on: April 17, 2019, 04:52:28 PM »
I don't see how Bricktown can't be the vision, but without the meat and potatoes daily users, i.e. office workers and residents its going to be much harder to make it a success and they do not seem capable of attracting a corporate presence at all thus far, its all very half baked. IIRC they initially announced office development as part of Lot J then announced a rushed bid for JEA in a low rise building that was not part of the initial design. People going to sports games or concerts aren't using stores or getting something to eat or coffee on a Tuesday afternoon to sustain these places. I await tomorrow with bated breath. Getting very sceptical about it all.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #427 on: April 17, 2019, 05:36:47 PM »
That's why they want the Hart Bridge ramp gone. Those properties need direct access to the extra expressway traffic to be more viable for development and everyday use.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #428 on: April 17, 2019, 05:54:38 PM »
I'm all for removing the ramps but it is going to take a lot more than that.  There are no ramps on Riverside through Brooklyn and there are 3 empty restaurant sites and 1 that closes at 2pm - and there are 1000 residents within 2 blocks.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #429 on: April 18, 2019, 07:52:25 AM »
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Back in October Lamping said they were close to inking a deal with the City.  What happened to that deal?

My thoughts are they were waiting on the election to be over with because there is potential for backlash when the cost is disclosed.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #430 on: April 18, 2019, 08:24:55 AM »
I'm all for removing the ramps but it is going to take a lot more than that.  There are no ramps on Riverside through Brooklyn and there are 3 empty restaurant sites and 1 that closes at 2pm - and there are 1000 residents within 2 blocks.

River City Marketplace built in a spot with very little immediate residential population base. It's packed full of autocentric retail. However, what it does have is high visibility and direct access to I-95, making it a regional draw for the northside of town. While the Hart Bridge Expressway pales in comparison, it is a highway connecting downtown and the urban core with the Southside and Beaches. Having that access to traffic that will drive through there regardless of if there is a special event going on or not is critical for development around the stadium.

I also don't have a problem with removing the ramp for that to happen. However, let downtown benefit from the extra traffic too. Close the rest of the ramp and funnel the majority of traffic through Bay Street.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #431 on: April 18, 2019, 10:23:24 AM »
Four words about that idea: State and Union Streets.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #432 on: April 18, 2019, 10:36:31 AM »
Four words about that idea: State and Union Streets.

What about them?
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #433 on: April 18, 2019, 10:43:42 AM »
Glad someone mentioned State and Union. They're two high traffic corridors that we certainly have not taken advantage of. There have been market rate projects that have taken place along them over the years but little oversight has been given to making sure they best fit into a plan that makes that corridor more pedestrian friendly.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #434 on: July 09, 2019, 08:58:33 AM »
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