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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #150 on: October 11, 2017, 05:45:21 PM »
True. Last year I drove down to Orlando to take a 2 hour direct flight to Santo Domingo. Although the costs were comparable, if I flew out of Jax, the connecting flights and associated layovers would have stretched the travel time out to 11 hours.
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #151 on: October 12, 2017, 01:55:10 PM »
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I think PHIL could be a dark horse.  Lots of high tech (birthplace of ENIAC, first digital computer and then there is Ben Franklin and his kite :) ) and major urban core research center (University City), robust higher education (I think second only to Boston in number of colleges/universities in the surrounding area with one Ivy League school, multiple medical and engineering schools, top notch liberal arts schools, etc.), great public transit, diverse population, full of culture, big city benefits with easier livability vs. NYC, large metro area, cheaper living than the other major NE urban centers, well connected international airport and nicely in-between NYC, WASH and BOS (via Amtrak high speed Acela WASH-PHL-NYC-BOS corridor).  Also, top tier corporate HQ's including Comcast.  Probably wouldn't hurt politically that at least 3 states (PA, NJ, and DEL) would all benefit from this spot and maybe, also MD.  One thing I believe Amazon might want to factor in is time zones, especially if it plans to grow in Europe.  This could further benefit an East Coast site.

Moody's analysis supports my quote above, picking Philadelphia and Austin as best picks!  I give Philly the nod due to geography and time zones, just like the study does :).

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In a new analysis published Thursday, Moody’s economists Mark Zandi and Adam Ozimek found that Austin, Texas and Philadelphia meets Amazon’s desires for its new HQ best, with Atlanta, Pittsburgh, and Rochester, New York not far behind.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/austin-philadelphia-best-places-amazons-new-headquarters-moodys-says-161422680.html
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Geographic wild card

If the geography category is included, Philadelphia moves from third place to first place and Pittsburgh moves up to second place. The geography category includes distance from Amazon’s existing headquarters as one variable. Arguably, Amazon will want to diversify into a different labor market as much as possible; therefore we award points for metro areas farther away from Amazon’s Seattle headquarters. In addition, we award points to regions based on our subjective assessment of the regional advantages. The Northeast scores the highest because of the access to the economically important Northeast Corridor and the political power center of Washington DC. Finally, this category awards points for the number of Amazon fulfillment centers in the state and distance to Jeff Bezos' closest non-Seattle homes. Taken together, geography helps bring Pennsylvania’s two metro areas to the top of the list.

and more here:
https://www.economy.com/dismal/analysis/commentary/298321/Where-Amazons-Next-Headquarters-Should-Go/
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #152 on: October 12, 2017, 02:27:58 PM »
Rochester?

I do understand it has an outstanding tech-oriented university.  But if airport access is a critical of a piece as we're assuming in dismissing Jacksonville's chances, it seems berserk to consider Rochester a serious candidate.
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #153 on: October 12, 2017, 05:22:05 PM »
Rochester? Who's from that city that also happens to be employed at Moody's?
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #154 on: October 13, 2017, 02:39:03 AM »
Considering the reports that Toronto and Boston have both been discussed heavily by Amazon execs in the last few years, they must certainly be high on the list. I agree about Philly being a great match, and Austin (tech + Whole Foods) and Pittsburgh (tech + two Amazon execs from there) as well.

That said, if it ain't coming to Jax I would personally love to see Baltimore get this.

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2017, 11:38:37 PM »
Toronto and Boston are two of the most expensive cities to do business in North America.  You have to pay more for everything there, salaries, real estate, taxes......   Not sure if that will influence Amazon but you can't pay $50,000 there to anyone but a first year employee.

I like Baltimore too. Could see that getting it.

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #156 on: October 15, 2017, 12:13:41 PM »
Lol, a Georgia city is offering to change its name to Amazon if it's selected...

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Metros go wild in grab for Amazon HQ2

Becoming the home of HQ2, you need to realize, is not just some heavyweight business recruitment event. Nor is it simply, as one newspaper has named it, “the mother of all bidding wars.”

It is a metropolitan anointing.

Already, we see dozens upon dozens of metros on steroids, employing a one-upmanship in marketing muscle, financial preening and political machismo.

We have a bevy of metros that all claim to have established “war rooms” with the sole mission of figuring out the right mojo to convince Amazon to come their way.

Detroit’s war room has some 40 folks around the clock in a quest lead by Quicken Loans founder and city savior Dan Gilbert. “Amazon HQ2 Team Pittsburgh” -- as it has been dubbed -- operates its war room out of office space in Two PNC Plaza Downtown donated by the bank. Even Tulsa’s got one.

