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Kerry

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #375 on: October 19, 2018, 03:44:43 PM »
https://www.jaguars.com/news/mark-lamping-on-wembley-jacksonville-drives-the-jaguars-20584844

“For the Jaguars, it would deliver another – and very significant – asset and local revenue source that would further strengthen our investment in London, which as everyone knows is crucial to the Jaguars’ continued sustainability in Jacksonville,” Khan said in a statement.


Now what happens?
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #376 on: October 19, 2018, 03:55:46 PM »
We were told multiple times that the Wimbly deal was the only thing keeping the Jags in Jax.

We were? Can you provide a single quote of this?

Now, what I heard (and was published by Khan two days ago) was that London was critically important to the Jaguars financial success in Jacksonville (and the Jaguars evidence to this fact is fairly strong). London isn't the same thing as buying Wembley.

You are correct that literally no one was saying that Wembley was the only thing keeping the Jags here. However the idea that the Jags would not be "financially successful" if not for London is crap. All NFL teams print their own money at this point, and the city has always been willing to work with the team on the improvements they want.

I agree with you that yes, he Jaguars would likely be profitable without London. With that said, it's never good to be at the bottom of the NFL's revenue pool. The NFL's economic model is basically Socialism, with revenue sharing on almost everything (premium seats and local sponsorships are the main exceptions). If the Jaguars are near the bottom of the league in one of the smallest markets, that isn't an ideal in the Billionaire Boys club.

Should we just give Khan whatever he wants? No. But, Jacksonville is going to have to overachieve somehow to try to close the gap.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #377 on: October 19, 2018, 03:56:42 PM »
https://www.jaguars.com/news/mark-lamping-on-wembley-jacksonville-drives-the-jaguars-20584844

“For the Jaguars, it would deliver another – and very significant – asset and local revenue source that would further strengthen our investment in London, which as everyone knows is crucial to the Jaguars’ continued sustainability in Jacksonville,” Khan said in a statement.


Now what happens?

You're missing something. Just because he withdrew his offer to play at Wembley doesn't mean that the team can't play in London. They've played in London for a while now without owning the team.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #378 on: October 19, 2018, 05:09:56 PM »
"............ whether the Jags want a new stadium................"


How about a few winning seasons IN A ROW first.

(Will they take the scoreboards with them?)

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #379 on: October 19, 2018, 05:45:41 PM »
The NFL's economic model is basically Socialism, with revenue sharing on almost everything (premium seats and local sponsorships are the main exceptions).


Tell that to the workers - the players. Revenue sharing by capitalists isn't even remotely socialism.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #380 on: October 19, 2018, 05:55:53 PM »
"............ whether the Jags want a new stadium................"


How about a few winning seasons IN A ROW first.

(Will they take the scoreboards with them?)

If you watch the clip, a reporter asked the new stadium question, and Lamping gave a really good answer to the question about why a new stadium doesn't really make sense for the market.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #381 on: October 19, 2018, 09:33:39 PM »
The NFL's economic model is basically Socialism, with revenue sharing on almost everything (premium seats and local sponsorships are the main exceptions).


Tell that to the workers - the players. Revenue sharing by capitalists isn't even remotely socialism.

If you study the economic revenue sharing by the 32 owners, it is. Not talking about the players cut.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #382 on: October 19, 2018, 09:51:06 PM »
We were told multiple times that the Wimbly deal was the only thing keeping the Jags in Jax.

We were? Can you provide a single quote of this?

Now, what I heard (and was published by Khan two days ago) was that London was critically important to the Jaguars financial success in Jacksonville (and the Jaguars evidence to this fact is fairly strong). London isn't the same thing as buying Wembley.

I think a lot people aren't quite getting that part of it.  We're still committed to playing at least one home game in London until 2020.  I posted this in a Jag group earlier and here's where I'm at with it:
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Even though Khan bailed on Wembley, I don't see this dying down anytime soon. Sorry about the long-ish read, but I'd like to throw my opinion out there to give you guys/gals something to think about.

The media is grasping for low-hanging fruit as always and to write a story that ties the Jags moving to London doesn't take any brain power at all. It's something most 11th graders can do.

Here, let me shed some light for you:

There are 2 stadiums in England right now.
There is a lot of interest in Germany - right now.
The only way to truly make it work overseas is to have multiple teams at home.
The NFL and the NFLPA don't go to the table until 2020.
The NFL wants to expand - not relocate.

If anyone wants a team in London, they would make exponentially more money by creating a startup rather than relocating. Assume an initial $1B to startup, and once they become part of the league in London - team value automatically jumps to ~$5B-7B.

What Khan is trying to do is get ahead of the curve and own one of the two stadiums. I truly think his ultimate goal would be just what you've read - base the Jags out of Jax and have a 2-game homestand in London.

That accomplishes 2 things: 1. If the numbers stay the same, he makes upwards of 30-35% of the yearly revenue on just 2 games. 2. By having fewer games here, the demand 'should' go up, therefore increasing the revenue made at home also.

