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Steve

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Re: JAX/JIA updates
« Reply #135 on: November 06, 2018, 12:56:42 PM »
The new JAA CEO looks to be Mark VanLoh, currently the head of the Tulsa Airport.

Tulsa’s airport is interesting. They are American Airlines global maintenance hub, but other than that it’s a smaller operation than JAX. I was hoping they pulled someone from an airport that had a history of adding some major routes. But, I don’t know the guy and he could be a rock star.

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« Reply #136 on: November 06, 2018, 01:43:32 PM »
I know its a little off subject but I came across this great pictorial article about JIA from 1960's-1990's.  A lot of the pics brought up great memories of the place.  It's hard to believe all of the direct/non-stop destinations that JAX used to serve. 

https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-history-1960s-1970s.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-1970-1974.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-1975-1979.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-international-airport-history-1980s.html

This is an old Airport Guide from the 80's.  Definitely more flights out west were available back then.  Get a load of the parking prices too!

https://www.sunshineskies.com/jax-airport-guide-1980.html
 

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« Reply #137 on: November 06, 2018, 02:19:40 PM »
The new JAA CEO looks to be Mark VanLoh, currently the head of the Tulsa Airport.

Tulsa’s airport is interesting. They are American Airlines global maintenance hub, but other than that it’s a smaller operation than JAX. I was hoping they pulled someone from an airport that had a history of adding some major routes. But, I don’t know the guy and he could be a rock star.

Maybe Jax is looking to become a maintenance hub for someone.
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« Reply #138 on: November 06, 2018, 02:42:21 PM »
I know its a little off subject but I came across this great pictorial article about JIA from 1960's-1990's.  A lot of the pics brought up great memories of the place.  It's hard to believe all of the direct/non-stop destinations that JAX used to serve. 

https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-history-1960s-1970s.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-1970-1974.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-1975-1979.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-international-airport-history-1980s.html

This is an old Airport Guide from the 80's.  Definitely more flights out west were available back then.  Get a load of the parking prices too!

https://www.sunshineskies.com/jax-airport-guide-1980.html

Flying used to be a lot easier and way more enjoyable.  Prior to deregulation there were far more airlines with even more destinations.  The nice thing too was a ticket was good on any airline if they had space.  I remember flying from Oklahoma City to West Palm Beach many years ago and we got to the airport several hours early.  When we checked in at American Airline the agent told us there was a United flight that was boarding if we wanted to get our trip started 2 hours earlier.  We said yes and the American agent got us tickets on the United flight and away we went.  We just connected in Houston instead Dallas.

Even as recently as 10 years ago there were still lots of airlines compared to now.  TWA, America West, Northwest , US Air, Air South, Continental, AirTran, Value Jet, ATA, and countless others have been merged or went out of business.

Of course deregulation played a huge role but so did corporate greed, pilot strikes, air traffic controller strikes, and I'm sure abandoning the 55mph speed limit in 1994 even played a role.  Could you image driving to Tallahassee at a maximum speed of 55mph? It would take forever.
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Re: JAX/JIA updates
« Reply #139 on: November 06, 2018, 03:01:28 PM »
The new JAA CEO looks to be Mark VanLoh, currently the head of the Tulsa Airport.

Tulsa’s airport is interesting. They are American Airlines global maintenance hub, but other than that it’s a smaller operation than JAX. I was hoping they pulled someone from an airport that had a history of adding some major routes. But, I don’t know the guy and he could be a rock star.

Maybe Jax is looking to become a maintenance hub for someone.

It could play well for Cecil, certainly. that would be the ideal place for a maintenance hub for us compared to JAX.

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« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2018, 03:10:05 PM »
I know its a little off subject but I came across this great pictorial article about JIA from 1960's-1990's.  A lot of the pics brought up great memories of the place.  It's hard to believe all of the direct/non-stop destinations that JAX used to serve. 

https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-history-1960s-1970s.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-1970-1974.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-airport-1975-1979.html
https://www.sunshineskies.com/jacksonville-international-airport-history-1980s.html

This is an old Airport Guide from the 80's.  Definitely more flights out west were available back then.  Get a load of the parking prices too!

https://www.sunshineskies.com/jax-airport-guide-1980.html

Flying used to be a lot easier and way more enjoyable.  Prior to deregulation there were far more airlines with even more destinations.  The nice thing too was a ticket was good on any airline if they had space.  I remember flying from Oklahoma City to West Palm Beach many years ago and we got to the airport several hours early.  When we checked in at American Airline the agent told us there was a United flight that was boarding if we wanted to get our trip started 2 hours earlier.  We said yes and the American agent got us tickets on the United flight and away we went.  We just connected in Houston instead Dallas.