Some metros feel obligated to throw their hat into the HQ2 ring even if they are not at their best at the moment. Gary, Ind., says it’s in the game even as it fights Rust Belt fatigue. St. Louis says it should be The One, suggesting to Amazon its arrival would serve as a renaissance to a metro area hard hit by racial tensions.


Tucson gets the early novelty award by sending Bezos the city’s trademark saguaro cactus as a gift. It was returned. But probably not forgotten.

Best yet (or most absurd), a new town born in 2016 and named Stonecrest in the Atlanta suburbs has offered to change its name to Amazon and will pony up 345 free acres for HQ2.

All this and much, much more around the country is viewed with shock, awe and some amusement by Craig Richard, the CEO of Tampa Hillsborough Economic Development Corp. In a salute to Florida’s recent battle with Mother Nature, he calls the race of HQ2 our “Hurricane Amazon.” It’s a Cat 6 event, he said, looking for new ways to grasp its scope.

“This is like putting together a bid for the Super Bowl in three weeks,” Richard said.

Full article: http://www.theledger.com/news/20171015/metros-go-wild-in-grab-for-amazon-hq2
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #157 on: October 15, 2017, 02:21:43 PM »
Losing its soul to gain the whole world...


Lol, a Georgia city is offering to change its name to Amazon if it's selected...

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Metros go wild in grab for Amazon HQ2

Becoming the home of HQ2, you need to realize, is not just some heavyweight business recruitment event. Nor is it simply, as one newspaper has named it, “the mother of all bidding wars.”

It is a metropolitan anointing.

Already, we see dozens upon dozens of metros on steroids, employing a one-upmanship in marketing muscle, financial preening and political machismo.

We have a bevy of metros that all claim to have established “war rooms” with the sole mission of figuring out the right mojo to convince Amazon to come their way.

Detroit’s war room has some 40 folks around the clock in a quest lead by Quicken Loans founder and city savior Dan Gilbert. “Amazon HQ2 Team Pittsburgh” -- as it has been dubbed -- operates its war room out of office space in Two PNC Plaza Downtown donated by the bank. Even Tulsa’s got one.

Some metros feel obligated to throw their hat into the HQ2 ring even if they are not at their best at the moment. Gary, Ind., says it’s in the game even as it fights Rust Belt fatigue. St. Louis says it should be The One, suggesting to Amazon its arrival would serve as a renaissance to a metro area hard hit by racial tensions.


Tucson gets the early novelty award by sending Bezos the city’s trademark saguaro cactus as a gift. It was returned. But probably not forgotten.

Best yet (or most absurd), a new town born in 2016 and named Stonecrest in the Atlanta suburbs has offered to change its name to Amazon and will pony up 345 free acres for HQ2.

All this and much, much more around the country is viewed with shock, awe and some amusement by Craig Richard, the CEO of Tampa Hillsborough Economic Development Corp. In a salute to Florida’s recent battle with Mother Nature, he calls the race of HQ2 our “Hurricane Amazon.” It’s a Cat 6 event, he said, looking for new ways to grasp its scope.

“This is like putting together a bid for the Super Bowl in three weeks,” Richard said.

Full article: http://www.theledger.com/news/20171015/metros-go-wild-in-grab-for-amazon-hq2

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #158 on: October 15, 2017, 07:04:56 PM »
For a Maryland perspective on chances for Baltimore (light rail and direct highway access to vibrant airport, nearby urban core and high caliber universities) see a Washington Post article in Sunday's edition (Metro section). Authors Christopher Summers and Stephen J. K. Walters suggest tax concessions combined with a waiting campus (final completion in 2019) being finalized by Under Armour's Kevin Plank present a legitimate possibility. For those of you watching closely....I have no prediction.

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #159 on: October 16, 2017, 09:41:00 AM »
This whole thing seems ridiculous. Why does Amazon even need an "HQ2" with 50,000 employees? 

Walmart employs 18,000 people at their headquarters in Bentonville with a revenue of $486 Billion and Amazon needs a second headquarters with 50,000 people to sell crap online? Their revenue is only $136 Billion and what Walmart does is definitely more difficult.

Oh yeah, and now that Walmart plans to ramp up online sales Amazon better watch out.

It just seems unrealistic to me. I think Amazon likes to stay in the news and this has everyone talking about how fast they are growing and how they will dominate the market.
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #160 on: October 16, 2017, 10:57:00 AM »
This whole thing seems ridiculous. Why does Amazon even need an "HQ2" with 50,000 employees? 