And this is based on a 16 games season. I believe if we were to have another expansion of teams, then 18 games is absolutely on the table. And more games in 'his' stadium means more money for 'our' team.

If he can't keep the Jags there as the psuedo "Home" team, then he will lease it out to whomever plays there. Just like Kronke. Just like Mara.

IMO, best case, things stay the same, we have our home game overseas and play an 'away' there, too in Tottenham in back to back weeks. Worst case is that the team splits 5-5 and has a US schedule coupled with a Euro schedule. Either way, for no other reason than taxes (we're talking hundreds of millions per year between ownership and players and staff, etc...), Khan will keep the Jags in Jax for the foreseeable future.

I don't think that the schedule will increase to 18 games anytime soon. The owners would have to make a lot of other concessions in the next CBA.

I agree that the next step for the Jags/NFL is to have them play in back to back weeks in London. I think that it is likely in 2019 with the Jags scheduled to play the AFC West. Both the Raiders and Chargers are in temporary homes. So, I assume that they would be fine giving up a home game.

Until Khan and Spurs Chairman workout their issues, the easiest solution is for the Jags to play a pre-season game in London against one of the other teams that are giving up a home game. Khan in return should send Fulham on a US Tour over here for a pre-season matches at TIAA. An EPL team on pre-season tour would generate much more revenue for the city than a pre-season game.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #383 on: October 20, 2018, 10:19:42 AM »
The NFL's economic model is basically Socialism, with revenue sharing on almost everything (premium seats and local sponsorships are the main exceptions).


Tell that to the workers - the players. Revenue sharing by capitalists isn't even remotely socialism.

If you study the economic revenue sharing by the 32 owners, it is. Not talking about the players cut.

The NFL basically operates as a cartel. There is nothing 'socialist' about profit-sharing between capitalists.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/01/14/why-american-sports-are-organised-as-cartels/#56c5f3f872a4
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #384 on: October 20, 2018, 03:43:44 PM »
I agree that the next step for the Jags/NFL is to have them play in back to back weeks in London. I think that it is likely in 2019 with the Jags scheduled to play the AFC West. Both the Raiders and Chargers are in temporary homes. So, I assume that they would be fine giving up a home game.

Until Khan and Spurs Chairman workout their issues, the easiest solution is for the Jags to play a pre-season game in London against one of the other teams that are giving up a home game. Khan in return should send Fulham on a US Tour over here for a pre-season matches at TIAA. An EPL team on pre-season tour would generate much more revenue for the city than a pre-season game.

That's mighty kind of you to call Fulham an EPL team. As a fan I appreciate the compliment, but we squandered our chance to even beat lowly Cardiff today... :-[

I agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised if we have a back-to-back in London next year. I think it would have to be a home and away game...dont think Khan is quite ready to take away a second home game from Jax.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #385 on: October 24, 2018, 12:12:33 AM »
My guess - Khan has worked out a relocation package that doesn't require him to own the stadium.  Team is winning - offer to buy stadium withdrawn - team loses.  Coincidence?
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #386 on: October 24, 2018, 08:40:39 AM »
My guess - Khan has worked out a relocation package that doesn't require him to own the stadium.  Team is winning - offer to buy stadium withdrawn - team loses.  Coincidence?

I just want to make sure I understand.

The team is losing because Khan isn't buying Wembley?

Like intentionally?

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #387 on: October 24, 2018, 08:46:47 AM »
My guess - Khan has worked out a relocation package that doesn't require him to own the stadium.  Team is winning - offer to buy stadium withdrawn - team loses.  Coincidence?

Please tell me you don't believe this. If you seriously do, I'd suggest calling the FBI. Given the amount of money that's gambled on professional sports in multiple states, if you have reason to believe the Jaguars are throwing games (or at least trying to lose a la the Cleveland Indians in Major League) then you should report that as a crime.

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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #388 on: October 24, 2018, 11:12:49 AM »
The team is losing because they aren't very good. IMHO Coughlin and company tried to build an old school team in the modern NFL which doesn't work anymore.

Fournette, huge contracts to Linder and Norwell, are holdovers from an era where the power running game won Super Bowls. We have no move tight end no receiver to move the safeties out of the box and a QB that is mentally weak when crap goes wrong. The current rule set even if the defense plays amazing leaves this team as 8 - 8, maybe 9 - 7 in a weak division. Time to move on.
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Re: Jaguars State of the Franchise 2018
« Reply #389 on: October 24, 2018, 11:20:24 AM »
My guess - Khan has worked out a relocation package that doesn't require him to own the stadium.  Team is winning - offer to buy stadium withdrawn - team loses.  Coincidence?

Please tell me you don't believe this. If you seriously do, I'd suggest calling the FBI. Given the amount of money that's gambled on professional sports in multiple states, if you have reason to believe the Jaguars are throwing games (or at least trying to lose a la the Cleveland Indians in Major League) then you should report that as a crime.

No I don't actually believe it.  But it does make one wonder how teams can be perpetually bad.
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