Even as recently as 10 years ago there were still lots of airlines compared to now.  TWA, America West, Northwest , US Air, Air South, Continental, AirTran, Value Jet, ATA, and countless others have been merged or went out of business.

Of course deregulation played a huge role but so did corporate greed, pilot strikes, air traffic controller strikes, and I'm sure abandoning the 55mph speed limit in 1994 even played a role.  Could you image driving to Tallahassee at a maximum speed of 55mph? It would take forever.

I think the low cost carriers and the overall market in general really created the pain. As an example: Right now a plane ticket from JAX to New York in January (60ish days out), and it's cold there. The cost is about $250. That same plane ticket in 1985? $250 or more. Air travel has come down in price dramatically, yet every other hard cost an airline incurs has increased many fold.

At one point in 2008 when oil was over $100/barrel, AA was losing $3M....a DAY. Obviously that was the extreme but the airlines in the 2000s (particularly the old legacy ones) had to figure out how to adapt. they adapted through market share and consolidation, which is why there's only three of the legacies left.

BTW, they still transfer passengers to other competitor airlines - it's called an Interline Agreement, and most airlines have it with one another (it also allows for baggage transfer between airlines). However today, they only usually use it in the case of Irregular Operations as an Interline Agreement is the least tied together method of airline cooperation.

If I had to take a guess at your scenario where you got moved to United.....I bet your original flight was oversold and that was an easy way to re-accommodate you without offering compensation. Obviously just a guess.
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Re: JAX/JIA updates
« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2018, 08:59:57 PM »
Inflation adjusted prices might be lower but airplanes today are orders of magnitude more efficient and hold more passengers, plus all the megers were supposed to drive down costs by eliminating overhead.  I don't think that last part worked.  Also, the closest direct flight from Jax is Atlanta.  You used to be able to fly to Tallahassee, Daytona Beach, Savannah, Tampa, and Orlando.  Gotta think the ease of car travel played a huge role there.

Of course, switching to hubs also played a role.

My United example was just an example.  I used to change airlines on a regular basis.
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Re: JAX/JIA updates
« Reply #142 on: November 07, 2018, 08:40:52 AM »
Inflation adjusted prices might be lower but airplanes today are orders of magnitude more efficient and hold more passengers, plus all the megers were supposed to drive down costs by eliminating overhead.  I don't think that last part worked.  Also, the closest direct flight from Jax is Atlanta.  You used to be able to fly to Tallahassee, Daytona Beach, Savannah, Tampa, and Orlando.  Gotta think the ease of car travel played a huge role there.

Of course, switching to hubs also played a role.

My United example was just an example.  I used to change airlines on a regular basis.

In terms of close flights, I think that’s the result of security theatre that we all have to go through. It’s faster and cheaper to drive.

It’s not inflation adjusted pricing. It’s lower forgetting about inflation.

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Re: JAX/JIA updates
« Reply #143 on: November 12, 2018, 11:46:28 AM »
Spirit has doubled their routes announcing JAX to Baltimore and Ft. Lauderdale starting on 2/14/2019.

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« Reply #144 on: November 12, 2018, 02:54:49 PM »
Awesome! Not new routes but always good to have competition. I used to fly BN often between JAX-BWI and the route to South FL is getting pretty crowded now which is nice to see. That should open up a lot of cheap South American and Caribbean destinations from Jax.

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« Reply #145 on: November 12, 2018, 02:57:00 PM »
Just took a look at the airport info and interesting to see that Spirit has announced the new routes before they've even begun service in Jax. Awesome...maybe they'll have even more by the time the first flight takes off lol.

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« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2018, 08:49:48 AM »
Spirit's got even more plans for JAX.  Apparently Kansas City, Vegas, NYC, and Dallas are in the works as well...

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/new-nonstop-flights-coming-to-jacksonville/871610814

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« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2018, 09:05:11 AM »
I think Action News' story is a bit misleading - The link they provide to Spirit's website does highlight destinations such as Las Vegas, New York, Dallas and Kansas City. However, if you click through and try and purchase a fare, it's apparent that these are all connecting flights through one of the four cities Spirit has already announced.