Walmart employs 18,000 people at their headquarters in Bentonville with a revenue of $486 Billion and Amazon needs a second headquarters with 50,000 people to sell crap online? Their revenue is only $136 Billion and what Walmart does is definitely more difficult.

Oh yeah, and now that Walmart plans to ramp up online sales Amazon better watch out.

It just seems unrealistic to me. I think Amazon likes to stay in the news and this has everyone talking about how fast they are growing and how they will dominate the market.
Amazon is way more than just an e-store front.

The own Audible, Twitch, Whole Foods, have one of the largest data center solutions on Earth, Kindle tablets and services, Music, Video, production studios....and on and on.

Wal-mart is a small operation compared to the breadth of Amazon.

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #161 on: October 16, 2017, 12:15:08 PM »
Looks like some cities may realize the futility of running in this "horse race."  San Antonio has withdrawn, apparently not willing to sell itself out with unaffordable incentives.

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San Antonio's economic development leaders explored a potential bid to attempt to woo Amazon's second headquarters, but have decided not to submit the paperwork that's due on Oct. 19, officials confirmed to the Business Journal.

Amazon.com Inc. put out an open call for cities across North America to pitch the technology giant, economic incentive packages in hand, in an open request for proposals last month. The Seattle-based company seeks to bring 50,000 new jobs to the market it chooses for its so-called HQ2.

“After mobilizing our project team of private and public-sector partners, we conducted a robust review as part of our regular proposal development process," Erica Hurtak, spokeswoman for the San Antonio Economic Development Foundation, said in a statement.

Hurtak touted San Antonio's quality of life, affordable housing and current workforce.

"But we can always get better. We determined that as aspirational as we are about our community’s potential, we simply wouldn’t be highly competitive from a real estate and incentives perspective," Hurtak said.

Mayor Ron Nirenberg and Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff also penned an open letter to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos. For a full copy of the letter click here.

"As aspirational and confident as we are about our community, we're not submitting a formal proposal," the letter said. "It's hard to imagine that a forward-thinking company like Amazon hasn't already selected its preferred location … blindly giving away the farm isn't our style."

Suggestion that San Antonio would be pulling out of a potential bid for Amazon was first reported by the San Antonio Express-News.

The announcement comes just after Senators Ted Cruz and John Cornyn wrote an open letter to Bezos pitching Texas — though not a particular city — for the new HQ2.

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2017/10/12/san-antonio-pulls-out-of-pursuit-of-amazons-new.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #162 on: October 16, 2017, 02:24:40 PM »
"Wal-mart is a small operation compared to the breadth of Amazon."

You got that wrong.

With $482 billion in revenue, Wal-Mart sells more than Apple, Amazon and Microsoft put together, according to Fortune's annual ranking of companies by revenue, released yesterday (June 6 2016). It's bigger than the No. 2 company, Exxon Mobil, and No. 3, Apple, combined. Its sales are greater than the GDP of Poland.

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #163 on: October 16, 2017, 03:43:22 PM »
This whole thing seems ridiculous. Why does Amazon even need an "HQ2" with 50,000 employees? 

Walmart employs 18,000 people at their headquarters in Bentonville with a revenue of $486 Billion and Amazon needs a second headquarters with 50,000 people to sell crap online? Their revenue is only $136 Billion and what Walmart does is definitely more difficult.

Oh yeah, and now that Walmart plans to ramp up online sales Amazon better watch out.

It just seems unrealistic to me. I think Amazon likes to stay in the news and this has everyone talking about how fast they are growing and how they will dominate the market.

Clearly you have no concept of what it takes to run an e-commerce operation. Fanatics employs hundreds of people at their corporate headquarters in Jacksonville, and they do less than 1 1/100th of the revenue of Amazon at $1b annually. It actually takes quite a lot of people to sell crap online.

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Re: Amazon $5 bil co-HQ's in play
« Reply #164 on: October 16, 2017, 03:54:48 PM »
"Wal-mart is a small operation compared to the breadth of Amazon."

You got that wrong.

With $482 billion in revenue, Wal-Mart sells more than Apple, Amazon and Microsoft put together, according to Fortune's annual ranking of companies by revenue, released yesterday (June 6 2016). It's bigger than the No. 2 company, Exxon Mobil, and No. 3, Apple, combined. Its sales are greater than the GDP of Poland.
I said breadth, Music man.  Not revenue. 

Wal-mart is a very narrow company for its size.  Its overwhelming focus is on its retail stores.  Amazon has an incredibly wide scope of business from e-commerce, data centers, cloud computing, music/movie streaming, Whole Foods, Twitch, Kindle, Audible, etc.....